Skip to comments.Sandy Hook and Christopher Rodia – Most ‘Conspiracy Theorists’ Can’t Think
Posted on 01/16/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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Here are two pictures, showing two of the groups:
You can tell they are different groups, because they are shot in about the same location (notice the green van in the immediate background) but the children are different (the police woman in front appears to be the same person in both pictures).
Why haven't we seen MORE pictures of this? Probably because they are boring. After you take two or three pictures of kids being led in small groups, you'll find something more interesting to take pictures of.
It appears there may have only been one reporter at this scene, with the rest out by the fire house. They sealed off the approach to the school, so nobody could get in or out. The kids were walked down to the firehouse, through the back, and then the parents came to get them.
There are very few pictures from the helicopter. Don't know why. There is a video, and most of the pictures match parts of the video. SO it could be the helicopter came, did a little filming, and was ordered to move away.
I haven't found any helicopter video or pictures that clearly show kids, but I've seen at least one part of one video where it looks like a group is moving toward the firehouse, down the road, which is partly obscured by trees. Can't say it is a group of kids.
So, why the question? Do you think there weren't kids in the school? Do you think they weren't evacuated? If not, what do you think happened to the kids?
DO you think the community got together, decided they wanted gun control, randomly chose two classes of kids, forced them to go to school while keeping the rest home, and then shot them all dead, kidnapped Adam, killed his mother, killed Adam, staged his "suicide scene", and then called the police?
I asked why was the girl giving that sign. She does it in multiple pictures.
Maybe her Dad is a heavy metal rocker. He doesnt look like it. But he could be. Just like he could be a Satanist.
Emilie's parents could be Swinger Satanists who sponsor bake sales for the Church of Baal. No one gives a crap. It's completely immaterial to Sandy Hook, and your obsession with a little girl's silly hand signals borders on mental illness. You obviously have no experience with children, and keep recycling the same conspiracy theorist diversions that your 9/11 Truther buddies use.
Any time I'd offer a reasonable explanation for one of their crackpot theories, they'd bring up Operation Northwoods or Operation Gladio. With you, whenever you are presented with the likely explanation for one of your silly assertions, you wander off and start talking about the Unabomber and MKUltra.
You are the most paranoid kook Freeper I have ever seen in over a dozen years here.
A toddler sucking on two fingers is not making a devil sign. Perceiving it that way is seriously crazy.
Perhaps someone could tell us just what is ejected from a Bushmaster when a 223 is fired.
1. Step One: Take the conspiracy and release memes throughout social media only jack it up ten notches.
Example One: The government knew the the Benghazi Consulate would be hit and did nothing to prevent it. Jack it up to the government hired hitmen to take out the Ambassador and burn the consulate.
Example Two: Sandy Hook was the result of Gun Free Zones wherein the Government knew eventually some nut would gun down a bunch of kids allowing them to finally get the guns. Jack it up to the government hired hitmen to do the job and setup a nutjob patsy to take the fall.
Step Two: Then ridicule anyone who questions what exactly happened in these incidents citing proof that since they are questioning the official story then they are part of the conspiracy nutjob brigade.
Step Three: Laugh as the sheeple eat it all up and you get to engineer any initiative you wish.
Why do you think? Do you think it is because he is an actor? Or that his kid wasn’t really killed?
Because we know who he is, and we know which kid was his, and we have pictures, and the kid was buried.
So, what point are you trying to make by putting “quotes” around the word “father”? What point are you making by referencing his demeanor?
What conclusion do you reach based on that? And how do you ignore the facts, and replace them with your opinion of human nature based on a video?
We aren’t going to be able to tell you why the father was smiling. Maybe he heard a good joke. Maybe he was momentarily distracted by a conversation, and was able to forget his grief. Maybe he is one of those unfeeling males who rarely shows negative emotions. The point is, we don’t KNOW why someone does what they do.
But that isn’t really the point. Those who bring it up — what is THEIR point? What is the conspiracy for which this is evidence?
