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If You’re a Moocher, Common Sense Should Tell You Not to Kill all the Producers
Townhall.com ^ | January 14, 2013 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 01/14/2013 4:50:06 AM PST by Kaslin

I have a serious question for readers. What’s worse, bailouts for government or bailouts for the private sector?

Yes, both are bad, but is it worse to bail out a bankrupt entitlement program, such as Social Security, or it is worse to bail out an industry, such as the financial sector?

Bailout gravy train cartoon

To bail out the housing sector, or to bail out Medicare? Fannie and Freddie, or GM and Chrysler?

All these examples involve huge amounts of money, and both private-sector and public-sector bailouts have perverse long-run effects, but which is worse?

And don’t forget there are lots of other bailouts in our future, as discussed on this interview for Fox Business News.

The interview took place before Christmas, but the topic is even more relevant today since the budget season is about to begin.

Most of the discussion was about government agencies and programs that may get more handouts, though bailouts for the Federal Housing Administration and the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation would be indirect bailouts for big business and housing.

So we’d get the worst of all worlds, more government spending and more cronyism.

Or, as they call it in Washington, a win-win situation.

But I call it legal corruption.

If You’re a Moocher, Common Sense Should Tell You Not to Kill all the Producers

Every so often, I try to appeal to statists by explaining to them that it’s not in their self interest to steal too much.

Why? Because if you kill off the geese that lay the golden eggs, what will you do tomorrow when nobody is left to produce?

Heck, even the former leftist President of Brazil understood that there can’t be any redistribution if there’s no production.

I’ve made this point by sharing a very clever cartoon. I’ve made this point on television. And I’ve tried to explain it using simple analysis.

I’m not sure I’ve been overly successful, but perhaps this Chuck Asay cartoon will help get the point across.

Free Market Extinction Cartoon

The cartoon is akin to the fable of the ant and the grasshopper. But the “modern” version of the story, featuring coerced redistribution that causes the ant to no longer be productive.

Heck, it’s also what we see in the PC version of The Little Red Hen. And the same theme can be found in the amusing anecdote that uses beer to explain the corrosive impact of a “progressive” tax system.

The moral of the story – in every case – is that you shouldn’t be too greedy if you’re living off others.

In my speeches, I often joke that a tick or a flea is in trouble if it’s feasting on a dog that dies. Well, on  a more serious note, this can happen to countries. Greece is in deep trouble because there are too many people riding in the wagon and not enough people pulling the wagon.

We’re not there yet, but I don’t like the trend.


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1 posted on 01/14/2013 4:50:07 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I am now being called a “Moocher” because I expect the government to return some of the Social Security deductions they withheld from my paycheck for fifty-four years?
2 posted on 01/14/2013 5:02:25 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Kaslin
I am now being called a “Moocher” because I expect the government to return some of the Social Security deductions they withheld from my paycheck for over fifty-four years?
3 posted on 01/14/2013 5:02:54 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DJ Taylor

I am now being called a “Moocher” because I expect the government to return some of the Social Security deductions they withheld from my paycheck for fifty-four years?
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Yes, these fools sure have their priorities in order don’t they?
Remember when B Clinton stated that it didn’t make a difference, be you a Military Retiree, a food stamp recipient, a welfare recipient, a Govt Retiree, on SS, the ‘common denominator’ was it was a GOVT WRITTEN CHECK, thus no difference.... Of course he also said that those of us that ‘joined’ the Navy/USMC/USAF when there was a draft, were avoiding the draft, so how could we accuse him.

While each statement - in conclusion - is technically correct, his reasoning is definitely flawed....

Also, Chris Rock had a routine a while back where his father used to take him down to Wall Street and tell him to ‘thank’ the workers for keeping him in food and clothes - he also said Never Rob these people, in fact make sure they get back and forth to the subway daily so they can continue working.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 5:11:41 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: DJ Taylor

according to some on this site... yes.

i have been contributing to socialist security for over 40 years now, and am being told I am greedy for wanting what I paid into...

hell, i even told these people that are calling me greedy, that you can give me back what I paid in, and keep the employer match..

no, I am still greedy and stealing from future generations..

these future generations want to steal what is mine, what I paid into for 40 years, and THEY are calling ME greedy..

generational theft is right... the upcoming generations want to steal from me, what I worked for and what I paid for...

screw ‘em


5 posted on 01/14/2013 5:13:11 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Kaslin
Which is worse, bail out government gimme programs or private industry?

Which is worse, eating a force fed hot s### sandwich or a force fed cold s### sandwich?

