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To: ArmstedFragg; Lancey Howard; Olog-hai; shelterguy; AngelesCrestHighway; SeekAndFind; Impy; ...
RE :”We’re playing this game now where we let him set the terms of the debate, then respond to it which, in turn, validates the original lie he floated. Responding to things like “I’m not going to let them blackmail me” with something along the lines of “The President seems to be having problems with imaginary people again...”

Back in November on the tax cut standoff I saw the handwriting on the wall and started posting that Rs were making a huge mistake that defining a partial tax cut extension as tax increase (in rhetoric) total cave and that in the end Bohner will just pass an tax extension with Dems votes, and of course the wailing would hit a peak about it.

Well relative to your point I see the same thing happening again as I watch Republicans and Obama debate this on TV(just tonight) , Obama is saying that Rs are willing to blow up the economy for political purposes, but Republicans are on TV almost agreeing, saying that yes they will hold up the debt limit and/or shutdown the government to force Dems to go along with cutting spending.

Rs have tried this line of Rhetoric many times and it always failed them, if they want to achieve what they claim they need to convince most voters that it is Obama rejecting a debt limit extension and shutting down the government, while sending Dems bills on those they cant accept. Saying up front that it is your goal is sure to backfire in the end, as it always has.
Obama is saying he wont negotiate and we don't see one R taking advantage of that.

This line of rhetoric probably works great in R only (designed) House districts, but it will still end up with the same result as always with Bohner and McConnell still passing a bill with Dem votes simply because their 'team' was beat again by O by not understanding the rules of the game.

25 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:25 PM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: sickoflibs

Brooks is fos. My wife and I both worked about 47 years thus far. Based on what we will have paid in and what we will collect we are projected to have paid in almost 100k more for Medicare and SS than we will collect in present dollars. But, and this is a big ass but, that is only true if we collect those benefits for 20 years after retirement. My family just doesn’t have a long lifeline so once again I get to fund the lard asses that can work but won’t even when I’m dead.


26 posted on 01/15/2013 8:42:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: sickoflibs

The Republicans’ biggest problem is the wimp factor again. They simply do not have enough people with balls, and NOBODY in leadership with balls. The GOP better find somebody who is up to the task of ridiculing, belittling, and smacking down the African communist scumbag, mercilessly and relentlessly, and they better find somebody fast.

Can you imagine how quickly conservatives would rush to get such a leader’s back? Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, McConnell, etc., are not up to the task. Just today, Boehner watched the House pass the pork-laden Sandy slush-fund bill with mostly rat votes! Good grief! We are watching the Republican party die, right before our eyes.

Of course, maybe that’s a good thing. ...Depending on what rises from the ashes.


28 posted on 01/15/2013 9:08:14 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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