If you don’t really think the guy is an actor (we know he isn’t), if you really admit that his daughter is dead (she is), then what possible difference can it make what his demeanor is now?
I can't ask the person bringing it up on this thread because I get nothing but mentally unbalanced misdirection. This is crazier than anything I ever read in 9/11 Trutherdom, even the claim that Flight 93 never crashed and instead landed in Cleveland.
The father’s behavior is classic “inappropriate affect”, a clinical term that describes behavior of those diagnosed with narcissism as a personality disorder. It is a text book example. Nothing more.
“Only someone who has never fired an AR-15 rifle in a tactical situation can believe this guy got off 45 accurate shots per minute, on the move, with little or no training, while changing mags.”
How do you arrive at 45 shots per minute? If he was alive and shooting for at least 10 minutes, and fired about 150 rounds, then that is 15 shots per minute, not 45. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
Why is that impossible??? I say that it was a magnificent effort and I applaud them.
They got the call, drove to the school, got their vests on, got SWAT organized, chased a couple shadow guys, entered the school, went through the entire school to make sure there were no other gunmen hiding in classrooms
There were 13? officers who responded to the call. While 6? were chasing the guy into the woods [3-4:00], the other 7? were entering the front broken glass. And after they cleared the kids in 14 classrooms out of the school in 18 minutes, they went back and checked the whole school and that took about another half hour.
Who said that they were "accurate".
He had his marks cornered in one room and probably mostly huddled together. They certainly weren't running very fast or far if at all. Ohhh yehhh that takes a real marksman.
And he still missed everything with half his shots. Is that your definition of accurate???
I'll tell you why. Because they are using this to further the governments agenda of gun control. “Never let a crisis go to waste”. They are propping up these dead children to further a political agenda. And that's disgusting. Now, that's a fact that as far as I can tell is beyond dispute. Is it a conspiracy to withhold info to further a political policy? Yes.
At 10-12 rounds per minute that might be so but everytime you pull the trigger in a semi-automatic a round is fired and that can be done at 45 rounds per minute. At 50% accuracy you can hit 22 targets in just one minute.
A gun free zone at an elementary school is NOT a tactical situation. It’s a free kill zone full of unarmed women and children who are offering little to no resistance.
At 45 shots per minute, he only had to have a 33% hit rate over that 10 minute period.
Good Point —
“They are using can’t comment it’s under investigation BS to justify not releasing information. Why?”
Maybe because it’s under investigation? You know, usually the most obvious and least convoluted answer is the correct one. Nearly every investigation conducted refuses to release a large part of the evidence until the investigation is over. Public disclosures are the exception, not the norm.
“Because they are using this to further the governments agenda of gun control. Never let a crisis go to waste. They are propping up these dead children to further a political agenda.”
I do agree with you that politicians are using the crisis to push gun control. However, I don’t see how you make the logical leap from that to the investigators colluding with them to suppress something that would get in the way of that agenda. How can you determine that if you have no idea what they may be suppressing? It’s just pure, wanton, baseless speculation that isn’t worth a moment of consideration for a reasonable person.
If you came back, after the investigation had concluded and released a report that didn’t match up with some evidence, then I might pay attention. However, you aren’t doing that. You’re claiming a cover up, and yet you have no cover story to point to, since it doesn’t exist yet. As far as you know, the investigation may conclude that all of your suspicions are correct. Why don’t you wait and find out before making accusations?
They could make it easy and release the photos of Lanza allegedly shooting his way in and allegedly walking alone down the hallway carrying an assault rifle. That wouldn’t affect the investigation one bit and would put to rest the vast majority of questions as well. Would also be helpful to know who the guy in camo was and why his storry was dropped faster than John Doe #2 in OKC.
They could make it easy and release the photos of Lanza allegedly shooting his way in and allegedly walking alone down the hallway carrying an assault rifle. That wouldnt affect the investigation one bit and would put to rest the vast majority of questions as well. Would also be helpful to know who the guy in camo was and why his storry was dropped faster than John Doe #2 in OKC.