6 posted on 01/14/2013 5:15:40 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: xrmusn

“If You’re a Moocher, Common Sense Should Tell You Not to Kill all the Producers”

Forget the people who paid into the system their entire lives. Forget those who bled for their country. This is addressed to those 47% who lie on their couches and collect.

You are not a moocher. You are a parasite and once you destroy your host, there is nowhere left to turn, because America is the last hope for all humanity.


7 posted on 01/14/2013 5:16:26 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: Graybeard58
Which is worse, bail out government gimme programs or private industry?

Which is worse, eating a force fed hot s### sandwich or a force fed cold s### sandwich?

P.S. I do not believe that S.S. is a "gimme program", S.S.I. is.

8 posted on 01/14/2013 5:19:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Kaslin

They are too ignorant to even know where their food comes from. Welfare recipients believe that TheMan is taking more from their government treasure chest than they are allowed to take. SO- they are celebrating now, because they are getting more from the special treasure chest.

We don’t have a gun problem in this country- we have a crack problem and an IQ problem.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 5:22:56 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: DJ Taylor

Not that I would call someone expecting their monthly Social Security check a “moocher”, but do you really believe there’s a 1-to-1 ratio between what you will receive versus what you paid in?


10 posted on 01/14/2013 5:34:21 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Kaslin

Parasites kill. Who is John Galt?


11 posted on 01/14/2013 5:35:54 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Kaslin

To quote Frank Herbert from one of the Dune books, “Too long a parasite, and you cannot live without the host.”


12 posted on 01/14/2013 5:41:49 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Kaslin

” But I want it NOW!!”


13 posted on 01/14/2013 5:46:03 AM PST by jughandle
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To: DJ Taylor

I am happy that some of my tax dollars can make their way to folks like you.Work for 54 years,you deserve every penny you get.


14 posted on 01/14/2013 5:46:54 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean
Work for 54 years,you deserve every penny you get.

Exactly!

No one who has paid into the system is a 'moocher'.

Most people's issue is with indiscriminate breeders who want someone else to be responsible for their spawn, people who go further with screwing the 'system' by having the kids act like they have issues to get even MORE money, a government that helps people who shouldn't even GET money to stick their hand in the cookie jar, and people generally think their owed something because they were born with health issues, physiological issues, had bad parenting......etc.

15 posted on 01/14/2013 5:56:29 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: Common Sense 101
Not that I would call someone expecting their monthly Social Security check a “moocher”, but do you really believe there’s a 1-to-1 ratio between what you will receive versus what you paid in?

Actually, if you had been allowed to invest the amount withhel and matched (after all if your employer did not have to make that payment it would have been apid in wages to you) over the last 40 years you would have enough to live on comfortably.

16 posted on 01/14/2013 6:00:06 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: joe fonebone
I turn 66 in April and I am damned sure going to apply for the Social Security that I am entitled and have been forcibly contributing to since 1964!

Now, if I could have taken that money and invested it myself starting in 1964, I wouldn't be working 40+ hours a week now, either!

17 posted on 01/14/2013 6:08:44 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: joe fonebone
generational theft is right... the upcoming generations want to steal from me, what I worked for and what I paid for...

I watched a movie yesterday, "21" -- which tells the tale of a group of (maybe MIT) students, who were taught by their professor, how to count cards while playing blackjack.

Long story short, the security at one of the casinos caught on to them, and ran them out of town. One of the students was physically beaten pretty badly, but made a deal with the security team that would turn over their professor.

In the deal, the students made a good deal of money playing their last hands of blackjack--which they were promised they could keep--but it was eventually taken back from them by the security "enforcer," played by Lawrence Fishburn. He told the lead student something to the effect of, "I don't get a pension with my job, so I need this money...but you're smart, you'll always find a way to succeed..."

I thought to myself, isn't that the epitome of the Moocher's Creed? Declaring a "need" from the successful, and then appeasing that successful person by saying, "it's OK, you'll figure out a way because you're smart" or, you're a hard worker...keep doing what you're doing, and we'll keep imposing our needs on you."

18 posted on 01/14/2013 6:19:58 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Kaslin

Since when do MOOCHERS and COMMON SENSE belong in the same sentence?


19 posted on 01/14/2013 6:22:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Common Sense 101
"1 to 1"

That's a false analogy. The people who have paid in to SS had no control over their money being taken. They were all victims of a vast Ponzi scheme with no choice other than to leave the country. The money that went to ss could have been put in a different fund which might have made the donor a lot more money than what they're receiving in ss payments.

