Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
Apparently many alternative news pundits and Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists are still fixated on the idea that a man named Christopher Rodia was the REAL owner of the black Honda Civic that has been identified as the car of Adam Lanza’s mother and which was found outside the Sandy Hook elementary school.
The basis for this erroneous belief is police scanner audio that was picked up from the morning of Dec. 14th and details Connecticut State Police response to the massacre.
I obtained the original audio files from Radioreference.com. I had to pay a small sum for the full files. I have listened to them, and it is pretty clear that it is rather unlikely that the aforementioned Christopher Rodia had anything to do with the Sandy Hook massacre, even if his name and DOB is mentioned in the audio. This doesn’t seem to dissuade the conspiracy nuts though. In fact, it just makes them even nuttier.
What so many of these nutty people have apparently missed is the fact that the audio files clearly contain police communications about MORE than just the Sandy Hook event.
In the audio streams there are several communications from Connecticut State police who are clearly not involved in the response to Sandy Hook and are just out there doing their ‘normal’ jobs of stopping people for no reason and catching speeding drivers.
The Connecticut State police scanner audio from the morning of Dec. 14th 2012, as provided by Radioreference.com, begins at 9.34am and lasts for one hour until 10.34am i.e. it begins at about the time Lanza is said to have entered the school and lasts for one hour.
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Here is a purely philosophical rhetorical question for people to think about.
If you believe Obama is truly evil - If you believe he is mentally unstable - If you believe that he would help the Muslim Brotherhood or any like cause to hurt America -
Then, is he capable of approving and facilitating a 9/11/2011 event in order to establish his New World Order or whatever he is trying to do. IMO, he wants to bring down America.
I believe Obama is capable of it.
So , if you believe Obama is capable of those things - then who is to say that those on the other side are nutters for thinking Bush would do it.
I don’t think Bush would. I don’t think he was behind 9/11 but who is to say I am right and they are wrong.
Just a philosophical question.
I’ve taught at schools so know a 5 minute evacuation is possible... in a planned fire alarm situation. In that situation, each teacher leads their class outside to a designated spot in the parking lot. Everyone is leaving the building at the exact same time. The teachers know the routine. The kids know the routine. There’s no distractions, dead bodies to step over, kids crying and certainly no chaos.
So, 7 minutes to get to the school, get vests on, get SWAT set up, get into the school, interview teachers about shadow people, find one or more gunmen, assess the situtation fully, declare it safe... and go in with enough personnel to round up all the students in each classroom (and closet), make them line up in an orderly form (ha, like that’s easy in normal circumstances) and lead one room out at a time while reminding them to keep their eyes closed without anyone stumbling over their own feet or falling on their backsides slipping in blood pools.
I do not rock. I don't play a guitar (or at least I haven't since the 5th grade). I play no instruments, however I am reasonably good at karaoke. Generally, I like to do classic rock, but also Kenny Rogers, Lionel Ritchie, and even Elton John. None of these guys have been known to flash any sort of symbol that could be construed as "satanic," and I most certainly do not either. I am a born-again, Bible-believing worshiper of Jesus Christ. However, I confess that my youngest daughter is guilty of making this same symbol while she sucks her middle two fingers. My oldest used to do it in reverse, palm inward - she still does from time to time when she's really tired and doesn't think anyone can see her. I have pictures of both of them doing this....at the same time, even. I can tell you that if someone were to show these pictures to the public and bring up these signs as needing investigation after - God in heaven forbid - one of my precious children had been a victim of this stupid monster, my rage would be incalculably white-hot. Leave the family alone. Pray for their peace instead of barking up weird trees.
“Amazing how the timeline changes.”
Whose timeline changed? Are you saying that the police radio log has changed? Or do you really mean that the timeline reported by some media outlet in the confusion of the first day’s reporting does not match up with the police radio log?
“Three minutes from the initial call to interviewing teachers? Either there’s a donut shop in the school parking lot or they travelled at supersonic speed.”
The log doesn’t say they were “interviewing teachers”, it says there are reports that the teachers saw this. I would assume that means the teachers called 911 and reported that.
“Then from the time of the inital report, the building had been cleared in ***SEVEN MINUTES***!!! All the nearly 500 students, teachers, aids, custodians, lunchroom ladies, etc. were cleared in a blink of the eye. Desks were looked under, restroom stalls checked and closets were all cleared.”