Janet Reno brought in Wesley Clarke's tanks because children were abused, illegal weapons manufactured, methedrine cooked--
McVeigh and Nichols couldn't do ANFO right until the FBI informant taught them--
And then there was the license plate--
And the dead waitress, the missing motel records, and all of that--
And let's not bring up TWA 800--all solved with the CIA cartoon.
There are anomalies remaining in re Aurora--his therapist's records, and she the former AF CMO--
Sidney Gottlieb, Cass Sunstein, and other responsible citizens want this conspiracy speculation to end right here right now.
The year is young and the Reichstag operation which fizzled with F & F has only begun to rekindle.
Sure, they could, if those photos exist, and I think they probably do. I wish they would release them, but I don’t hold out much hope that it would stop the conspiracy theorists. Still, the fact that they haven’t been released is not evidence of any conspiracy, since one wouldn’t expect that type of evidence to normally be released this early in an investigation, unless they were trying to get the public’s help in identifying an unknown suspect.
“Would also be helpful to know who the guy in camo was and why his storry was dropped faster than John Doe #2 in OKC.”
Referencing John Doe #2 is just silly, it adds nothing to the discussion besides trying to infer that there is some cover-up about the “guy in camo”. From what I can tell, that guy has already been identified as Chris Manfredonia. Some people don’t want to accept that identification, but nobody has been able to give me any reasonable answer as to why we should believe it wasn’t him.
Manfredonia was the volunteer father. He was not wearing camo.
“I do agree with you that politicians are using the crisis to push gun control. However, I dont see how you make the logical leap from that to the investigators colluding with them to suppress something that would get in the way of that agenda. How can you determine that if you have no idea what they may be suppressing?”
Why did Eric Holder meet with the investigators? Here’s one thing I know “they” are suppressing. What weapon killed the children? No one will say, without plausible deniability. It has been suggested that it was the .223. But please point me to any credible info where someone that would know says “the kids were killed with the AR-15. Now, how would that information jeopardize their precious investigation?
Maybe they were. Doesn’t make on little bit of difference to me. Dead is dead. But, what happens when, after New York basically bans “assault weapons” and El Presidente trys the same thing, we find out after their exaustive “investigation” that they were killed with a shotgun?
Hell, the left would then get a two-fer. If I were to want to kill as many people as possible in a confined space what would I use? Shotgun. Well we can’t have that can we? As Feinstein said “ban-em all”
And you know that how????
“He was not wearing camo.”
How do we know that? Is there a picture of him out there? Last time I checked, I didn’t find one.
“Why did Eric Holder meet with the investigators?”
I don’t know, maybe he saw the opportunity for a photo op. Maybe Obama ordered him to go meet with them, so the administration could appear to be “doing something”.
“Heres one thing I know they are suppressing. What weapon killed the children? No one will say, without plausible deniability.”
The AR-15 killed them, that was stated pretty clearly by the medical examiner who performed some of the autopsies himself. Having performed some of the autopsies, and supervised the rest, he is in a position to know firsthand what weapon was used, and he said it was the Bushmaster. How much clearer does he need to be?
Also, the police who are investigating have reported to the media that the AR-15 was used, according to the media reports. That’s not as good as the firsthand video of the medical examiner telling us himself, but it does corroborate his statement.
“But, what happens when, after New York basically bans assault weapons and El Presidente trys the same thing, we find out after their exaustive investigation that they were killed with a shotgun?”
So, why don’t you just push for the gun control legislation to be delayed until the Sandy Hook investigation is over? Or even better, just campaign against the gun control legislation in any circumstance. Pursuing conspiracy theories will accomplish absolutely nothing to stop Obama and the left’s gun control agenda.