20 posted on 01/14/2013 6:26:16 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Lou L

OK... I’m intrigued...

please explain


21 posted on 01/14/2013 6:32:21 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: DJ Taylor

Friend, the money you paid in the past is irrelevant to whether or not you’ll get anything back.

Right now the money you get is taken from somebody else who earned it, along with people who will be told to earn it in the future

This is true for anyone who gets a government check.

Nothing else matters.

You do not deserve other people’s money.

Your time to complain was when you were paying. Now that you are collecting a better strategy for you and other folks that get checks is to be nice to taxpayers, who are on the verge of dropping out of the tax base in increasing (worrisome) numbers.

Try being grateful for what other people give you. That the folks that took your money in the past were ungrateful is no reason for you to be rude and disrespectful to those who pay you today.

Those are the uncomfortable facts, my friend. You should get comfortable with them, or you’ll be making it all too easy for folks to feel good about cutting you off from their money.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 6:32:34 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Kaslin

It’s not the parasites who are to blame. It’s the enablers. And it’s hard to take people seriously in their condemnation of the government, when they keep on meekly sending it money.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 6:32:56 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: joe fonebone

“screw ‘em”

There is a good chance they’ll tell you the same thing.

Where will that leave you?


24 posted on 01/14/2013 6:33:44 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
What happens when 50 million people who depend on food handouts are turned away, due to "reality" rearing it's ugly head?


25 posted on 01/14/2013 6:37:49 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MamaTexan

“No one who has paid into the system is a ‘moocher’.”

Ma’am, everyone who collects today, collects from folks who earn it today (and tomorrow too). That’s just a fact.

The money paid out by folks in the past was squandered and spent by ungrateful benefit collectors and government.

Today your attitude will enslave, starve, and leave penniless an entire generation. They won’t allow it, I guarantee you.

You need to understand that the money you collect is not yours - it belongs to someone else who (for now) willingly allows you to have it.

This is true of every penny of every check written to every person who gets one from the government. No matter why they get it, or how noble or ignoble the cause.

We are broke.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 6:39:46 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Travis McGee

Where was this taken? I actually have sympathy for these people. They have been so lied to and used, by the democrats and the liberals.

Are they starving? Are they dying of thirst?


27 posted on 01/14/2013 6:41:54 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: driftless2

“The people who have paid in to SS had no control over their money being taken.”

The time to complain about past funds paid is long past. Today we do not have the money to pay everyone everything they have been told to expect.

The money folks get today is not theirs, it is earned by someone else today, or in the future (debt).


28 posted on 01/14/2013 6:42:46 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: McGavin999

Don’t disagree with you at all... just saying that what you will ultimately receive is more than you paid in.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 6:44:30 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: joe fonebone
"these future generations want to steal what is mine, what I paid into for 40 years, "

the thing is we don't want to steal what's yours. you have been good and paid into the SS, but the govt either misused your money or just bungled it up.

SS is a pyramid scheme -- the future pays for the past. The problem is that there are less producers now -- the baby boomer generation is the largest, so there will be less people paying into SS

ergo, that system will go bankrupt sooner or later.

30 posted on 01/14/2013 6:45:09 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: Travis McGee

“What happens when 50 million people who depend on food handouts are turned away, due to “reality” rearing it’s ugly head?”

Coming from you, I know this is a rhetorical question.

The best thing to do today is for local communities to figure out how they are going to house, feed, and care for the elderly when the checks stop.

The EBT’ers will have to be dealt with too. Unfortunately they are not used to working to feed themselves and in all likelihood will continue to ‘take’ until they can take no more.


31 posted on 01/14/2013 6:48:07 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

Yes, it’s time to reform SS something George W. Bush tried to do in 2004 with no little or no support from congressional Republicans and total stonewalling from Democrats. Let young people starting out now or under 30 be allowed to choose where to put their money in funds other than ss. But don’t penalize people who through their long working lives had no choice.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 6:49:37 AM PST by driftless2
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To: RFEngineer

That would leave me a victim of generational theft brought about by the greedy...

Perhaps it is time to take the discussion away from those that are and did pay, and turn it to those that did not and do not pay...

socialist security needs to be phased out, but to cut off those that paid into it and say “Sorry pal” would take an entire generation and turn them out into the streets ( not an exaggeration, but a for real thing ) because a whole host of people did not prepare, but spent all they had banking on s.s.

I find that way of thinking irresponsible at best, but this is the fact..

It needs to be phased out over time, and it can be done without creating a generation of people that spent their lives working, only to be put out onto the streets..

here is a starting point..

