Skip to comments.No, Sidwell Friends School has no armed guards [We Obama critics were wrong on this one]
Posted on 01/20/2013 6:49:30 PM PST by grundle
The National Rifle Association is airing a television ad (and has on its website this four-minute video) that says the private school that President Obamas daughters attend, Sidwell Friends School, has 11 armed guards. It doesnt.
In fact, it has no armed guards. My Post colleague Glenn Kessler, who writes The Fact Checker column, wrote about the issue here and quoted Ellis Turner, associate head of Sidwell Friends, as saying: Sidwell Friends security officers do not carry guns.
Parents and students say they have never seen one either.
The presidents children are protected by Secret Service agents, which is required by federal law, but that is not the same thing as armed school resource officers.
The Fact Checker, who hands out Pinocchios depending on how accurate or inaccurate a particular story is, gave the NRA and its ad the worst possible rating, four Pinocchios. Whereas three Pinocchios are given for significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions, four Pinocchios are given for whoppers.
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They wanted to get maximum value out of the "have you no shame" card first?
where is your proof? some rag sheet? Surely the NRA had the facts prior to the ad, cream puff
A plethora of those who you deem to be deserving of tax payers funding their security have left plenty of active duty and civilians high and dry. The Secret Service should just have stuck with going after counterfeiters. Know they become vultures who have the freedom to strip 1st Amendment rights. Let the Pres be protected by Active Duty and then if the Pres wants security for their family, fund the armed guards out of their own wages.
Wilson was a punk who thought of himself as a Philosopher King and an idiotic “progressive” Congress went along with this “Kingship”. Our government is made up of disposable representatives with a very detailed line of succession. If one needs protecting, it should be the tax payer, not a perceived nobility of ostentatious knaves. Btw, how many murdered at Ft. Hood were armed? Was at a Annex a week ago. Seems it was illegal for AD members to be packing. The Annex did not have a guard gate btw.
The security guards don’t have to carry guns. The place is crawling with secret service. And they do carry guns......
Know they become = Now they have become, sorry
I take everything from the WP with a super huge grain of salt. I wouldn’t even trust the day and date printed on their front page.
And that is why he would drive past Sidwell to the nearest “gun free zone” at the public school / shopping mall / movie theater / park. Unless he is after a specific person or organization, by increasing the odds just slightly he will die before he gets the chance to take someone with him, he would find another target. What is so hard for liberals to understand about that?
BUMP what you said.
That’s a great post right there.
It has been said that, “A lie goes around the world before the truth gets its boots on”, and the scumbag Democrats have taken advantage of that truism for decades. It’s about time the Republicans were willing to engage in the kind of creative lying the rats mastered long ago. We are engaged in a freaking war to try to save America from the African communist Ubama and his fascist hordes. Screw any “rules”.
Apologize to the scumbag rats? Admit it if we are wrong?
Anyone who believes we should ever operate that way should drop dead and just get out of the way.
So I take it that's a vote that we should say any and all kinds of BS, just as long as it makes us look good and those we oppose look bad. We can tell any lie we want, right?
I think we have a job for you in the Propaganda Department.
All of that is probably true.
Obama’s kids should go to public school like every other parent is forced to do if they don’t have the money to pay for private school. Oh wait, that doesn’t apply to celebrities and leftists hypocrites who oppose vouchers...but I digress.
You better believe that Sidwell Friends is one of the most protected schools in the country. I think the Washington Post is playing semantics here.
I don’t believe The Washington Post, Fact Checker, or you.
Sorry... I don’t believe this swill. No way in the world would the elites of DC send their kids to a school that has no armed security, especially in the cesspool of DC.
Here is the current list of security personnel at Sidwell. There are 11 security positions, 7 of which are “special police officers”.
Actually I kind of doubt the Secret Service would allow that.
I recall the photo a month or so ago here on FR of an agent with his hand covering a New York cop’s holstered sidearm.
Obama, Biden, Wasserman-Schultz, and the whole damned government and Democrat Party openly and constantly repeat proven lies. But they just get even angrier and repeat the same lies when confronted with the truth. Over and over, practice makes perfect, repetition until it becomes the defacto truth.
We are not in a ‘debate’ here. We are in a conflict that represents our very freedom, and I don’t care one whit about this particular fact being true or not. It’s what the Democrats would do.
The reason that school’s guards are apparently not continually armed is that it is highly likely the Secret Service has removed the greatest nearby possible threat to their charges. If the SS were not there, they would be armed, you betcha.
>>So I take it that’s a vote that we should say any and all kinds of BS, just as long as it makes us look good and those we oppose look bad. We can tell any lie we want, right?
>>I think we have a job for you in the Propaganda Department.
First of all, this was a Washington Post “fact check” story. The WaPo Fact Check is leftist propaganda. There is more to the story. Perhaps the Sidwell guards do not carry guns now that the Secret Service is on the premises. Did they carry before the Obama girls arrived? Who knows.
Second, we don’t just “tell any lies we want”. But, if we get busted on some detail or technicality, as this was, we don’t start apologizing and promising to do better in the future, as the poster that I commented on did. But, you know what? The Left DOES tell any lies it wants. It shovels BS on our heads constantly and we smile and take it because some of us, like you, think that the moral victory gained by being passively lied to is better than beating these people. Your grandchildren will curse you for being weak and letting these Marxists roll over you so you could “be the better person”.
Third, I’d rather have a job in the Propaganda Dept of a right-wing regime that WON a freakin’ election than a bed in a re-education camp because the Left knows how to manage the flow of information and propaganda. The “high road” is the road to defeat in today’s America. At this point in time, we need to fight these rats in the trenches. In a media-driven society such as ours, controlling the information is more important than guns. If we man-up and learn to fight them on their turf in the media, we might not need those guns!
