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GOP pollster: Stop talking about rape
Politico ^ | 01/17/2013 | JAKE SHERMAN and JOHN BRESNAHAN |

Posted on 01/17/2013 2:12:48 PM PST by SeekAndFind

WILLIAMSBURG, Va. — It’s way past time: House Republicans need to stop talking about rape.

That’s the message GOP lawmakers got here Wednesday evening from Kellyanne Conway, a top GOP pollster.

Conway dispensed the stern advice as part of a polling presentation she made alongside fellow GOP pollsters David Winston — an adviser to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) — and Dave Sackett. The comment was described by several sources in the room.

Conway said rape is a “four-letter word,” and Republicans simply need to stop talking about it in their races for office.

Several GOP candidates got themselves in hot water during the 2012 campaign by talking about rape. Former Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) said a woman could terminate a pregnancy resulting from a “legitimate rape.” Richard Mourdock, who lost his race for a Senate seat in Indiana, said babies resulting from rape were a “gift from God.”

Last week, Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.) — an OB-GYN since 1975 and co-chairman of the House GOP Doctors Caucus — commented that Akin was “partly right” in saying that female rape victims have a way of shutting down the body during “legitimate rape” that will prevent pregnancy.

Last Friday, Gingrey’s office provided a statement in which he appeared to distance himself from the remarks, which he said were misconstrued.

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My take is this -- It is not that the GOP candidates LIKE to talk about RAPE, it's that the lamestream media KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT as it relates to abortion policy.

In other words, you might not want it to be brought up BUT IT WILL. Those who want to paint you as extreme WILL bring it up.

So, you must be prepared for a response whether you like it or not.

1 posted on 01/17/2013 2:12:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Who is talking about rape right now? (Aside from this pollster)


2 posted on 01/17/2013 2:14:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
So, you must be prepared for a response whether you like it or not.

Exactly

3 posted on 01/17/2013 2:15:07 PM PST by tsowellfan (cafenetamerica.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
Several GOP candidates got themselves in hot water during the 2012 campaign by talking about rape. Former Rep. Todd Akin (R-Mo.) said a woman could terminate a pregnancy resulting from a “legitimate rape.”

Liberals think they have conservatives cornered when they ask about abortion for rape. To shut them up, a conservative can answer, 'OK, let's limit abortion to just rapes." With this answer, the liberal is then backed into a corner they don't want to be in.

4 posted on 01/17/2013 2:17:33 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What? The only rape going on around here is the regimes daily talking points and by RINOs.


5 posted on 01/17/2013 2:18:58 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well if you’re supposedly smart enough to get elected to office, you should be able to sidestep the question without using the word. These idiots (Akin, etc.) dug their own graves.

Any male politician who utters the word “rape” in ANY context is an idiot. Period.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 2:19:40 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: SeekAndFind
So, you must be prepared for a response whether you like it or not.

Yes, just make sure the response isn't something stupid such as pontificating about women's bodies magically shutting down during rape, or what may or may not constitute a "legitimate" rape, etc. Good grief, just have a canned answer and stick to it.

7 posted on 01/17/2013 2:20:50 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: SeekAndFind

This guarantees the MSM will bring it up all the time now.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 2:22:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bigdaddy45
These idiots (Akin, etc.) dug their own graves.

That's why, in the case of Akin, Democrats funneled money (over a million dollars) into his primary campaign. They knew Akin had foot in mouth disease and wouldn't be able to cut it as a statewide candidate outside his very conservative district. Unfortunately, we had idiots like Mike Huckabee in there convincing Akin and his supporters he could win. Of course he predictably lost and gave Claire another 6 years in that seat.

9 posted on 01/17/2013 2:24:04 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: cripplecreek

(from the article)~: “Conway dispensed the stern advice as part of a polling presentation she made alongside fellow GOP pollsters David Winston — an adviser to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) — and Dave Sackett. “

I’ve always been brought up : “you are known by the company that you keep “ .
If Conway hangs with Boehner’s pollster ,
that’s all I need to know !!
LOSER !!

The only rape that is going on in this country right now is
Boehner (and his pollster) allowing the financial, social ,
moral and legal rape of this country by the most
progressive , Socialist , Marxist POS who is out campainging


10 posted on 01/17/2013 2:26:08 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Pay attention - the inmates ARE running the asylum!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They need a canned response or no comment. Otherwise they should shut the heck up about it.


11 posted on 01/17/2013 2:33:34 PM PST by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

RINOs themselves love to bring it up and that includes the FReepers who flap their gums about how conservative they are only to turn around and join the mediatards in attacking the conservative.

Despite the jackals, more tea partiers won than lost in this last election cycle.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 2:35:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Qwackertoo

RE: Otherwise they should shut the heck up about it.

