Posted on 01/16/2013 5:07:22 PM PST by FR_addict
FoxNews Bret Baier’s All Star panel, Charles Krauthammer, Juan Williams, and Steve Hayes, all called the NRA ad a mistake, vile and repugnant. I guess they all believe that the elite should have armed protection for their children, but not for ours.
Krauthammer even went so far as to say, of course the President's children should be protected because of who the President is and out kids don't need that type of protection.
What about kids of policemen, judges, FBI, ATF, correctional officers, etc? Their children may be targets because of who their parents are. Don't they deserve armed protection too?
The NRA did not call for taking away the right of the President to protect his children, but to give our kids the same right and not to make them sitting ducks in a gun free zone.
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Every one of them put their elitist’s knee pads on and gave 0bama a big sloppy ‘job.’
In the world in which Americans live in. It may eventually come to bunkers. Either bunkers, concentration camps, or winning a war.
“but comparing the risk to a President’s kids to ours is ridiculous.”
Most of the anti-gun elites have armed guards, not just Dear Leader. Pointing out the hypocrisy of Obama makes Alinsky sense because it freezes and personalizes the issue, and this can be transferred to the other oppressors.
Dianne Feinstein has one of the rare carry permits in California, David Gregory’s kids go to a school protected by guns, Obama signed a law assuring that he’ll be protected by guns forever.
Is this well known on the right?
If Fox News had fully reported the ugly truth about Obama’s cult-like hateful religious belief and really hammered it home, Obama would never have been elected president. Fox News gives the impression of being pro-American, but they are actually kept on a short-leash, by their foreign-born, globalist and Islamist owners.
I don’t remember where I read or heard it, but somebody referred to CK as “when the evil Charley shows up”.
Guess that happened again.
I admire the guy for a lot...but he did work for Carter, right?
The point is that the basic premise exists in both cases. Children are exposed to potential attacks in school. His kids face danger at school and they have armed protection. All kids in public schools face danger (thanks to Federal law mostly) but 0bowdown doesn't think they deserve protection.
” Hardly. We’re sitting ducks on-post due to gun laws and regulations.”
And which Democrat president disarmed the military? Clinton. Some say he did it to lock up all the Army’s guns to prevent an armed coup. It fer shur was not about “safety”.
A retired LEO sitting in the front office with the secretary, eating a maple donut would have taken that POS out before he shot the Principal. Just a wild guess.
No, his kids are not more important.
“Are soft targets created on purpose?”
Did thugs in political power in Chicago disarm the populace to make them easier targets? Same in any big city. Why are there gangs and street crime? Because some are profiting from it and it keeps your people oppressed and not being troublemakers.
“We must accept this, must we not?” That is Official Reality.
Not a surprise. Krauthammer doesn’t believe in the 2nd amendment and is on record saying that all guns should be banned/confiscated. he supports Obama 100% on this.
http://www.grouchyconservativepundits.com/index.php?topic=3573.0;wap2
Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed in sister democracies like Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically.
It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today.
Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation
Yes, Sarah Brady is doing God’s work. Yes, in the end America must follow the way of other democracies and disarm.
I wonder what most conservatives would think about Krauthammer once they knew he wrote that.
Of course they were all insulted about the ad. Don’t forget this hits them where they live also. They are all DC elitists too.
I generally like Krauthammer, but I always have to keep in mind he has an inside the beltway mind. Most of the pundits do. If they didn't, they wouldn't get invited to the very expensive parties.
"Bad company corrupts good character." Most TV pundits have an arrogance about them most average Americans don't, so they lose touch with real America over time. Every now and then something catches their human parts attention and they come back to earth. Then, they work their way back into elitistville until another rock hits them in the head to wake them up again.
The ad was right on the money. All the elitist have armed guards for themselves and their kids, as if somehow the love they have for their kids is greater than the love we have for ours.
Why, don't we understand how much more important to the world THEY are than we are? That's the arrogance I'm referring to. All the self appointed elitists have it at some point. Today, the table showed us theirs as clear as day.
No, to me, the presidents kids are NOT more important than mine. If I had to save his kid or mine from a speeding car, I'd save mine.
” Maybe we need military patrols in every town?”
Back before GCA 68 and a raft of state laws, there were lots of citizens who were armed. No need for military patrols when you can do it yourself. Crime was lower and there were very few mass shootings. Concealed carry was much more common.
As we disarmed mass shootings and rampant gang crime increased.