First of all, I see the log saying “The building has now been cleared.” at 9:53, which is 18 minutes after the initial call. Besides, the log doesn’t say that “building has now been cleared” means any of the things that you are claiming, you are simply assuming that it means some top to bottom search of every nook and cranny.
Some people claim that they don't trust the media, but they are basing their conspiracies on bits of information they heard from the media.
If they don't trust the media, why do they so sure that the rifle was in the car or that a Lanza double was found hiding in the trees?
They want to ask questions and they want to examine and weigh the evidence. They say things like "Where is the film? Can I look at it?" so that they can decide for themselves.
Maybe there isn't always film of everything. For instance a high school like Columbine is much more likely than an elementary school to have video everywhere because there are much more serious behavior issues with teenagers than elementary school children.
Likewise, there are obviously very legitimate reasons for not making every bit of evidence public property right away.
Even if they release pictures and video, there will always be those who say it is made up. There's nothing wrong with skepticism but some people are a little too paranoid and no amount of evidence will ever convince them that there isn't some dark conspiracy that is still hidden.
2) Some folks deny that anything funny could ever take place,
Sensible people are somewhere in the middle. They look at the preponderance of the evidence from multiple sources and decide what makes the most sense. They don't believe everything they hear, but they take into account that fact that giant conspiracies are hard to pull off and impossible to maintain permanently.
If by government you mean the Feds, they were the ones feeding misinformation to ABCNNBCBS. Pete Williams said as much on the aire.
There were entities telling the truth -- the locals with no reason to lie, the school district with no record of Mrs Lanza, and the police who were saying nothing but just doing their job.
Why are Sandy Hook Trufers attacking those local entities who have never been shown to have lied here???
[Ohhhh -- forgive me I asked a question but I will let it stand]
They are lumping all the people in this together as if they all got together and lied and are still doing so when in truth we know that only the Feds did and the big driveby media because it was exposed so by the locals who didn't.
But look who the Sandy Hook Trufers are attacking as liars -- the locals all of whom paid the price for what happened that day.
I posted the police dispatch of that morning. Show me where that is a lie. [That's not a question]
“However, I don’t see many pure nutters on Free Republic. I see a lot of level headed people who have reasonable questions.”
Well, then I don’t think you have been paying much attention. I’ve seen quite a few of that type on the threads over the last week or so.
“And I see a lot of people with their fingers in their ears just denying and denying and denying that anything could possibly be amiss. I call them “the other nutters””
I don’t think anyone is denying the possibility, but just pointing out that the supposed evidence for something being amiss doesn’t add up to anything. Just because there is a possibility, doesn’t mean we should give it any credence, when there is an absence of evidence pointing to that possibility.
Your simple answer doesn’t mean it is true.
456 children and hundreds of parents cannot be evacuated and huddled together with the media present in a small location without pictures being taken
Where are they?
One plausible answer is they are being shopped around for money.
But by now some would have surely been sold.
Another answer is that someone clamped down on them for some reason.
I am sure there are other reasons.
“What are “they” investigating?”
“A mass murder”
If the story that the authorities are pushing is true then why investigate? Lone shooter, he’s dead.
“Conspiracy theorists are pushing the idea that there are multiple shooters, but for all you know that is one of the things that they are investigating at this very moment!”
So, first you say that if anybody says there was more than one shooter then they are Conspiracy theorists. Then you say “that may be one of the things they are investigating.”
I mean, which is it? Are you a conspiracy theorist? How can you say you’re a nutter for suggesting that there maybe more than one shooter and then say that maybe the reason they are not releasing much, if any info may be because they are investigating more than one shooter?
Sorry, that doesn’t make any sense.
“Someone is lying.”
Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable, but not usually because “someone is lying”. There are number of reasons for it, like faulty perceptions, faulty memories, mistaking inferences for observations, or simply miscommunication in relating their testimony. So, I would suggest that you at least consider those well known factors in your analysis.
Did you miss the timeline at post #13 —
It wasn’t 7 minutes after arrival but about 20 minutes after arrival per the dispatch.
First, you have to remember that for some, if they didn’t get to go into the school themselves, and see and touch the AR-15 and the casings, they can still argue that the people who SAY the saw it were lying.