You mean like this?

Reporter: “Mr. Akin, what policy do you plan to adopt for women who get pregnant because of rape?”

Todd Akin: “No comment.”


13 posted on 01/17/2013 2:36:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: cripplecreek

RE: Despite the jackals, more tea partiers won than lost in this last election cycle.

I can name several big names who did not win...

Allen West, Connie Mack (Both of Florida, Wendy Long ( beaten by Kirsten Gillebrand in NY ).

Tea Party Darling Michelle Bachmann won by the skin of her teeth.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 2:38:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

You don’t have to be an overpaid GOP pollster to realize that the ‘GOP loves rape’ meme, which social media like Facebook is saturated in, is horrifically annihilating GOP popularity among low information voters.

But it helps.


15 posted on 01/17/2013 2:39:50 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a taxpayer.

I’m being raped financially.

The GOP is complicit in that action.


16 posted on 01/17/2013 2:40:51 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Professional political analysts who are oblivious to the fact that it is simply in responding to leftwingtard MSM agents that's the problem really shouldn't be hired in the future for political campaigns.

I was thinking of the way Congresscritters were kept appraised of what was going on in the Clinton trial ~ private individuals at their own expense DELIVERED detailed information to every Congressman.

Sure, most of the New York crowd skipped over it, and the majority of the California Democrats can't even read English, but it worked with the House in general.

Next campaign we need to be prepared to blanket all Republican campaigns for every open office ~ even state offices ~ of a quick guide to SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATE BEHAVIOR.

3X5 X24 pages probably ought to do it. Rule 1 ~ never go one on one with a leftwing msm agent. Rule 2 ~ never acknowledge a question from a leftwing msm agent. Rule 3 ~ put up a sign at every campaign stop where YOU are renting the hall/site that NO CAMERAS OR RECORDINGS ALLOWED WITHOUT THE EXPLICIT PERMISSION OF THE CANDIDATE ~ HE"S PAID THE RENT NOT YOU.

We could probably come up with 100 basic rules in a good half hour just thinking of things we know that worked.

17 posted on 01/17/2013 2:41:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
Todd Akin: “No comment.”

I hope you aren't trying to pretend that would be the end of it because most FReepers aren't little children and know better than think that would end right there.
18 posted on 01/17/2013 2:42:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Question list for the next ABC debates:

1. Mr. Republicant, what are your views on rape, the fetuses conceived by rape, and the physiology of a woman’s body as it relates to the act of rape?

a. Follow up: When did you commit your first rape?

2. How old do you think the earth is?

3. Do you support or are you a member of the Nazi Rifle Association and do you own an Assault Rifle-15?

b. Follow up: Where do you buy your armor piercing rounds and do you believe armor piercing rounds are necessary to kill a child?


19 posted on 01/17/2013 2:45:10 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: cripplecreek

I was being facetious.

Of course it isn’t going to end right there.

That’s why Pro-life candidates ought to think carefully regarding a response that does not damage them like it did Todd Akin or Richard Murdock.

Believe me — IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP (whether they lie it or not ). In fact, any taped statements they made in the past will be dug up and played on TV and radio and used in ads against them.

So, in regards to the title of this thread -— NOPE, GOP CANDIDATES WON’T BRING IT UP, BUT WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT *IS* BROUGHT UP AS IT INEVITABLY WILL?

This GOP pollster did not give an answer to this.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 2:48:22 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: bigdaddy45

“Any male politician who utters the word “rape” in ANY context is an idiot. Period.”

YESSSS! How hard is it? These politicians need to PREPARE in advance an answer to the inevitable “gotchya” questions that are going to come from the media. If they can’t prepare for that,,they have no business serving in office.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 2:49:33 PM PST by austinaero
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem isn’t “talking about rape.” As long as liberals in the media know that Republicans are ignorant and/or fundamentally unprincipled on the subject of life they will continue to bring focus there.

Just answer them as follows:

“Killing an innocent person for the crime of another person is barbaric, don’t you think? Personally, I believe in due process and equal protection for every single innocent person in this country. Those are the principles upon which this country, and our entire system of law and justice, are premised. How about you? Don’t you believe in equality?”

The most they can do after that is babble nonsensically. But mostly, in my experience, they just shut up and go away.


22 posted on 01/17/2013 2:53:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: muawiyah

A lot has to do with how much attention the media gives a “flawed” candidate. Obviously the senate is the one the RINOs and democrats wanted to keep in “moderate” hands but a lot of wild accusations and threats were thrown and tea party house candidates.

