Or maybe it's "I love you" in American Sign Language. I know that was the first and only ASL sign I learned when I was a kid, besides how to sign my first name. They taught it to us in school.
Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
Apparently many alternative news pundits and Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists are still fixated on the idea that a man named Christopher Rodia was the REAL owner of the black Honda Civic that has been identified as the car of Adam Lanza’s mother and which was found outside the Sandy Hook elementary school.
The basis for this erroneous belief is police scanner audio that was picked up from the morning of Dec. 14th and details Connecticut State Police response to the massacre.
I obtained the original audio files from Radioreference.com. I had to pay a small sum for the full files. I have listened to them, and it is pretty clear that it is rather unlikely that the aforementioned Christopher Rodia had anything to do with the Sandy Hook massacre, even if his name and DOB is mentioned in the audio. This doesn’t seem to dissuade the conspiracy nuts though. In fact, it just makes them even nuttier.
What so many of these nutty people have apparently missed is the fact that the audio files clearly contain police communications about MORE than just the Sandy Hook event.
In the audio streams there are several communications from Connecticut State police who are clearly not involved in the response to Sandy Hook and are just out there doing their ‘normal’ jobs of stopping people for no reason and catching speeding drivers.
The Connecticut State police scanner audio from the morning of Dec. 14th 2012, as provided by Radioreference.com, begins at 9.34am and lasts for one hour until 10.34am i.e. it begins at about the time Lanza is said to have entered the school and lasts for one hour.
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I don’t see anyone giving the devil sign. Got links to these other pictures?
/seriously crazy people on FR these days.
Size Nominal diameter Pellets/oz
.60” (”Tri-Ball”) .60” (15.24 mm) 1
000 (”triple-aught”) .36” (9.1 mm) 6
00 (”double-aught”) .33” (8.4 mm) 8-9
0 (”aught”) .32” (8.1 mm) 9
1 .30” (7.6 mm) 10
2 .27” (6.9 mm) 15
3 .25” (6.4 mm) 18
4 .24” (6 mm) 21
Just for further info here is the shot sizes of buckshot. Dang! #4 buck is almost exactly the same size as .223.
“Actually, I think the answer is because most of us are satisfied with the answers they have given.”
Really? You’ve been on this thread most of the day and YOU SAY that “most of us are satisfied”. Thats rich.
And, I might just call them. What do you think “they” will tell me? But, then again, I might just “forget”
“Why is all of this important?
Obama is seizing on this incident to take away your 2nd amendment rights.”
Alright, this is really, in my opinion, the heart of the matter. Yes, he is seizing on the incident and using it for political cover for gun control. I doubt anyone on FR will dispute that.
Now, they’re still investigating Sandy Hook, and nobody knows what the full report will turn out to be. In the meantime, Americans on the whole accept the “official” story that we know, and they aren’t likely to be convinced of any conspiracy theory, at least not very quickly. It took decades, countless books, television specials, a publicized court case, hearings in the House of Representatives, and a major Hollywood motion picture before most of America was convinced that the Warren Report version of the JFK assassination was probably not the whole story. No conspiracy theory, even if it is successful, will catch on with the majority of the public very quickly.
So, if your goal is to stop Obama’s gun control agenda, which he is pushing right now and trying to accomplish quickly, then what is the point of pursuing conspiracy theories? Even if you were right, and could eventually find the evidence to convince a majority of the public, you will not be able to do so in time to stop Obama. In fact, in the short term, you’re probably being counterproductive to that goal, since your speculations can be used to tarnish right wing opposition to Obama’s proposals as the stuff of conspiracy theorists.
Basically, what I’m saying is, if we want to stop Obama, this may be the worst possible strategy to go about doing so. We should be focusing on stopping him whether the Sandy Hook story is 100% factual or 100% horsecrap, and our tactics shouldn’t depend on either one necessarily being the case, it should be completely irrelevant.
It is right in front of your face. Sorry if you can’t see it.
Google images for more pictures of the family with Devil Signs...or maybe Heavy Metal Signs.
“Just for further info here is the shot sizes of buckshot. Dang! #4 buck is almost exactly the same size as .223.”
Do you think that a medical examiner, who performed an autopsy on a body, would not be able to tell the difference between a #4 shot and a .223 bullet? Or the difference between a rifle wound and a shotgun wound? Why is this even relevant when the scene was littered with .223 casings rather than spent shotgun shells, and there was a .223 rifle near the body, while the shotgun was locked in the trunk?
“Really? You’ve been on this thread most of the day and YOU SAY that “most of us are satisfied”. Thats rich.”