Ohh and btw:
“The semi-automatic rate is the assault rifle/semi-auto only version on rapid fire. It is the maximum rate that a weapon can fire with any degree of accuracy in semi-auto mode, usually 45-60 rpm.”
They look like khaki camouflage pants. So they could be described either way — khaki or camo depending upon the person.
Is that Manfredonia???
We all know there are no conspiracies....
So, the Attorney General, Of the United States of America, meets with investigators of a mass murder, and not one media person, as far as I know says “hey Mr. Attorney general what did ya’ll discuss the other day” Or how about “Mr President what did your attorney general discuss over there in Conneticut?” Maybe they are working on “some things under the radar” again? Just seems kinda curious to me.
As for the Medical examiner. I read his statement. I wish I could find it, I’ll try. He never said “they were killed with the AR.” Or anything like that. I think I commented what an evasive answer he gave, I’ll try to find it here..
Scroll all the way down to the bottom.
A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source.
The ME said quite clearly that they were all killed with the "long rifle" except for the shooter. He was not in any way evasive.
Alright, that does look to be the same guy, so I would have to agree that is Manfredonia.
Now, do we have any discernable photos of the “camo pants” guy to be sure he is not the same man? I have only seen video that is too distant to make out any details. Witnesses often get details wrong, so I wouldn’t think it impossible for someone to say “camo pants” when the guy was really just wearing khakis.
Well what was he doing there??? First I have heard of that.
Well, one logical explanation is that he was a late responder (because he was off duty) and was told to or elected to approach from a distance and/or to clear the woods, just in case there was a second shooter based on reports of the as yet unidentified Manfredonia running around the back of the school.
It would be the rational thing to do tactically and he was a tactical squad member. It’s what I would do if I was a late responder.
Associated Press/Newsday article on Saturday, December 15th, reported that Only the rifle was used on the victims, a statement that is supported by Dr. H. Wayne Carver II, Connecticut states chief medical examiner. Of the seven autopsies he personally performed on Sandy Hook victims, all of them had three to 11 wounds apiece. He also said that the gunman used a military-style rifle rigged to quickly reload, and that the shooter was able to reload so quickly because he had taped two magazines together. Even before the State Chief Medical Examiner had given these statements, it had been stated that spent shell casings from .233-caliber (rifle) bullets were found inside the school.
How would the medical examiner deduce from autopsies that a military style rifle was used and had magazines taped together? And still no word on what calibre weapon was used.
If the .233(sic) caused the wounds that killed the kids then I believe that would be the first thing that would come out. Cause it would fit the assault weapons spin. But the fact that, as far as I know, no info on what bullets were used in the murders tells me that the .223 was not the murder weapon
Here is the Medical examiners statement and my reply. Notice The Associated press reported....It is not rocket science to say the wounds were caused by a .223 rifle. He does not say that. And he had ample opportunity.
I also believe that he specifically stated “the Bushmaster” when pressed about the long gun, but I’ll have to rewatch the video to be sure. Anyway, as there was only one rifle found at the scene, just saying “the rifle” is specific enough for any reasonable person to infer he means the only rifle that was found, namely the AR-15.
He was/is the medical examiner not the ballistics examiner. He chose not to go into it any further than to say that they had been killed with the “long rifle”.
It sure would be nice to know where and when he was found and if that is him in post 175.
Because he saw them? It's very likely that his photographer took photos of the weapon and magazines for the various and numerous files and reports they would have to generate. Also a coroner of his experience would be able to tell the caliber when removing the bullets. However (and the coroner mentioned this in the interview) He wasn't answering that question because he's not the ballistics expert and the courts don't allow him to testify to that fact so he was leaving it to the LEO to answer (presumably because the ballistics expert works for the state police lab rather than for the coroner's office).
“He never said they were killed with the AR.”
Ok, I just rewatched the statement. First he says “the long weapon”, and then immediately clarifies to say “the rifle”. Next, they ask him what caliber of ammunition caused the wounds, and he implies that he could tell, but says that, in court, they usually yell at not to answer that type of question, so he says he will leave that to the police. I guess nobody remembered to ask the police afterwards, because I haven’t seen any video of them providing that answer.