Look at all the people who are going on and on about the “coming CW2” and how they’re buying guns to “resist tyranny”. If we can’t even grow a pair big enough to tell the WaPo Fact Check that we don’t accept their version of the truth and then we fall to the ground wailing and begging for forgiveness from our enemies, then how in the hell are we going to actually FIGHT them if the time comes?
You’re one of the lucky ones........
I don’t think I would have let that information out.
I am not sure a mea culpa is indicated here - who actually provides the armed security (the school or the secret services) is a moot point - The real point/issue here is that the girls have de facto armed security (and they should).
IF THEY ARE WORTH ARMED SECURITY - WHY AREN’t ALL CHILDREN WORTH ARMED SECURITY? My daughter at 15 is the same age as the older one. Regardless of the specific details of the security itself i.e., whether or not the school or the secret service is the actual provider, the point to be considered is that all children deserve such security however it is accomplished.
1. My guess is that the SS actively vets any Special Police Officers that are hired.
2. When the President’s children attend the school all SPOs work for the SS. That may be a constant as their are a lot of embassy kids that go to Sidwell and it would be important to provide the kids with adequate security.
3. I would guess that between the current personnel, the SS and the nearby embassies the school is one of the hardest targets in the world.
I'm all for fighting. And I'm all for winning. I just don't think we have to sell our conservative souls, or betray our conservative values, to do so.
>>I’m all for fighting. And I’m all for winning. I just don’t think we have to sell our conservative souls, or betray our conservative values, to do so.
Oh, for crying out loud, we aren’t bashing infants’ heads against a wall! Conservative values do not include letting the enemy choose the time, place, weapons, and terrain for every fight. George Washington won most of his battles by subterfuge. His biggest win was accomplished by sneaking his men across a river at night and attacking on Christmas Day, which was a very unseemly thing to do and would definitely violate your “conservative values”.
The greatest conservative value is individual freedom. In fact, the ONLY conservative value is individual freedom. All other values come from that one thing. We are in a fight for that freedom against a remorseless enemy who will take that away from us. It is their goal!
All I’m saying is that we must fight the battle for hearts and mind using the same tactics they use against us. Those tactices are working and that’s why they are winning. Look at how many people believe that Sarah Palin said “I can see Russia from my house”!
The Left throws a dozen lies up against the wall each week to see which ones stick. The ones that stick get repeated a hundred times in the first 24 hours.
If we say that they’re lying, they just deny.
When we accumulate evidence that they are lying, they claim we are taking them out of context.
When we play the video to prove context, they claim that it isn’t important or that we misunderstand.
When we gather more evidence that it is lie, that their statements were in context, and that what they said is what they meant; they just say, “are you still talking about that? This is a week old and we have more important things to worry about.”
Now, if we do not engage in the same tactics, then they NEVER have to be on the defensive. We play defense constantly and they move the chains on every play.
One rule of combat is “If you find yourself in a fair fight, then your tactics suck!”
I simply don’t agree that we need to or should lie in order to advance conservatism.
I can see that there might be an extraordinary situation in which lying might well be justified. But I don’t think lying as a matter of course is either necessary or advisable for conservatives.
I believe that conservatism is the truth, and that the truth is strong enough to stand on its own. That truth helped defeat the Soviet Union. That truth helped make America the great country we are today.
Gandhi overcame violence with peace. I am not willing to become the enemy in order to “defeat” them.
I have been re-watching the Lord of the Rings movies lately. Boromir attempts to take the Ring, because he knows the Ring gives its holder the power to conquer the world.
Would it have given him that power? Yes, but he would not have been victor over Sauron. He would only have been his replacement. Later, his brother Faramir captures Frodo and decides to send the Ring to Gondor, to give Gondor its power. Galadriel comments that the captain of Gondor (that is, Faramir) has only to stretch out his hand and take the Ring, and all will be lost.
Upon seeing the power of the Ring to corrupt even Frodo, Faramir changes his mind and releases the Ring-bearer to continue his quest to destroy the Ring. In fact, he decides he is even willing to forfeit his life in order to do so. And that one decision makes a difference between a failure that looks like a victory, and a real victory.
And yes, it’s just a story. But great stories are great because they reflect the principles of real life.
Conservatism is strong enough to stand on the truth. That is what I believe. If you believe otherwise, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Some folks are easily fooled.
My mom and I were talking about school security. She’s a retired teacher. She and I agreed, when I was in High School the principle was armed. Never saw the weapon, he never had to use it. It was also assumed, back then, that several other male teachers and coaches had weapons available. That was then, I guess. I do know for sure, that on any given day, from October till february at least 20 vehicles on campus, had a rifle or shotgun available. Hunting season.
It would seem to me, especially with elementary, pre-school, or middle school kids, that protecting your students must be your top priority.
I’m wondering where Breitbart got his information? I’m pretty sure they didn’t just pull it out of their ass.
Oh, kinda as an afterthought. I was called to the office one day in high school. Wondered wtf? cause you didn’t just get called out of class for nothing. One of the coaches met me. “David, you need to go out to your truck and put your shotgun behind the seat.” He was worried about someone breaking in my vehicle and stealing my shotgun.
They are using this tragedy and the graves of these children to advance one of their pet issues in a time of crisis.
They deserve ridicule and contempt, not apologies.
Either that, or someone was pressured to say the “right” things. The jury is still out on this on. I would not be surprised to see one of the Security personnel come out and say they do carry guns.