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Wake Up, Socially Liberal Fiscal Conservatives
Townhall.com ^ | January 18, 2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/18/2013 6:13:36 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Responsibility2nd

In my advanced age I’ve become a more of a realist. I do still have hope for the future but as the years tick by my perspective shows me that we are accelerating to the abyss not away from it. Government cannot fix the problem. The ONLY thing that will get us off this path is some kind of massive unifying event that resets our priorities.

New laws will not change anything. If God cannot prevent you from sinning the government surely cannot.

You are not naive, just hopeful. But you should separate your hopes and dreams from the reality the world provides. Laws rarely accomplish what they set out to do and more so when they make criminals out of good men.

“Past performance is not a guarantee of future gains” that not only applies to finance but life in general. History will repeat itself because history shows that it will repeat itself ;-)

You cannot make someone become a believer, they must come of their own volition. The consequences of moving away from God is a less moral society but the government cannot fill that void nor should it try.


51 posted on 01/18/2013 9:30:37 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Kaslin
Piss on the whole "fiscal conservative / social conservative" agrument. It's bullshit.

If the Republicans want me to vote for them, then get some Republicans at are actually republican!

How freaking hard is that to understand?

52 posted on 01/18/2013 9:31:36 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: RobertClark

Do you really think Coolidge belongs on that list? I think he was the last President that tried to govern within the Constitution.


53 posted on 01/18/2013 9:33:14 AM PST by DManA
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To: Daveinyork

Why would you think I wanted the Feds to do any of that?

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Oh, for silly little things like freedom and liberty and crap like that.

To think that the fedgov must defer to the States on issues like these is beyond naive. When Obama decreed a state can not enforce state and federal laws regarding immigration, what did Arizona do? They capitulated. And when Obama will issue E/O’s regarding the 2nd Amendment that violate state and federal laws, what will happen? Same thing. Each state will go; “Baaaa”, and will follow along.

The point? Ignore states rights and deal with the power that controls us. And that’s why we need the Feds to uphold the values that made us great.


54 posted on 01/18/2013 9:33:14 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: RockyMtnMan; RobertClark

I see you two agree that the country is in a moral mess and the government cannot fix it.

We all three agree the country is in an economic and fiscal mess, and the government probably cannot fix it.

Perhaps historians are right. America - like all great nations has reached its apex. Democracy works, but only for 200 years. Then it falls apart.


55 posted on 01/18/2013 9:42:07 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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That is like saying to someone who makes 50 thousand but has 53 thousand in debt that he is broke. No he just has to pay off that 53,000 dollars in debt. The debt is large but as long as the 50K person pays their monthly bills they are fine

How did that hypothetical person get $53K in debt? Probably because they couldn't pay their monthly bills with $50K.

56 posted on 01/18/2013 9:45:40 AM PST by DonnDe
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To: DManA
Do you really think Coolidge belongs on that list? I think he was the last President that tried to govern within the Constitution.

Yes, he was. But he also did nothing to promote the understanding of why - hell, he basically did absolutely nothing at all. That is just as detrimental as taking action in the opposing vein, in my opinion. His views were clear, and he was a true Constitutionalist - the last in the line of Presidents, but he helped it all go to hell in a handbasket by not taking action to preserve what he believed.

57 posted on 01/18/2013 10:28:59 AM PST by RobertClark (It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and we'r)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“And that’s why we need the Feds to uphold the values that made us great.”

then you had better start planning to amend the Constitution, unless you really don’t care about the Constitution, which would means that you really don’t care about the nation.


58 posted on 01/18/2013 11:33:09 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Where is any real world evidence for your bizarre claim, and besides, it was simply a fantasy description of an impossible reality anyway.

The reality is that conservatism is both social and fiscal, liberalism is the opposite, and libertarians are a handful of fantasy people who imagine a world of broken and liberal people who for some odd reason won’t vote themselves social gifts to support their lifestyles.


59 posted on 01/18/2013 1:15:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Kaslin

There’s no such thing as a fiscal Conservative/social liberal. You cannot pay for a leftist social agenda by being a fiscal Conservative. It costs beaucoup bucks.


60 posted on 01/18/2013 2:59:55 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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