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Sequestration Will Hollow Out Force Fast, Dempsey Says
Defense Dot Gov ^ | 17 Jan 13 | By Jim Garamone

Posted on 01/20/2013 10:16:54 AM PST by SkyPilot

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To: kabar

“I do know that it takes more than a decade from conception to operational use for a weapons system. We are using systems that were designed 10 to 20 years ago. And many of our planes and ships are even older. “

This is a near-fatal problem, not a feature of our DoD procurement system.

“Disagree. My 36 years experience in the federal government doesn’t support that assertion. “

You missed the first rule of bureaucracy then. That is SOP for bureaucracy.

“It doesn’t start by providing a fixed amount and saying stay within it.”

Declining to define a budget is the sole purview of the US Senate at this time. The budget process ALWAYS requires you to define a defense posture, the systems, and the contingencies required to meet a specific budget number. Always.

did I say Always?

The present DoD leadership is saying “I’ll do it but I’ll destroy the future US Armed forces because I’m a passive-aggressive douchebag that wants to say ‘I told you so’”


51 posted on 01/20/2013 4:47:35 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
This is a near-fatal problem, not a feature of our DoD procurement system.

I thought you were an engineer. Do you think a stealth bomber goes from concept to full production overnight. My point is that when you start cutting DOD there are some very difficult decisions to make. You just can't make across the board cuts. Programs, training, personnel, weapons systems, maintenance, etc. must be looked at in terms of mission and operational effectiveness. And some of the costs are driven by global events.

You missed the first rule of bureaucracy then. That is SOP for bureaucracy.

How many years did you work in the federal government and how many budget requests did you prepare?

Declining to define a budget is the sole purview of the US Senate at this time. The budget process ALWAYS requires you to define a defense posture, the systems, and the contingencies required to meet a specific budget number. Always

Pure gibberish. That is not the way the budget process works in the federal government. Do you understand the role of OMB in the federal budget process?

The present DoD leadership is saying “I’ll do it but I’ll destroy the future US Armed forces because I’m a passive-aggressive douchebag that wants to say ‘I told you so’”

Passive-aggressive douchebag? How many times have you put your life on the line for this country? I don't doubt the patriotism and dedication of the military leadership of this country for a minute. Why is it necessary to disparage them or their motives? They are entrusted with the defense of this nation and want to make sure that we remain the most powerful nation on earth. A strong defense is the best guarantor of peace and the protection of our strategic national interests.

52 posted on 01/20/2013 5:18:22 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

“Do you think a stealth bomber goes from concept to full production overnight. “

Actually I know a lot about the Stealth Bomber, having been deeply involved in it’s flight testing, and it’s a perfect example of what I mention. it’s mission/mission profile was adjusted many times causing extended delays and increasing cost beyond reason.

“You just can’t make across the board cuts. “ You can excise whole programs and large costs. what the present leadership is doing is not adjusting to the new reality - opting for “O&M” so that you “hollow out” the force through lack of leadership - and hope you can make up for it later with a new administration. That’s not happening.

“Pure gibberish. That is not the way the budget process works in the federal government. Do you understand the role of OMB in the federal budget process?”

it’s not gibberish. the DoD does a QDR and budget is a huge part of it.

“How many times have you put your life on the line for this country? I don’t doubt the patriotism and dedication of the military leadership of this country for a minute”

Oh here we go....If you don’t support unlimited budget authority for DoD you are (pick one..) I absolutely believe that the DOD leadership essentially lies to protect their budget prospects. Absolutely. Every bureaucrat does the same dance.

How did you make it 36 years and not come to understand this basic simple fact of federal government bureaucracy?


53 posted on 01/20/2013 5:36:36 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
Actually I know a lot about the Stealth Bomber, having been deeply involved in it’s flight testing, and it’s a perfect example of what I mention. it’s mission/mission profile was adjusted many times causing extended delays and increasing cost beyond reason.

I have actually been in the cockpit of a B-1 as well as in an aircraft that was refueling one in flight. I got down into the refueling pod while refueling. It was an awesome sight. Cost beyond reason? How do you determine such a metric?

it’s not gibberish. the DoD does a QDR and budget is a huge part of it.

The QDR is only part of the process. There are plenty of other players in Washington who get involved in DOD's budget process. The policy questions are decided above DOD in terms of whether we have a two major war or one and one-half war capability or something else. It has evolved over the years mainly due to the lack of resources.

Oh here we go....If you don’t support unlimited budget authority for DoD you are (pick one..) I absolutely believe that the DOD leadership essentially lies to protect their budget prospects. Absolutely. Every bureaucrat does the same dance.

DOD has never had unlimited budget authority nore would would it ever seek it. Where do you come up with this stuff and why the animus towards DOD or bureaucrats?

How did you make it 36 years and not come to understand this basic simple fact of federal government bureaucracy?

Because I actually experienced and was involved in tghe process. Why should I agree with your distorted and convoluted views that I know firsthand are ridiculous. How long did you spend in the federal government? How many budget requests have you put together in the federal government? How many times have you put your life on the line for this country?

We can only go around this tree so many times. Have a good day.

54 posted on 01/20/2013 8:41:47 PM PST by kabar
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Remember when Obama was campaigning in 2008, he said he wanted to create a civilian force that was just as strong & as well financed as our military force. Well he is in the process of de-funding the military. He never said what his intentions were for this new civilian force. I distinctly remember wondering “what for.”

It’s frankly scary!!!


55 posted on 01/20/2013 9:00:15 PM PST by Alissa
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To: kabar

” Cost beyond reason? How do you determine such a metric? “

Where this determination is made depends on whether you are on the taxpaying side or the bureaucracy side. One has a lot higher threshold than the other.

“The QDR is only part of the process. There are plenty of other players in Washington who get involved in DOD’s budget process.”

Really?

“DOD has never had unlimited budget authority nore would would it ever seek it. Where do you come up with this stuff and why the animus towards DOD or bureaucrats? “

No kidding. Didn’t you just say the ‘right way’ to budget for defense was not “It doesn’t start by providing a fixed amount and saying stay within it. “

I have no more or less animus towards DoD than I do towards any federal bureaucracy. I claim that it, like every federal bureaucracy is mismanaged (based on my experience), you say that your 36 years gives you special knowledge that says otherwise.

“How many times have you put your life on the line for this country? “

I spent 4 years in peacetime military, but what difference does that make? How does that give me veto authority over reason, or how does that give you veto authority over me or anyone else. It doesn’t. After 36 years, you are unable to see how majorly mismanaged the DoD is - and you are unable to see that $500B should be more than enough for a properly run DoD to defend the nation effectively. You don’t have to walk point to see that.

“We can only go around this tree so many times. Have a good day.”

Agreed, you as well.


56 posted on 01/21/2013 1:39:13 AM PST by RFEngineer
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