Sorry if I was not clear, but by “us”, I meant most people in America, not most posters on a FR thread.
“What do you think “they” will tell me?”
I have no idea what they will tell you. There is only one way to find out.
“But, then again, I might just “forget””
If you do, then I hope that you don’t continue to claim they are being evasive in the meantime. That would be unfair to them, in my opinion.
So true! Yet some people claiming to be conservatives cannot understand this and instead insist on obsessing over their irrelevant suspicions.
Maybe they are crazy or maybe they are DUmmies trying to create the appearance of craziness on FR.
There is a helicopter shot of Cops looking and handling a gun that is in the trunk of the Car.
My goal is not to stop Obama’s agenda.
IMO, he can’t be stopped.
The people that could do so that have checks and balances on him are going right along with him.
It is my opinion that things are going to have to get really bad..and I mean really bad..before people will wake up to what Obama has done to them.
I just hope it isn’t too late- but it will take decades to recover from the mess that is about to hit us -especially with the new Justices he is going to appoint.
Mostly I’m sorry you would treat those poor little girls in such a despicable and disrespectful manner.
They are just little girls, yet you see demons.
Get some help.
“There is a helicopter shot of Cops looking and handling a gun that is in the trunk of the Car.”
Yes, there is video of them handling a gun in the trunk of the car, but no video of them handling a rifle.
This whole pissing match started when you said I had no idea what they were suppressing. I told you what they were suppressing and it went downhill from there.
I, as I have stated, do not believe there was a conspiracy to kill these kids. I told you what my belief was and there is no denying that they are using this to further their agenda. NONE. That's it and thats all. Remember what I said about “plausible deniability”. Just look at the statement. Medical examiner “I never said that” Cops “We never said that” Coroner "hell I wasn't even there" Somebody needs to freaking say that the kids were killed with the .223 Ar-15 that has some skin in the game.
I think there are a couple of Obots working that angle here, I have noticed a few suspicious characters with 2012 sign up dates that seem to fit the profile. Most people aren’t trolling though, they are legitimate right wingers.
There’s always been a bit of healthy skepticism of the government and conspiracy theorizing on FR going back to the Clinton years with the “black helicopters” and FEMA camps. I don’t mind it, even when I think some of it is kooky, because mostly it is harmless, and some of it might be closer to the truth than you think. However, in this case, it’s dangerous, because we all run the risk of looking worse than the 9/11 truth nuts, and it is a distraction at a crucial time when we probably should be focusing on other things.
You are replying to a poster who just said that local police said it was not true that a long gun was found in the trunk of the car.
Oops...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOB6tNJ5nTU
And you think it is NUTTY to question what went on here...when this incident is being used to take away your right to guns.
“My goal is not to stop Obama’s agenda.
IMO, he can’t be stopped.”
Ok, but can you at least understand that some of us haven’t given up yet, and want to try to stop him, even if it is futile? If we are going to do that, it doesn’t help us at all to have people distracting conservatives with conspiracy theories that go nowhere and accomplish nothing. How about at least holding off on the wild speculations until after we either win or lose this battle? Is that too much to ask?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOB6tNJ5nTU
Is that not a rifle? Or some kind of gun that the general public would think is a rifle?
It is too much to ask because I believe in looking at evidence and seeing where it leads.
I can’t even begin to count how many posters on this site REFUSED to understand English Law as it pertains to Obama’s British Citizenship.
The law right in front of them and they continued on. I was the first to bring that fight to FR because I do believe you should look at the info that is available and not just the info that fits your agenda.
So for example, the people who claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax point to time stamps. Instead of going “LA LA LA NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER” people should be figuring out why info had those time stamps. It is also a way of debunking the argument.
Same with the photo. She has no apparent legs. Is it photoshopped. People who are good at that thing should see if it is and see when it was released. It may be a disinformation tool or it might not be
But you can’t know unless you look hard at evidence instead of running around saying NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER
“Somebody needs to freaking say that the kids were killed with the .223 Ar-15 that has some skin in the game.”
Alright, but my point is, the usual time that such statements are made is AFTER the investigation is completed, and the report is released to the public. People do not want to wait for that information, they want to attack the “cover up” right now, I suppose because Obama is pushing for gun control quickly. However, it’s not a cover up at all to save such information for the official report, it’s a pretty normal state of affairs.
Now, I understand you want to know right now what caliber weapon was used, because of the special circumstances. So, go ask the police department, and explain to them why it is so crucial that they clear up the matter of the weapon, and who knows? Maybe they will give you an answer, and you can share it with the rest of us. If you’re not willing to do that, then I can only conclude that you care more about trumpeting a conspiracy theory than you do about finding out the truth.
