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1 posted on 01/15/2013 4:27:17 AM PST by Kaslin
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I believe the only way to end this mess...is a constitutional amendment to require a balanced budget, with no options out for the President, or the Congress. When you ask for lesser qualified leadership, and the candidate-winner doesn’t know what a budget is....you, the voter, are really the cause of the mess to start with.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 4:31:06 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Kaslin

An excellent piece.

The message We the People need to send to those who are supposed to be representing us, loud and clear, is “It’s the unconstitutional spending, stupid!”


6 posted on 01/15/2013 4:47:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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(Article) As Brooks explains:

“Ultimately, we should blame the American voters. The average Medicare couple pays $109,000 into the program and gets $343,000 in benefits out, according to the Urban Institute. This is $234,000 in free money. "

Brooks is a) repeating Obama talking points (no doubt with a NYT editor at his desk, pointing a gun at his head) and b) being dishonest. Brooks is comparing undiscounted 1965 and 1975 dollars to current dollars, which are worth about 1/4 as much, or less.

And Brooks and Mohler both know that this situation was deliberately created by Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson bribing voters to vote Democrat, using government money to do it, but neither one of them is telling it like it happened.

7 posted on 01/15/2013 4:57:58 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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And this does NOT include the tax increase the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF and the COMMUNISTS just put on ALL of us.
11 posted on 01/15/2013 5:17:49 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Kaslin; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale; ...
RE :”How did this happen? Congress approved the spending, as did the President. The spending, which necessitated the borrowing, was approved by the very people who will not debate whether to pay the bills they themselves created.
Federal law requires Congress to establish a limit to national borrowing, but the U. S. Constitution requires the government to pay its debts. The debt limit requirement is merely a matter of law. The pledge to pay the nation’s debt is a mandate of the Constitution. The debt ceiling is now a political abstraction, used by both parties to create a pseudo-event.
Conservatives should be particularly unwilling to participate in such a charade, and yet many do so, thinking they can use the pseudo-event to their advantage. It is a losing game, dishonest politics, and a failure of governance.
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Conservatives should point out that the Constitution demands the nation pay its debts, and that Congress and the President must take responsibility for the spending — and the massive borrowing — their actions mandate. Conservatives should point to the real crisis, stand on principle, and refuse to distract themselves and the American people with false crises and pseudo-events.”

I never lost money betting that this GOP would fail. But let me try once again:

Now that the R House has made an issue out of the debt ceiling and got O and Dems to focus their rhetoric on that, they should be less predictable and pass a short term debt ceiling but make the upcoming CR bill the issue using all the words O_Dems used against them:

1) Obama said congress forced him to spend that money
2) Obama said many times that Republicans should go after spending and not ‘default on out obligations’

Assemble videos of these compiled clips, post to youtube, get on all the TV shows with a hand viewer (I phone or I pad) if necessary and play them to illustrate the point.

How come Rs are not on TV pointing out that Dems say that entitlements will be cut unless more debt is authorized? Dont Dems claim over and over that those same entitlements are solvent for another 15 to 20 years? So pay them with the 'trust fund' instead of new debt LOL. My real point is to use this as a teaching moment, like O always does to beat Rs.

Beating O takes more than tough talk, a few symbolic 'No's and then caving again.

12 posted on 01/15/2013 5:26:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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The way you win arguments is with facts. You have to keep hitting the facts, over, and over, and over again, and force the opposition to address them.

In the case of the budget, the GOP should be presenting the argument in the form of ‘questions’ for the Democrats.

“Is there a limit to the amount of government spending that we can sustain? If not, why? If so, what is that limit?”

“Can we tax our way out of our deficit and cumulative national debt? If so, show the numbers and how that works, and explain why you think that level of taxation will not disincentivize significant segments of the economy? If not, then what is the point of making tax rates the number one focus of budgetary debate?”

“What industries are driving the American economy, and what are we doing to encourage their growth?” If we are instead discouraging their growth, why are we doing that?”

The list is a long one, but each and every one of the relevant questions should be accompanied by succinct numbers, calculations, and charts. You don't argue with liberals without the facts in hand, and you have to argue with them publicly. The goal is to make them look to the public like the liars and head in the sand ideologues that they are. This is what Romney did to ‘the one’ in that first debate. I totally disagree with the premise that the public’s eyes glaze over and they don't pay attention when numbers are thrown out there. If that happens, you're not presenting the data compellingly enough. IMHO.

14 posted on 01/15/2013 5:37:33 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Kaslin
I have (cough) every confidence (cough, cough) that the Republicans (gag) will do the right thing (cough, gag, choke).
16 posted on 01/15/2013 6:09:21 AM PST by celmak
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Republicans need to flood the airways with advertising against saddling future generations with debt. Perhaps the amount of our current debt, then a line in the sand for those who are visual learners. Loud, emphatic noises for the audio, and crying babies for the kinesthetic.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 6:40:36 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Kaslin

Bump


18 posted on 01/15/2013 6:55:22 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Kaslin
The author of this essay has in engaged in circular, Catch-22 reasoning.

He claims Republicans share the blame for creating our most recent debts because they voted for a Continuing Resolution of the previous budget.

Think about that for a second.

If Republicans had voted “NO” on that budget, the government would have literally shut down.

Republicans would have been blamed - 100% - for that crisis.

So, according to the author, there is NO morally acceptable or Constitutional way for Republicans to cut spending!

20 posted on 01/15/2013 12:48:28 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: Kaslin
From the article: "Otherwise the United States will default on its debt."

This red herring needs to stop being promulgated.

36 posted on 01/16/2013 6:44:55 AM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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