America was set up initially to be its own militia.
yep, DBrow. They who rule us keep telling us we must accept and comply. Those who rule us keep hurting our nation and placing more of the law-abiding in jeopardy, and should the law-abiding sound an alarm, those who sounded the alarm are made into criminals. It is done so others may profit. Can be no other reason. The system places those making them a profit back on the street in many or nearly all cases. There is purpose in the madness of the system, so it appears. The system makes it difficult to keep those who seek to harm the innocent away from the innocent. Profit comes from harming of innocents. All is done for the purpose of profit? It does seem to be so, or is it? When in doubt one reads history to see if profit ever caused the harm of innocents. So is all profit evil? No, for there is profit in the private sector to protect one from its government. Governments never show a profit, only destruction and debt. History is a great teacher. Wonder when sane people will learn history’s secrets? I (myself) still grapple with the meanings of our planet’s past, present and future, but I do understand government (every government) throughout history has become tyrannical.
Fox has even hired uberleftist whacko Dennis Kuchinich. As of this day, I now view Fox as another leftist news source. That means that there exists a chance to serve a segment of the population -- those on the right -- with a new news channel.
Again, loud and clear to every elitist pundit out there....
No, to me, the presidents kids are NOT more important than mine. If I had to save his kid or mine from a speeding car, I'd save mine.
Agree. Nice to find a like mind.
Some is profit, like crime, but some is basic ideology like fascism.
How 'bout making sure your knowledge of standard reaction protocols isn't over ten years out of date before you offer advice to those of us who are keeping up.
Columbine was 1999.
And "take out the armed guards first?" You watch too many movies. That statement is as asinine as Steve Martin's old joke "first, get a million dollars....etc"
Glenn Beck has his own station now, but in order to get it we have to purchase a more expensive package from Dish. We don't want to spend $ on that, first because the money would go to crappy Dish, and secondly we'd only want one new station.
Beck needs to expand, if he can, and be more accessible to the average family.
I think if he was more accessible, because FOX is going Faux, he could bring in a lot of new viewers.
He knows the lefts agenda better than anyone in the country, but he's turned a lot of people off because of his preaching. I don't mind it, but a lot of people don't want to hear that part.
You have my assurance, the pleasure is mine in finding a like mind
Thank You for posting this because I watched it live and was disgusted by all of them...Sickening
Steve Hayes is a dirt bag most of the time, the entire panel are Rino`s, I watch very little of the show these days.
Have had conversations with Brett via email over the last few years (he answers his email quite often) Most of my conversations with him have been about the trashing the panel has done on Gov Palin
I ask him why he can not have a true Christian Conservative on the panel stuff like that, asked him why you have to be a moderate to be on the panel
Steve Hayes is a BLANK masquerading as a Conservative, total wimp loser
CK is a moderate loser as well, however do not think he even claims to be a Conservative, have watched Brian Lamb CSPAN interview him in depth, he is a agnostic, has no pro life or pro family beliefs
CK in my mind helped Obama get elected in his first term, but Bill O`reilly did his part as well. Canbt tell you how many times CNN and or MSNBC quoted wonderful things CK wrote and said about Obama
Wow, great thread...
I was screaming at the TV when this was on...
His kids ARE fair game if Obozo is using other people’s kids...
We saw inside-the-beltway bias big time from these morons.
Uhmmm....it was a movie. Anything that happened, happened because the writer wrote the story that way......
You know this ad was effective; the RINOs and Leftists are beside themselves.
Please NRA, don't back down!
I totally agree...
There was an incident in San Diego many years ago, at the start of the “war on terror” where the wife of a Navy CO whose ship was involved in some over seas action, had her car blown up...she escaped injury but those of us in the service felt very vulnerable...anyone can be targeted for any reason at any time.
I’d bet not...sending your kids to private schools in DC is like driving around in a Bentley...pure status snobbery...
How the hell do YOU know?
You have no effing idea what an armed security person might uncover.
Same here. I felt like they were telling me my kids were irrelivant. If a child must die, it would have to be mine, as if the Oboma girls were somehow something special. (In my opinion, they're just a couple of tax payer fed spoiled brats.)
I taught in No VA when the snipers were at large....
We had a plain car presence at morning and afternoon car pool...
And we’re happy to have them there...
Wish then I had thought to conceal carry.
Krauthammer is a friggin’ idiot!
(Waiting for the Krauthammer Cheerleaders to come out and defend Charles' superior intellect).
Elitism is dumb as a box of rocks and as shallow as a puddle. It is rampant today.
Truth is, Obama and his pals could care less about the children who were murdered in Newtown. If he cared about Americans getting murdered, he go after the gangs who are slaughtering so many children and adults in the cities. He would not be pushing abortion.
He’s all drama for the “progress” of overcoming the freedom of law abiding people so they can not protect their children as he protects his own “important” children. He could care less about any human life except this own.
And those planes had a lot of KIDS on them...and nothing to protect them.