1) all benefits, present and projected, are frozen, no cola, no raises, just frozen...

2) People aged 50 and up will recieve all frozen benefits, but will have their s.s. taxes jacked up..and the reason for this is simply a lack of time to save enough to replace the s.s. income they paid into for over 40 years..

3) people 40 to 50 would see a slight increase in their s.s. taxes, and would recieved reduced benefits. The monetary “penalty” would be offset with larger tax advantages for saving and contributions to IRA/401K plans. They still have a fair amount of time to recover and plan.

4) people 30 to 40 would pay the same rate they do now, with even greater tax advantages for contributing to retirement..they would get a greatly reduced amount from s.s.

5) people 20 to 30 would pay a greatly lesser amount, and would get no s.s..... but they will get a very large tax advantage for contributing to retirement

6) people under 20, will contribute nothing, and will not get the “superduper” tax advantage.

this is my starting point. What do you think?


33 posted on 01/14/2013 6:50:27 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: tbw2
from God Emperor of the dunes You see it repeated in the systems of slavery, of welfare states, of caste-ridden religions, of socializing bureaucracies-in any system which creates and maintains dependencies. Too long a parasite and you cannot exist without a host.
34 posted on 01/14/2013 6:51:20 AM PST by Cronos (Middle English prest, priest, Old English pruost, Late Latin presbyter, Latin presbuteros)
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To: RFEngineer

The men who threw the Boston Tea Party did not “own” the tea, either. Would you have discouraged them?

Today, lines are being drawn. The Tea Party vs. the EBT Party. Pick a side.


35 posted on 01/14/2013 6:57:00 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: RFEngineer

“Your time to complain was when you were paying.”

I have been complaining for over 35 years and my voting record and constant barrage of communication to my elected officials reflects it, sadly I and many others were ignored for the “greater good”.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 7:03:19 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: joe fonebone

You have some interesting ideas, but first and foremost is effectively communicating to everyone that “we’re broke” and that there is no way everything is going to be paid as they may expect.

We haven’t even come close to that hurdle, so that makes all the suggestions you make, prudent or not, irrelevant.

If here, on a supposed conservative internet site we cannot convince people of the fiscal reality that is before us, how are we ever going to convince a wider, likely less reasonable group of people that they aren’t going to get “theirs”

The political reality is that nobody is going to suffer a cut until everyone suffers a drastic cut.

The GOP isn’t going to do it, the Democrats would never think about it, given that the Tea Party was initially a response to Obamacare impact to Medicare - not about the true fiscal situation we face, I’m not optimistic about a government solution, when this is a problem borne of government “solutions”.

The truth is all that matters. Money you get today comes from somebody who must earn it today and tomorrow - and who is not going to have a government check waiting for them like people today have.

What would be a rational response for them? Pay and hope?


37 posted on 01/14/2013 7:07:08 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: driftless2

“But don’t penalize people who through their long working lives had no choice.”

Understand, I do not wish to “punish” anyone.

However the fiscal reality is cold and cruel, and will leave those with expectations of a check from government, and endless medicare until death wondering how this can happen.

We can’t even convince people who are otherwise open to debate here on FR that we are broke. How can we convince those with less capacity to understand the magnitude of the problem and that “their” needs aren’t going to be met by someone else who must provide for themselves first?


38 posted on 01/14/2013 7:11:17 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Kaslin

Moochers have no common sense.

The typical example is the virus. Virusus that quickly kill the host, fail to replicate and by natural selection, are few and far between in the wild. Yet they still exist.

Now in societies, mouchers with no common sense also quickly kill the host and those societies die out.

But it is only by mathematical natural selection that mouchers don’t kill the host.

This is a well established fact in the population dynamics regarding parasites and bacteria.

I suspect if anyone did a study on humans, the result would be the same.


39 posted on 01/14/2013 7:13:19 AM PST by staytrue
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To: HomeAtLast

“The men who threw the Boston Tea Party did not “own” the tea, either. Would you have discouraged them?”

If we had a “Boston Tea Party” today, no government check recipient would ever get another dime because government would not have the money for anything but basic constitutional tasks.

We are headed there one way or another. There is no end to the lamentations of those who want “their” money from government.

We can no longer pay.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 7:16:18 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Resolute Conservative

“I have been complaining for over 35 years and my voting record and constant barrage of communication to my elected officials reflects it, sadly I and many others were ignored for the “greater good”.”

At age 11 my father explained to me how this would happen to SS. I understood.

Unfortunately, we who lived without expectation of government support will be greeted with the same callous disregard as those who “need” “their” check.