I think it’s nutty to accuse finger sucking toddlers and preschoolers of giving the devil sign.
Your link to the same stupid you tube purveying the nimrods of NBC news to be more accurate than the live feed of the state ME and local LEO is proof of more nuttery.
It is also obsessive behavior to focus on this precipitating event instead manning the barricades to argue and demonstrate that NONE of their proposals would have prevented this event and won’t prevent another.
But you’re too busy obsessing over devil signs and demanding helicopter video that probably doesn’t exist because Newtown isn’t LA where a skycam is probably always up in the air.
The truth about Sandy Hook doesn’t matter, because regardless of what the truth is it still won’t validate the gun grabbers arguments because none of their proposals will prevent another one.
Focus on their political grandstanding instead of this cover up conspiracy rabbit hole.
Or maybe it's "I love you" in American Sign Language. I know that was the first and only ASL sign I learned when I was a kid, besides how to sign my first name. They taught it to us in school.
That’s a shotgun that is taken out of the trunk — a shotgun.
It is not an AR or a Bushmaster or any other kind of rifle — but a shotgun.
And 90% of the people in this country including probably most of the kids in Sandy Hook school would probably know the difference.
“Is that not a rifle?”
No, that is not a rifle
“Or some kind of gun that the general public would think is a rifle?”
You’re probably going to have to take a poll to answer that question, but sure, I can see many people making that mistake.
But you're not looking at the evidence. You're running away from it.
If I had to believe the things you do to keep my guns then I would tell them here take my guns. It's better to keep my mind and lose my guns than vice versa.
Or maybe her dad just pulled her hand out of her mouth seconds before the camera flashed (but missed the younger sister, hah).
Sorry, my three youngest are 13 months apart (Irish triplets), trying to get a photo of all three of them smiling at the camera photogenically simultaneously is why photoshop was invented.
“And 90% of the people in this country including probably most of the kids in Sandy Hook school would probably know the difference.”
For most shotguns, I would agree with you, but that is a semiautomatic, tactical-style model that actually looks a bit superficially similar to some assault rifles, so I can see where folks with just a general knowledge of guns would make the mistake.
However, it is most definitely a shotgun and not any kind of rifle. I do not pretend to be a gun expert, nor do I play one on tv, and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I can tell that with 100% certainty.
“You are replying to a poster who just said that local police said it was not true that a long gun was found in the trunk of the car.”
No, I did not say that. I said the police said that it was not true that the “long rifle” was found in the car. “Long gun” and “long rifle” are not interchangeable terms.
The same can be said about assault weapon.
I don’t know the technical aspect but I have seen claims that an AR-15 rifle is not necessarily an assault weapon.
It takes certain specifications to make it an assault weapon.
I can see local law enforcement calling a weapon the wrong thing. Rifle for long gun.
Long gun for Rifle
Etc.
“It is too much to ask because I believe in looking at evidence and seeing where it leads.”
The problem is, we don’t have hardly any evidence to look at yet, because nobody will wait until the investigation releases the evidence. If you want to pore over the investigative reports and appendices line by line to see if we can poke holes in it, I’ll be right there with you. Until we have something to go on, however, you are just shooting in the dark.
“So for example, the people who claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax point to time stamps. Instead of going “LA LA LA NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER” people should be figuring out why info had those time stamps. It is also a way of debunking the argument.”
Yes, and some people have done just that, and the conspiracy nuts continue citing the google search as evidence regardless. I even demonstrated to a few people today that I could recreate the “anomaly” for any randomly chosen time or event, but nobody cares because they would rather go on repeating untruths that further their conspiracy theory.
“Same with the photo. She has no apparent legs. Is it photoshopped.”
I really don’t care. The girl appears to be sitting with her legs to the side, and my guess is that she is wearing black leggings that blend in with her mother’s black pants. I actually do have the know-how to examine it to see if it was photoshopped, but I can’t be bothered, because the idea is so ludicrous.
I am not running away from anything.
If you had ever witnessed the barrage that was aimed at me for the direct hit I made for taking on Donofrio and that other guy about Obama’s British citizenship then you would know I do not run away.
however, at this moment I am because I am headed to the American Idol thread to read the snark and get some laughs.
Yeah, I don’t care who calls me a kook over that,either.
An AR-15 is basically a civilian version of an assault rifle, but it doesn’t meet the classic definition of assault rifle because of the modifications made to make it legal for civilian use. Assault weapon is a different term, invented by liberals to scare people, and it seems to mean whatever they want it to mean.
“I can see local law enforcement calling a weapon the wrong thing. Rifle for long gun.