Oblama was on tonight biting his lip talking about ‘all the poor innocent kids who were mrudered because soemoen had a gun’ Yet has ANYONE i nthe media brought up how many innocent kids were killed in homes because heir parents didn’t have a guin to protect them and had to wait for ther police who arrived TOO LATE TO SAVE THE KIDS? No- not a peep from the NRA not a peep from Fox news, Not a peep from any of them-
What does the NRA do? They shoot themselves i nthe foot by postign an ignorant ad that they shoudl have known would NOT go over well- instead of rallyign NY’ers to stand their ground and to refuse to pay taxes UNTIL cuomo’s bill is recinded on grounds of it being unconstitutional and a direct violation of their rights-
What thbe hell NRA? Are you deliberately tryign to sabotage our secodn amendmaent rights by either your silence and lack of leadership or your ignorant ads? NY’ers JUST LOST THEIR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS and all you can do is run a freakin ad?
NRA menmbers shoudl DEMAND their money back or demand that new leadership be enstated that will actually make a difference in protecting our second amendment rights
Frankly, in my opinion, Krauthammer is brilliant about as many times as he stands up.
I don’t know. But how many armed guards will be at each school? Will they be on the rooftops? in every class? on every floor? Or will there be 1 at the front door? Why is America talking about living like this? How did we get here?
Something isn’t right about this conversation. That’s all I’m saying.
BS. If I started going to school with my kid carrying a gun to protect him, they’d arrest me.
It’s not a comparison of risk...it’s pointing out the blatant hypocrisy. Sorry you can’t see that.
What did you expect from metrosexual girlymen? Where do their kids go to school?
In my opinion, we got here as a result of the "it takes a village" (big government) crowd effectively achieving success in destroying the family and discrediting any moral premise for law and civil order.
It is all part of the leftist agenda to gain power and control by destroying America within by corrupting and subverting all that is good and all that premises America's founding principles. Those supposed conservatives that focus on and promote FISCAL ONLY politics are at best dead and at worst enemy sympathizers in the culture war being fought right now.
I would hope and feel assured that no conservative is actually in support of an imposed TSA like apparatus in schools. I think that conservatives oppose imposed gun-free zones and support simply the right to any security a locality may deem appropriate for themselves.
Perfect assessment. I agree.
I don’t want TSA patting down 10 year olds and squeezing their peanut butter sandwiches. Oh wait, kids aren’t allowed to bring peanut butter to school anymore. I meant to say their tofu sandwiches in their politically correct lunch boxes.
I see it a little differently; yes anyone that is high profile is a target, as are their children. That doesn’t negate the danger the “average” child faces though. It is a given that the children of someone like the President will and should be protected. The risk can be looked at from another angle though- how many children of high profile people in this country have been killed in school shootings-ever? How many children that are not high profile have been killed?
I don’t believe any high profile children should be unprotected and doubt anyone seriously believes that. I believe ALL children should be protected as much as possible. At least the option should be there, the liberals want to make that choice for the “little” people and already have by designating public schools as gun free zones.
The liberal lie is that children are safer in gun free zones; if that were really true then it should follow that even high profile children would be safer in a gun free zone.
Very disappointing comments from all three (although Williams’ was to be expected) - Obama’s kids are no more precious than anyone else’s, but they are more vulnerable - and the very fact that the best way to protect these most vulnerable is considered by all, even the gun-grabbers, to be to surround them with armed guards only proves the effectiveness of that approach - to argue that anything less should be acceptable to anyone else is exactly what the NRA says - elitism, of a particularly arrogant and contemptuous strain, a modern day parallel even more offensive than “Let them eat cake” - else why not settle for doing away with the hated armed guards in the White House and simply change some appropriate laws - like, say, no one in the future can write and stage a play about assassinating the president of the United States - surely the First Amendment can stand a few limitations for the sake of saving the president if the Second can be limited to save the children........
Exactly.
I thought it was a good ad which showed how Obama and the others who are pictured in the NRA ad, can protest for tighter gun control and new laws (which seem to be worthless and or unconstitutional) while they expect us to be disarmed or have a disadvantage for our own safety. In turn, they each (the media, Obama, the politicians) are protected well. The ad called the liberals out, my view. If they were intelligent or could even be honest, the liberals would not want single moms and elderly women and men left defenseless. It shows to me they are doing the very same thing on every crisis. This has been a knee jerk reaction making others think they do care about all of the children and their safety while pushing their own gun ban/less liberty agenda. It is more money placed into some added/added $$$ tax $$$ program that doesn't work. We already have criminal backgrounds checks before you can purchase a firearm.
I was very offended by Obama using those little children implying a persona as me, who believes in the 2nd Amendment; does not even care about the children who lost their lives in the school shooting. He crossed the line. So, those panelists need to do a further evaluation and include All of us. ( To the panelists and Biden Obama> Is your message ->what is good for me is not good for you.)
The ad was not directed at Obama's children, but rather, the double standard that is imposed by the political class. Why do Obama and the left object to armed protection for our schools--something that about 10% of our schools already have?
The NRA ad was masterful--not vile. It used the same tactics that the left uses, including class warfare. The general public got the message and so will their elected representatives.
And does that apply to David Gregory’s kids who was pictured in the ad?
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