Here in Michigan Kerry Bentivolio (Who won the Thad McCotter seat) was accused of conspiring with the McCotter staffers. On election day it was reported by liberal radio that charges would be announced against Bentivolio. When charges were announced in the case the AG specifically said that despite rumors Kerry Bentivolio was in no way part of the case. They also accused him of abusing students when he was a high school teacher.


23 posted on 01/17/2013 2:54:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
I hope you aren't trying to pretend that would be the end of it because most FReepers aren't little children and know better than think that would end right there.

How about "I'm 100% pro-life in all circumstances. Period. End. Let's move on." It wasn't their pro-life stances that doomed Akin and Mourdock. It was needlessly pontificating about half-baked magic uterus theories and "gift from God" proclimations that gave their opponents the sound bites they were looking that sealed their fates.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 2:56:50 PM PST by Drew68
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To: EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson

How about this:
“Rape is a CRIME. It is a personal, traumatic crime. Every resource should be made available to a person who is a victim of such a trauma. They alone get to decide how to move forward after experiencing such a horrible assault. It’s horrible beyond words. Abortion is not a crime. Rape is. Do you see the difference now? I will not exploit rape victims to make a political point or as an excuse to set policy. I think that would be cruel.” or something like that,,we could do our conservative reps a favor by having a debate thread,,why not? Where we poke holes in every possible issue so that the conservative side can think about a strategy and come up with a response. What do you say Jim? We can call it the “Devil’s Advocate” forum and throw slings/arrows at conservative positions in order to shore them up for prime time.


25 posted on 01/17/2013 2:59:06 PM PST by austinaero
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To: chris37; Uncle Chip

... and here’s the proper responses to those loaded questions -

(1) “I’m not a medical doctor, so I’m not qualified to answer that question properly”

(2) “Please explain to me how that question is in any way relevant to this campaign - I’m here to talk about the Democrats’ gross incompetence that is killing the American economy”

(3) “I support the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution - do you, Mr./Ms. Reporter?”

(3b) “Again, please explain to me how that question is in any way relevant to this campaign and the pitiful state of the economy - which is what Americans are most concerned about?”

See? Simple.

If you’re a Republican politician and stupid enough to get baited, so stupid that you can’t come up with simple common-sense answers like these, you DESERVE to lose!!

Exhibit 1 - Todd Akin.


26 posted on 01/17/2013 2:59:26 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Drew68
How about "I'm 100% pro-life in all circumstances. Period. End. Let's move on."

I like it but know it won't end there. The problem isn't with the candidates so much as it is with the voters themselves who are too stupid to recognize when the media is manipulating them.
27 posted on 01/17/2013 2:59:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: austinaero
Every resource should be made available to a person who is a victim of such a trauma.

What about the child?
28 posted on 01/17/2013 3:01:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: austinaero

The flaw in your thinking is that abortion IS a crime.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 3:02:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: Drew68

RE: “I’m 100% pro-life in all circumstances. Period. End. Let’s move on.”

The inevitable follow question will then be this — “You mean you will FORCE the woman who was raped to have the child?”


30 posted on 01/17/2013 3:07:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Longbow1969

Seems simple enough a proposition, doesn’t it?


31 posted on 01/17/2013 3:08:01 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: austinaero
Abortion is not a crime.

Abortion IS a crime.

A crime against God.

A crime against the child.

A crime against the moral basis of American law and justice.

A crime against posterity.

A gross violation of every stated purpose of the U.S. Constitution and its explicit, imperative requirements.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

32 posted on 01/17/2013 3:09:10 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, God forbid you embarrass the faux-life “Republicans.”


33 posted on 01/17/2013 3:12:08 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: canuck_conservative

I am struggling to think of even a single republican with enough political dexterity to avoid that extremely obvious minefield wherein the mines are not buried and have flasing neon signs on each one of them.

I want to say Ted Cruz, but I have not seen enough of him yet to be able to judge properly.


34 posted on 01/17/2013 3:12:37 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Sadly, abortion is not a crime. Buying a 16 ounce bottle of soda in New York City, now that’s a crime.


35 posted on 01/17/2013 3:13:07 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

No, it is a crime. It’s murder.


36 posted on 01/17/2013 3:14:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I guess, if you have principles, at some point they will become an issue of discomfort.

That's when you character kicks in.

37 posted on 01/17/2013 3:17:34 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I guess, if you have principles, at some point they will become an issue of discomfort.

That's when you character kicks in.

38 posted on 01/17/2013 3:17:34 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: canuck_conservative

Best answers so far.

Come run for office. We’ll make an exception for you.


39 posted on 01/17/2013 3:18:11 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: SeekAndFind
The inevitable follow question will then be this — “You mean you will FORCE the woman who was raped to have the child?”

Its an inescapable trap where no answer will make everyone happy Maybe the best answer is something along the lines of.....