A couple questions later, another report asks about the weapon again, and the ME repeats that the wounds were caused by “the long rifle”. One of the reporters then even says “But the long rifle was discovered in the car”, to which two different police officials respond “that’s incorrect” and “that’s not correct, sir”.
The whole thing seems pretty clear to me. There was only one rifle involved in the shooting, so “the rifle” can only mean the AR-15. They also squash the rumor about the rifle being in the trunk of the car in the same press conference. How is there any room for controversy after that?
I can’t find ANY children in ANY helicopter shot.
I can’t find Children meeting up with their parents from the air but of course it could be difficult to detect.
I can’t find the numbers that would go along with this incident.
Were NONE of the children injured but alive???
It’s possible they were either dead or mentally traumatized.
Why is all of this important?
Obama is seizing on this incident to take away your 2nd amendment rights.
Something is off about the information that is being given to the public.
Why are things like that important.
Let’s take Sorcha Faal. He writes a story. It gets picked up on news outlets. It circulates the net. It gets posted here over and over again on this site with people believing what he is saying is true.
Every time I see this I tell people to look at the original source.
It is really unclear whether he is just an internet hoaxster, a democrat operative, or doing the bidding of some intelligence service from some country.
There could be more to the Sorcha Faal story.
Just like there could be more to this one.
Is the Sandy Hook never happened line of inquiry instigated by the same thinking or operative as Sorcha Faal???
Make everyone scream NUTTER while hiding something else?
I definitely believe it is possible.
There is no way that I believe the media wouldn’t take more pictures of all of those kids.
You don’t just take one a couple of pictures. You snap away at this kind of incident and later decide what to use.
This story is so huge and so germane to Obama’s argument it doesn’t make sense that these are the only photos released.
Unless the Obama regime demanded them not to be released
The girl who is intentionally giving the devil sign is not a toddler and she has done it in more than one picture.
Or did you miss that part of the picture.
Maybe she likes Ozzie Osbourne.
“I guess nobody remembered to ask the police afterwards”
Yea. I guess not. Here’s and idea. Why doesn’t somebody ask them now? Oh, that’s right. It’s “under investigation”.
“Why doesnt somebody ask them now?”
Actually, I think the answer is because most of us are satisfied with the answers they have given. You are the one who doesn’t seem satisfied, so why don’t YOU ask them?
Here, I will make it easy for you, so you have no excuse not to do so. Here is their contact info:
Newtown Police Department
3 Main Street
Newtown, CT 06470
Chief Michael Kehoe
Captain Joe Rios
Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
11 Shuttle Road
Farmington, Ct. 06032
(860) 679-3980 (Voice)
(860) 679-1257 (FAX)
1-800-842-8820 (CT only)
H. Wayne Carver II, M.D.
Chief Medical Examiner
Now, you should at least be able to ask them the question, and find out if they will give you an answer. Maybe they will not, but I think you should at least give them the opportunity before you go accusing them of a cover-up on the internet.
Are you really that obtuse.
Think back to Obama and all the photos that have been released.
The Obama regime knows that those photos will be combed over every which way.
Why release OBVIOUS photo shop jobs?
There are all kinds of tactics when practicing a disinformation campaign.
You play right into them.
Let’s scream nutter rather than look at the photo. Determine if it is photoshopped. Determine when it was released.
It is a plausible theory that the photo could be photoshopped to gin up controversy so people like you would scream NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER NUTTER. The line of thinking continues on to most things related to Sandy Hook.
Everyone goes around screaming NUTTER with the fingers in the ears instead of looking at what they may be trying to hide.
It is entirely within the realm of reality that INTENTIONAL CONFLICTING facts are released in an incident.
Sometimes it is done to try to help catch a criminal.
There are other reasons why it happens.
But I guess you can’t figure out why.