I’m sure there are pictures of the inside of the school, but being police evidence, they probably aren’t being released, although if I were the police I would find a couple pictures that show only the gun and casings and put that out — except the police clearly don’t see their job as stopping every idiot who has a theory from spouting off about it.
And if they did release such a picture, the conspiracists would just claim they were staged or photoshopped.
On the other hand, I don’t think they were “shells”, and I don’t think the bodies were “blown apart”.
When the question was about whether there might have been another shooter, I thought that was a reasonable question. I can see how a second shooter could sneak out of the school in the confusion.
When it became questions about whether the school had any kids in it at all, or whether the parents were actually actors, or whether John Goodman was hired to play a police officer, that’s when it became clear the lunatics had taken over the asylum.
“At 9:36:15, who is the male who is calling? The only male at the school was the custodian.”
Could a male who was outside the school have not heard the shots and called 911? After all, we know that at least one male parent was at the scene quite early on.
This is the kind of completely rational explanation that your brain can skip over if you are looking for evidence of a conspiracy, instead of looking at the evidence objectively to see what the most reasonable explanation is.
“Because I’m familiar with just about every Truther claim there is, even the one that claims the planes were holograms. And they’re all much more convincing than any of the Sandy Hook Truther arguments.”
+1
Maybe it is because the 9/11 truthers at least waited to see what the official “cover story” was before they attacked it. These “Hookers” (sorry I couldn’t help it) can’t wait for the report, so they don’t even know what cover-up they are trying to question. I guess they’ve decided to adopt the shotgun approach and throw out every crazy idea they can think of, hoping that something sticks.
I was making fun of this last night on another thread -- I didn't think even the most conspiracy-minded Freepers would ever push this one.
Hey, do you also believe Actor John Goodman was hired to play the part of a police officer at Sandy Hook? Because that is about the only thing more bizarre than the attacks on this grieving family.
The manufacturer owners manual says the sustained rate of fire is 12-15 rounds per minute. At 15 rounds/min that is 10 minutes for 150 rounds.
There are of course many you tubes videos demonstrating a much higher rate of fire.
“When it became questions about whether the school had any kids in it at all, or whether the parents were actually actors, or whether John Goodman was hired to play a police officer, that’s when it became clear the lunatics had taken over the asylum.”
Let’s assume that the event took place. It’s the most likely assumption with the highest degree of probability.
Let’s also assume that there had to be over 400 kids and personnel in that facility at the time of the shooting. Some end up dead and injured. That still leaves over 400 walking bodies.
I don’t care how well trained those young kids are - there are many that are not going to remain calm. Even adults freak out when they are being shot at.
It would be chaos. After you get the kids out they are going to be traumatized. They will need medical attention. They need their parents. Many will still probably be wondering if they are even safe from the shooting.
There should be been a lot of ambulances. A lot of children.
A lot of freaked out parents. A lot of media. A lot of photographs. A lot of video footage. A lot of evidence of pandemonium.
I am not seeing a scene that corresponds with these details.
Why is that? It is a reasonable question.
Is it being sanitized???
If you have the pictures or the footage that corresponds with what that scene should have looked like I would like to see it.
Very insightful post.
“CNN says 20 minutes”
If CNN says 20 minutes and the police radio logs say 3 minutes, which is more likely to be correct, do you think? The media, or the first-hand source?
My apologies. Seventeen and a half minutes from Dispatch sending out the call to building being cleared. But even you have to admit that is impossible. They got the call, drove to the school, got their vests on, got SWAT organized, chased a couple shadow guys, entered the school, went through the entire school to make sure there were no other gunmen hiding in classrooms, behind desks, in cabinets, in closets, in all however many bathroom stalls, in the broom closet, in the lunchroom pantry, behind the dozen library bookcases and got everyone out of the building and had everything in order to declare the building cleared. Oh, wait, they still had the roof to search and the nurse was supposedly in her closet four hours later in the front area which should have been search first. Nope, the building hadn’t been cleared but that’s what we’re told we’re supposed to believe.
Something else no one has questioned is why were kids being escorted outside when the cops were chasing several supposed bad guys around the school grounds? They hadn’t searched the roof with who knows how many bad guys up there with perfect sights on anyone in the parking lot. Could there have been any bad guys hiding in the trees along the route the kids took to the fire department or maybe under and behind cars in the parking lot? Sure, just walk the kids out in the wide open.
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