Long gun for Rifle”
Law enforcement people don’t usually make mistakes like that, they know firearms and the terminology because it is an intimate part of their job, and they could ruin court cases by using the improper term in a piece of paperwork.
Now, here is how it works. “Long gun” is a general term that includes both rifles and shotguns, of any type. “Long rifle” is not a very often used term, but it means only rifles, and specifically full-size rifles, and not carbines. I suspect the only confusion going on here is on the part of the media, which is kind of betrayed by their using the phrase “long rifle”, when they could have just said “rifle”. The reporters don’t seem to know the difference between a “long gun” and a rifle, and get the terms confused, resulting in the question about the “long rifle”, which is just redundant in this case, since there are no carbines to distinguish from.
I imagine that someone told a reporter on day one that they found a “long gun” in the trunk, and other reports which specifically listed weapons found inside the school only mentioned one “long gun”, the AR-15. So, someone concluded wrongly that the “long gun” in the trunk must be the AR-15. If you watch the video, it clearly is not an AR-15, or any type of rifle, so there is no reason for this confusion or rumor to continue to spread.
Carol Moore's account of the Concrete Room is indicative of how the government rolls.Women and children seek shelter. A federal places a shaped charge on the roof.
All the women and children are killed.
The FLIR analyst for the survivors Carlos Ghigliotti was on the verge of finalizing his evidence over 200 shots were fired into the building on the final assault.
Ghigliotti was found dead at his computer.
Same government this year; different Janet.
I guess I can’t get the frickin timeline straight. Is there an ‘official’ story yet?
“So, go ask the police department, and explain to them why it is so crucial that they clear up the matter of the weapon, and who knows? Maybe they will give you an answer, and you can share it with the rest of us. If you’re not willing to do that, then I can only conclude that you care more about trumpeting a conspiracy theory than you do about finding out the truth.”
I think I’ll do that tomorrow. Thanks for the contact info. Here’s a conspiracy theory for you. Obamas justice dept sold guns to known gun traffickers who they knew would transfer them to Mexican drug cartels. They would be used to kill hundreds if not thousands of Mexicans and even law enforcement here in the US.
You: your a nutter.
You shown proof: Bush did it too!!!!!!
Now, knowing what I said is true about Fast and furious, do you seriously believe that information would not be suppressed about the killings in Newtown?
Oh, here’s a new one. Did you know that Manti teo’s girlfriend is not really dead?
You: you’re a nutter
You shown proof she never existed: “told you she wasn’t dead”
“So, go ask the police department, and explain to them why it is so crucial that they clear up the matter of the weapon, and who knows? Maybe they will give you an answer, and you can share it with the rest of us. If you’re not willing to do that, then I can only conclude that you care more about trumpeting a conspiracy theory than you do about finding out the truth.”
I think I’ll do that tomorrow. Thanks for the contact info. Here’s a conspiracy theory for you. Obamas justice dept sold guns to known gun traffickers who they knew would transfer them to Mexican drug cartels. They would be used to kill hundreds if not thousands of Mexicans and even law enforcement here in the US.
You: your a nutter.
You shown proof: Bush did it too!!!!!!
Now, knowing what I said is true about Fast and furious, do you seriously believe that information would not be suppressed about the killings in Newtown?
Oh, here’s a new one. Did you know that Manti teo’s girlfriend is not really dead?
You: you’re a nutter
You shown proof she never existed: “told you she wasn’t dead”
The investigation isn’t over yet, so no there isn’t something like an “official timeline”. The best we’ve got, I think, is the police radio logs, since they are a record of what was going on as it happened, and they are publicly available.
You made me curious about Carlos Ghigliotti as I had no memory of him. Alamo Girl has a page about him, you’ve probably seen it.
http://www.alamo-girl.com/03604.htm
About half an inch down is a long account by
Freeper Ada Coddington 4/29/00 David Hardy http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/carlos.html
Ending with this paragraph;
On April 19 of this year, from the hotel room in Waco, I called Carlos to report a minor discovery (the roof of the storm shelter, which glows bright white on the FLIR, wasn’t just plywood—it was covered in black asphalt, which explained why it got so hot in the sun.). I got his answering machine, but when it came time to leave a message, the tape just said “tape finished. Thank you for calling.” I thought he’d run out of tape—never happened before, but who knows? I tried again from time to time — same result. I sent email asking him to call. Well, maybe he was out of town. Early today I tried again, and this time nothing picked up, the phone just rang off the hook.
Then this afternoon I received a call. Carlos was found dead in his apartment.