"I don't believe in Abortion and I know many people disagree with me. However, my power to act according to my conscience is limited by current law and yes, I will work to change that law but success is in no way guaranteed. This is the most honest answer I can give. Can my opponent answer as honestly?"
40 posted on 01/17/2013 3:19:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
We will fulfill the prime directive of our founding documents by protecting the right to life of the weakest among us.

If that has to be reduced to some kind of stupid euphemism, then it's time to start shooting.

41 posted on 01/17/2013 3:24:32 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: EternalVigilance
No, it's not.

It may be a homicide, but murder is defined by statute.

Look, I (and probably several of the other posters with whom you've been corresponding on this thread) don't disagree with you on the moral reprehensibility of abortion. We would merely point out that copping a sanctimonious attitude in an argument and then demanding all or nothing will generally get you nothing.

42 posted on 01/17/2013 3:28:22 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Reading down through this thread I'm reminded why the Republican Party is in the mess it's in, frankly, and why the Democrats defeat them so easily.

Here's how a real republican statesman answers questions of this sort:

"These communities [the Fathers of the Republic], by their representatives in old Independence Hall, said to the whole world of men: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'

This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to his creatures.

Yes, gentlemen, to all his creatures, to the whole great family of man. In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the Divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows. They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children, and their children's children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages.

Wise statesmen as they were, they knew the tendency of prosperity to breed tyrants, and so they established these great self-evident truths, that when in the distant future some man, some faction, some interest, should set up the doctrine that none but rich men, or none but white men, or none but Anglo-Saxon white men, were entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, their posterity might look up again to the Declaration of Independence and take courage to renew the battle which their fathers began, so that truth and justice and mercy and all the humane and Christian virtues might not be extinguished from the land; so that no man would hereafter dare to limit and circumscribe the great principles on which the temple of liberty was being built.

"Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines conflicting with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated by our chart of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the Revolution. Think nothing of me — take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever — but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence. You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death. While pretending no indifference to earthly honors, I do claim to be actuated in this contest by something higher than an anxiety for office. I charge you to drop every paltry and insignificant thought for any man's success. It is nothing; I am nothing; Judge Douglas is nothing. But do not destroy that immortal emblem of Humanity — the Declaration of American Independence."

-- Abraham Lincoln, speech in Lewiston, Illinois, August 17, 1858, four days before his first historic debate with Stephen A. Douglas, Printed in the Chicago Press and Tribune


43 posted on 01/17/2013 3:34:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: aimhigh

And then the headline is:

“A New Direction For Conservatives: Supporting A Woman’s Right To Choose.”


44 posted on 01/17/2013 3:34:57 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
demanding all or nothing will generally get you nothing.

If you cede inequality towards one innocent person, you've ceded the whole principle of equality. Which means you've got nothing. Especially when the question is one of life and death.

45 posted on 01/17/2013 3:36:36 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Great attitude.

Every day in America 3,700 innocent babies a killed by an abortionist. But it's more important to parade our moral superiority than to develop a rational plan to save as many of those lives as possible?

When I used to play poker, there was no better guy to have sit at the table than someone who would bet the farm on every hand; he was absolutely certain to lose.

46 posted on 01/17/2013 3:51:32 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: cripplecreek

The pollster Kelly Conway may have a verrrrry Irish name but do not be fooled. She is a long-time GOP-E and pro-abort.


47 posted on 01/17/2013 3:52:47 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

And yet while all of us have moved on, this GOP Pollster is still talking about rape.


48 posted on 01/17/2013 4:31:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Mr. Lucky

Your way has held sway for forty years. The results suck.

So, some of us are not playing your game anymore “Mr. Lucky.”

Have a nice evening.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 4:32:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly====but at this point, sorry to say, the whole GOP position concerning abortion has been “tarnished” by those two, and that was by design from the MSM and the Dems.
Now, anyone who has a pro-life voting background or reputation will look a little too careful and circumspect and basically “dishonest” when the Gotcha Gang from the media asks them pointed questions on the subject.
It’s a no-win situation, and you can be sure the MSM is salivating over the prospect of seeing another Mourdock or Akin appear.
It’s a bit like the damned if you do/don’t dynamic that obtained when Sarah Palin was on the ticket.
Libs, projecting their own inauthenticity, claimed that she was parading her children around onstage,especially the disabled one, exploiting them for political purposes.
Of course if Sarah had resolutely avoided giving her children ANY exposure, especially the disabled one, the Libs would’ve said “WHAT IS SHE HIDING????IS SHE ASHAMED OF HER CHILDREN????THIS LADY IS UNTRUSTWORTHY!!”


50 posted on 01/17/2013 5:19:57 PM PST by supremedoctrine
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