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To: RFEngineer
That’s over 10 years, so they aren’t “real dollars” as you claim. It’s really 1/10th of what you claim, isn’t it? Let’s just have honesty here.

The DoD cut made that $450 Billion cut and has already paid dearly for it. Yes, the entire figure is a 10 year figure, and that is $45 Billion per year that the Dod coughed up. Name one other Federal agency that made that kind of real dollar cut? Taps foot.........

These were not "cuts in growth" - they ARE real dollar cuts. You want honesty? That is honesty. The military cut thousands of jobs, canceled many modernization programs, and cut force strength.

Google it if you don't believe me.

Army slashing 8,700 jobs as budget cuts begin

DoD to cut more than just weapons systems

Air Force cutting 13,500 civilian jobs

Sequestration is a ten year, $600 Billion evisceration on top of that $450 Billion.

You can spin this from here to next Sunday, but the baby does not get any less ugly.

I don’t care what Panetta said.

Panetta is a Democrat, working for the worst, most leftist President in American history. Even Panetta could not stomach what Obama and Congress were doing. If you can't accept this fact, that's your problem.

$500Bn is a lot of money, by the way, don’t you think?

Defense is about 18-20% of the Budget before the previous cuts. The DoD does not get that full amount, because the Defense budget is historically larded with pork that has nothing to do with Defense. This happens each and every year. Some AIDS research is in the DoD budget, on top of other garbage. Congress does this because they can get away with it. Factor in sequestration, and it goes down even more. Defense spending today is at historic lows in terms of GDP.

Under Bath House Barry, the DoD budget has shrunk even more than this chart projects. Soon, the DoD will approach about 2.8% GPD.

Is $500Bn not enough?

Lol! You keep repeating that. Try this on for size: during the January "Fiscal Cliff" deal the GOP gave away $200 Billion to the Democrats to extend (yet again!) unemployment benefits. That is ONE giveaway program out of all them that got full funding, sending checks to people to not work. For almost 2 year. And since 2008, we have spent almost 3/4 of a Trillion dollars paying people not work.

This debate is about our national soul. Our priorities, and our future.

Our military might is directly tied to our international standing and our economy. Fools never seem to be able to grasp this.

I think we are just about finished as a nation.

36 posted on 01/20/2013 12:24:29 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

“Lol! You keep repeating that. Try this on for size: during the January “Fiscal Cliff” deal the GOP gave away $200 Billion to the Democrats to extend (yet again!) unemployment benefits. That is ONE giveaway program out of all them that got full funding,”

Another red herring. There is no opinion expressed over any other spending, if you wish to imply that I support wasteful spending of any kind, make the accusation, but I’m talking about the defense budget.

Is $500Bn enough for Defense?

“This debate is about our national soul. Our priorities, and our future.”

It’s also about spending of all kinds, our deficit, and many other things.

If you truly care about the defense of the country, and I don’t doubt that, you should figure out ways to defend the country on drastically less money than even $500Bn, because that all that we’ll be able to spend. I think its not only possible, but likely that we’ll have to.

But defending the Defense department bureaucracy and generic “sky is falling if we don’t get $X budget” is not the way it’s going to be.

How would we defend the US with a $100Bn annual budget, for instance is a question that the Defense dept should be able to answer. How about $50Bn? I’m not kidding. This is what we could be facing with the level of budget problems we have.

The solution is not to claim our “national soul” requires a greater than $500Bn defense budget.

The “national soul” calls for much more than what is in a budgetary spreadsheet. But that’s the rhetoric of defense budgets. Talk of “soul”, “patriotism” and other icons are meaningless when we don’t have the money.

I believe, and I’m a veteran, that it is possible to be a simple taxpayer that pays for this all and be a patriot, for instance. The bureaucrats like to monetize the flag and patriotism and turn it into a larger budget authority. They are despicable people who do that.

Anyway, I digress.

How would you defend America with $100Bn? If it’s too hard a problem, then we need better people in the Defense business, because right now if they can’t hack it with $500Bn they should all step aside and let people who actually care about America’s defense do it.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 12:48:44 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: SkyPilot

oh, another thing about your chart and your point about Defense spending as a % of GDP - if we took all wasteful government spending, resized our government at all levels, made drastic reductions in spending that would be required to balance our budget (and more to start paying it off) then our GDP would be much much smaller How about 40-50% smaller in the wake of the financial calamity that is before us?

it’s definitely possible. not even a $500Bn defense budget will survive that.


38 posted on 01/20/2013 12:54:23 PM PST by RFEngineer
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