I’m pretty sure that is a shotgun in the trunk. What I am also sure of is it’s dark. So, how long does it take, after one of the most infamous mass killings ever, for the DAMN POLICE TO SEARCH THE KILLERS CAR!!!!!!
First of all, don’t assume I just dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand, because I do not. I just don’t accept any of them uncritically, because I have learned that more often than not, they are a load of rubbish.
“Now, knowing what I said is true about Fast and furious, do you seriously believe that information would not be suppressed about the killings in Newtown?”
Yes, I don’t believe it, because I’ve seen no evidence for it. Also, I don’t see why they would need to do it. They want to ban all guns, not just one type of gun. If Lanza used handguns, they’d push to ban handguns. If he used a sniper rifle with a high-powered scope, they would push to ban those. It just so happens that he used an AR-15, so they are happy to try to ban them.
The left is opportunistic, all they have to do is wait for an incident and they go to town. No conspiracy is required, so why would they go to the trouble to concoct one and risk having it backfire?
“Oh, here’s a new one. Did you know that Manti teo’s girlfriend is not really dead?”
I don’t even know who Manti Teo is, I had to google him. So I really don’t care about his dead or not dead girlfriend.
I think his car was the first thing they searched and they found the shotgun in the trunk and just left it there. A witness saw the car doors had been opened and things in there strewn about.
When they entered the school they found the Bushmaster, thus this in the police dispatch:
9:55:25: “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun”
Since the shotgun wasn't used in the shooting they left it there and checked it later that night.
And I am the one who is a Conspiracy theorist?
Oh, BTW. What happened to the handguns? You said they found two guns. Rifle and shotgun right? So then when did the handguns get in the mix? I’m not making this crap up. I wanna know.
“What? you don’t believe that fast and furious was a conspiracy?”
No, I just don’t think that F&F being a conspiracy has anything to do with whether Sandy Hook is a conspiracy. Like I said, I don’t believe that all conspiracy theories are automatically false, but I judge them all individually and critically. Just because one conspiracy is true doesn’t mean all conspiracies are true.
Fair enough. I didn’t mean to say that F&F had anything to do with Newtown.
Thanks for remembering the DSL!
You’re very welcome. You did outstanding work.
OK. So your post is a bunch of stuff that you think you SHOULD see, but you don’t see.
That doesn’t show it didn’t happen, because you weren’t there. You are working off of news feed stories.
So you think you should see lots of pictures. But you don’t KNOW that pictures were taken.
But that’s where your story ends. It’s like there is a puddle on the floor. And you think, hey a puddle, there should be a glass on it’s side, or drips from the ceiling. But there aren’t.
But does that mean there isn’t a puddle on the floor, or just that you didn’t think of another explanation for the puddle on the floor?
So, do you think there weren’t 400 kids? That’s the argument you are making — “if there were 400 kids, we’d see A, we don’t see A, .... but you don’t reach the conclusion. You just let it hanging there.
Because the conclusion contradicts the facts that are known. You are trying to use secondary, indirect measurements when you have primary facts. With primary facts, you can ignore the lack of indirect secondary measurements. It doesn’t matter — a LACK of some expected thing doesn’t negate a known fact, it just means you understand how things happened.
Who cares that you don’t see kids in the chopper shot? There are very few chopper shots. The chopper doesn’t seem to have been there long.
We know the kids were moved. We see them being moved. I showed you pictures of two sets of kids being moved. And you can see they aren’t panicking. On the other hand, 4 kids panicked and ran away, and ended up at some guy’s house.
So instead of asking “why can’t we see the kids”, why not recognize the reality that the kids were moved, and ask “what is it about the chopper that kept it from taking pictures of the kids”.
Like it wasn’t there when the kids moved, or at that moment it was spending several minutes watching the guy in the woods.
BTW, if someone walks up to you and slaps you, you don’t have to “assume the event took place” — you know it. We know this event took place, because eyewitnesses who are trained have reported about the event.
Of course, you can choose not to believe them. They could be lying. But if you assume that everybody would lie to you, then I guess you never believe anything unless you see it with your own eyes.
I’m not faulting you for that. I never “fully believe” things I don’t see myself. I accept them , if they are rational, but always leave open the possibility that I’ve been lied to. But if you don’t accept that you have to just take a lot of things on faith, meaning that you have to hold a certain degree of trust in those people who we have entrusted to law enforcement and other critical functions.
Thank you!
I'm sure the officer would have been more specific if they knew you were going to be so nitpicky but they were busy with other matters I trust you understand.
Also, he had training, and the “targets” weren’t moving, and were extremely close. And he shot each one several times, according to sources. so he didn’t need to be very accurate either.
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