41 posted on 01/14/2013 7:21:50 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: MamaTexan

“No one who has paid into the system is a ‘moocher’.”

What if you take more out than you put in?


42 posted on 01/14/2013 7:33:57 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: driftless2

“The people who have paid in to SS had no control over their money being taken. They were all victims of a vast Ponzi scheme with no choice other than to leave the country.”

Really? Just helpless victims? Couldn’t vote to change that system or rebel to get rid of it? Just kick the can down the road?


43 posted on 01/14/2013 7:35:32 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: RFEngineer
Ma’am, everyone who collects today, collects from folks who earn it today (and tomorrow too). That’s just a fact.

I am well aware of how it all works, thank you.

While I agree with your assertions, berating oneself and feeling guilty over the Ponzai scheme instituted by the feral federal government GENERATIONS before most of us were even born and in which our 'voluntary' participation is forced by legal intimidation, is, IMHO, a totally non-productive endeavor.

Unless you're just into self-flagellation.

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The lecture on your part may have been with the best intentions, but in the interest of putting-your-money-where-your-mouth-is......

What would be your solution to them problem of a system you can't get rid of yet are forced to contribute to? Pay into they system but never collect from it?

44 posted on 01/14/2013 7:52:39 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: MamaTexan

” The lecture on your part may have been with the best intentions, but in the interest of putting-your-money-where-your-mouth-is......

What would be your solution to them problem of a system you can’t get rid of yet are forced to contribute to? Pay into they system but never collect from it? “

First of all, the “system” is not a “system” it’s a tax that’s called something else but it’s just a tax.

The solution I prefer is that we pare down all the expenses of government and entitlements until we no longer spend more than we have - and then some so that we start paying off the debt.

That is ultimately the only reasonable solution. But government is not reasonable. The solution Government has in store for us will take one of two forms: 1. Default on Debt, or 2. Hyperinflate. Either of those will be a defacto end to “benefits as we know them”

This is not about resentment, or self-flagellation, or feeling guilty. It’s about numbers that don’t add up - and coldly and cruelly set expectations towards reality.

So I’m not really lecturing per se, I’m stating facts as I see them - they may not be exactly correct, but one may not always guess the exact size of the tsunami before it engulfs you - but that doesn’t mean it isn’t in front of us

So what’s your solution, other than restating the problem again?


45 posted on 01/14/2013 8:01:56 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: CodeToad
What if you take more out than you put in?

LOL! With the creative government bookkeeping, how would we even know?

My statement was directed at those who feel guilt over taking from a system they were forced to contribute to, not to imply that I had all the answers to equalize an inherently inequitable system.

46 posted on 01/14/2013 8:12:31 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: DJ Taylor

***I am now being called a “Moocher”****

The SS program was set up to be self sufficient. Here is what was said back in 1964.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssa/usa1964-2.html

Self-Supporting

“The program is designed so that contributions plus interest on the investments of the social security trust funds will be sufficient to meet all of the costs of benefits and administration, now and into the indefinite future—without any subsidy from the general funds of the Government.

Both the Congress and the Executive Branch, regardless of political party in power, have scrupulously provided in advance for full financing of all liberalizations in the program.”

And here is where the money went. Read and weep.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html#n4


47 posted on 01/14/2013 8:15:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: RFEngineer
First of all, the “system” is not a “system” it’s a tax that’s called something else but it’s just a tax.

Which I am aware of.... but that wasn't the question I asked.

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The solution I prefer is that we pare down all the expenses of government and entitlements until we no longer spend more than we have - and then some so that we start paying off the debt.

Again, I agree and see the problem as you do.

While the long-term [and preferable] solution would be to get the government OUT of the charity business, I wasn't speaking of what should happen or may happen, but what IS happening.

Since government obviously WILL NOT restrain itself and manages to either publicly vilify or legally punish anyone who even attempts TO restrain it.....

I say anyone who 'contributed' into it should feel NO GUILT from taking from it.

And may we all continue to do so until the entire thing collapses under its own putrid weight.

48 posted on 01/14/2013 8:28:46 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

The 2 biggest parasites of all in the USA are Michelle & Barack Obama.


49 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:50 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: RFEngineer
I'll accept your argument - AFTER all illegals lose all benefits, after all baby mommas lose all benefits, after all other parasites, not including the truly disabled, are weaned off the system.

They've been taking MY money for 45 years.

Once that stops, we'll talk about how to deal with past politicians corruption - like selling off the vast territories that fedgov owns.

50 posted on 01/14/2013 9:17:13 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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