Skip to comments.Obama Asks Doctors to Help Deal With Guns
Posted on 01/16/2013 9:49:53 AM PST by illiac
According to a background briefer provided by the White House, President Barack Obama is asking doctors to help deal with guns. Here's the relevant passage:
PRESERVE THE RIGHTS OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS TO PROTECT THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES FROM GUN VIOLENCE: We should never ask doctors and other health care providers to turn a blind eye to the risks posed by guns in the wrong hands.
Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.
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This lists 5 provisions prohibiting doctors asking for information about guns ...
Well, for security reasons, why would you discuss your personal security requirements with anyone else? Seriously. You’re a marine, I am sure you are aware loose lips, and all that.
But I seriously think we need to flip the discussion intimately to the doctor’s guns. And not let up. Because that’s the only way it might get through to them how they are coming off to everyone else. And maybe they’ll just shut up about it, if they were even inclined to ask in the first place.
“...but I am seeing complaints from Doctors that they are being coerced out of private practice ...”
Maybe so, but there’s always a way. About time we started actively and aggressively finding a way around EVERYTHING.
Find it, act on it, do it, and help others to do so as well.
Yeh- just say no...
I went to the doc- he asked if I drank- I said no- we laughed...
No, it pertained to them seeking to find out if you were molesting her or beating her or some other abuse.
They will also have the NEA get teachers to ask children if there are guns in the house.
This is so stupid. All you have to say is NOYB (None of your business).
Or, you can take the 5th Amendment, or give your name, serial number and date of birth, if you prefer.
These clowns can always ask, but that doesn't mean that we have to answer!
“I don’t remember, doc.... but the voices say that I should.”
It fits, like “docs against Glocks”.
Scary, how a physician’s political views can now be dangerous to your freedoms.
Perhaps the NRA could have its own listing of doctors who are amenable to patriots.
Now that is one OUTSTANDING idea, I bet over 4 Million members would use that list. I know I would.
come and take them if you can
Doctors will be liable for any violence with a gun if they do not ask.
As a doctor, I’ll ask that question only if it is pertinent.... for instance, when the patient appears to be suicidal or homicidal...or makes threats to others...otherwise it is none of my business personally nor professionally if they exercise their constitutional rights!
The only connection doctors should have with guns (other than their own personal owndership/use) is to treat gunshot wounds.
NOTHING ELSE! It’s not their GD business!
Health insurers will charge an additional 30% under Obama Care, if you have guns in your home. Thats the next step. Soon people will have to decide between health insurance and possession of guns.
Doctors will question you, your wife, and your kids ( “ Do you have any guns in your home?).
Ok. I’m happy to take any extras people don’t want and educate my patients on the need for self defense. Oh, that’s not what he had in mind???
the same Docs he pissed all over and insulted , those Docs.???
my Doc has already told me obama care and socialist health care is wrong, he also told me about how many Docs think stay silent on the sick practise of homosexuality and all the diseases from feces they get but PC stops them from saying this openly.
If obama thinks the Docs around this part of the state will help him then he;s even more of an idiot than I first thought
Of course, we can and many/most will just say no. However, if the ATF gets their mitts on the 4473's and they tie the Obamacare national healthcare database together that's defacto gun registration. From there they can do all sorts of nefarious things like withhold healthcare, levy additional taxes, etc.
They will just regulate the rest of our guns out of existence like full autos are today.
My husband was in the ER for some sort of panic/breathing issue a few months ago. The nurse asked, right in front of me, if he felt safe at home. I rolled my eyes and said, “I know what’s coming next...”
The nurse said it was indeed a new, goobt-mandated question. I told my husband to be sure not to answer anything about guns — should they get him alone or caught unaware.
I also thought it was ridiculous — because let’s just say I was poisoning (or abusing) him or something. Or vice versa. They’re asking right in front of the spouse, what else is he going to say but “yes,” he feels safe. The nonsense in this day and age...
We should just tell them that it would jeopardise our families’ safety to answer, considering how leftist hack cowards like to get hold of this information by hook or crook and publish it to the world.
If they ask if you got guns tell them to break in and find out.
If you are carried out with a hole in you, yes.
If a shaft in your chest, a bow and arrow.
If a BIG shaft, a spear.
If your head is in two parts, an ax.
This was big back in the 90’s and the early 00’s, (these cats never have any new ideas, it’s always the same old nonsense).
I did offer to take the doc to the range for a free NRA certified pistol lesson, which offer was rather rudely declined.
OF**Kwad LIES ~!
It IS in the bill...........<
Executive Order #2 deals with this little glitch, unfortunately.
What? Seriously? I’d find a new gastro doc. He’s obviously a tool.
Not so. From the PACA [Obamacare law]:
LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.
A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
Yes, but that doesn’t mean that the risk to health is not greater due to violence in the home where a child is being taught to use a fire arm, even though too young to use a firearm.
That would be an increased health risk due to likely violence, not due to the ownership of a firearm or ammunition.
There is no way this clause you have cited would be a stop gap to assessing a greater health risk and thus a greater premium, or denial of service, due to potential violence in the home.
You need to read how the Nazis did it in Germany, where such protections as you cite were easily circumvented by other derivative catchment.
Take a look at their website, www.oathkeepers.com, and if you agree with their goals, sign up and join. They provide a wealth of information, support and opportunities.
It's been my experience that every doctor and nurse I've encountered is disgusted with obomacare and its demands, and have made that clear. One of my physicians has Rush on the radio in his Waiting Room. Anther has had a conversation with me about obozo and his dislike for him. When I've asked a doctor about what obomacare will deny me in the future, it was evident he was angry, but said that there were no limitations on what care I could receive at this point, and he's taking full care of his patients without limits (this was told to me in December of 2012.) Another doctor, a former military, has the flag hanging in his Waiting Room and a picture of the Constitution hanging on the wall. I have no qualms about asking doctors about obomacare, and so far, they've had no qualms about telling me of their disgust.
Someone asked me this question in the hospital and I smiled and said, “yep”.
Remember Elizabeth Smart’s case? If someone had asked her this in a public setting, she might have said no, please help me. It’s exactly for that kind of setting, where there is someone else from home nearby and the injury can’t be ruled out immediately as abuse, etc.
Guess now if you refuse to answer they will automaticaly put you down as crazy
My guess is most would automatically put you down as having guns.
They also are going to require all our records to be stored electronically...what could possibly go wrong?
Most doctors are using EHR (electronic health records)- to practice medicine it will be required in 2014. One doctor I know has not gone to the EHRs, and does not intend to continue practice after that time.
One of the questions of the admitting nurse was is your home safe?
I had surgery two months ago, and there were several questions along the lines of “do you feel safe in your home”. Small town, not a big metro hospital.
I have never ever had so many specific questions asked of me for a hospital admission.