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No, Sidwell Friends School has no armed guards [We Obama critics were wrong on this one]
Washington Post ^ | January 18, 2013 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 01/20/2013 6:49:30 PM PST by grundle

The National Rifle Association is airing a television ad (and has on its website this four-minute video) that says the private school that President Obama’s daughters attend, Sidwell Friends School, has 11 armed guards. It doesn’t.

In fact, it has no armed guards. My Post colleague Glenn Kessler, who writes The Fact Checker column, wrote about the issue here and quoted Ellis Turner, associate head of Sidwell Friends, as saying: “Sidwell Friends security officers do not carry guns.”

Parents and students say they have never seen one either.

The president’s children are protected by Secret Service agents, which is required by federal law, but that is not the same thing as armed school resource officers.

The Fact Checker, who hands out “Pinocchios” depending on how accurate — or inaccurate — a particular story is, gave the NRA and its ad the worst possible rating, four Pinocchios. Whereas three Pinocchios are given for “significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions,” four Pinocchios are given for “whoppers.”

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KEYWORDS: guncontrol; obamafamily; schoolsecurity; sidwellfriends; usss
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To: Right Wing Assault
And what took this new info so long to get out?

They wanted to get maximum value out of the "have you no shame" card first?

101 posted on 01/20/2013 9:23:41 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: grundle

where is your proof? some rag sheet? Surely the NRA had the facts prior to the ad, cream puff


102 posted on 01/20/2013 9:29:23 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
“We don’t leave our own hanging out to dry. “

A plethora of those who you deem to be deserving of tax payers funding their security have left plenty of active duty and civilians high and dry. The Secret Service should just have stuck with going after counterfeiters. Know they become vultures who have the freedom to strip 1st Amendment rights. Let the Pres be protected by Active Duty and then if the Pres wants security for their family, fund the armed guards out of their own wages.

Wilson was a punk who thought of himself as a Philosopher King and an idiotic “progressive” Congress went along with this “Kingship”. Our government is made up of disposable representatives with a very detailed line of succession. If one needs protecting, it should be the tax payer, not a perceived nobility of ostentatious knaves. Btw, how many murdered at Ft. Hood were armed? Was at a Annex a week ago. Seems it was illegal for AD members to be packing. The Annex did not have a guard gate btw.

103 posted on 01/20/2013 9:30:57 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: grundle

The security guards don’t have to carry guns. The place is crawling with secret service. And they do carry guns......


104 posted on 01/20/2013 9:31:15 PM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: All

Know they become = Now they have become, sorry


105 posted on 01/20/2013 9:32:43 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Biggirl

I take everything from the WP with a super huge grain of salt. I wouldn’t even trust the day and date printed on their front page.


106 posted on 01/20/2013 9:50:42 PM PST by princeofdarkness (The GOP is the present version of 1940 France and it will only get worse.)
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To: EternalVigilance

And that is why he would drive past Sidwell to the nearest “gun free zone” at the public school / shopping mall / movie theater / park. Unless he is after a specific person or organization, by increasing the odds just slightly he will die before he gets the chance to take someone with him, he would find another target. What is so hard for liberals to understand about that?


107 posted on 01/20/2013 10:02:23 PM PST by eggman (End the Obama occupation of the White House!)
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To: Bryanw92

BUMP what you said.
That’s a great post right there.

It has been said that, “A lie goes around the world before the truth gets its boots on”, and the scumbag Democrats have taken advantage of that truism for decades. It’s about time the Republicans were willing to engage in the kind of creative lying the rats mastered long ago. We are engaged in a freaking war to try to save America from the African communist Ubama and his fascist hordes. Screw any “rules”.

Apologize to the scumbag rats? Admit it if we are wrong?
Anyone who believes we should ever operate that way should drop dead and just get out of the way.


108 posted on 01/20/2013 10:27:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Bryanw92
OMG...we are our own worst enemy. We find ourselves in a bar fight and we’re shouting “fight fair” as we get beat to death with bar stools and beer bottles. Read “Rules for Radicals” and realize that WE are the radicals now.

So I take it that's a vote that we should say any and all kinds of BS, just as long as it makes us look good and those we oppose look bad. We can tell any lie we want, right?

I think we have a job for you in the Propaganda Department.

109 posted on 01/20/2013 10:32:16 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: LZ_Bayonet
May I suggest the possibility that, when the daughters of the President are attending a school, the security is actually managed and dictated by the Secret Service and all armed personnel are ONLY Secret Service. IMHO - When the Secret Service is guarding a principal and the only other person in the room or area is a local cop or security guard, that cop or guard is then considered, by default, the greatest threat.

All of that is probably true.

110 posted on 01/20/2013 10:52:29 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: grundle

Obama’s kids should go to public school like every other parent is forced to do if they don’t have the money to pay for private school. Oh wait, that doesn’t apply to celebrities and leftists hypocrites who oppose vouchers...but I digress.

You better believe that Sidwell Friends is one of the most protected schools in the country. I think the Washington Post is playing semantics here.


111 posted on 01/20/2013 11:32:22 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: grundle

I don’t believe The Washington Post, Fact Checker, or you.


112 posted on 01/20/2013 11:32:34 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: grundle

Sorry... I don’t believe this swill. No way in the world would the elites of DC send their kids to a school that has no armed security, especially in the cesspool of DC.


113 posted on 01/20/2013 11:41:28 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: grundle

114 posted on 01/20/2013 11:50:58 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Tekgeek

Here is the current list of security personnel at Sidwell. There are 11 security positions, 7 of which are “special police officers”.

https://www.sidwell.edu/directories/index.aspx?FirstName=&LastName=&DepartmentTypeID=78&DivisionID=&sortBy=LastName&LinkID=&DirectoryModuleID=341&pageaction=VPFaculty


115 posted on 01/21/2013 12:00:28 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: grundle

Actually I kind of doubt the Secret Service would allow that.

I recall the photo a month or so ago here on FR of an agent with his hand covering a New York cop’s holstered sidearm.


116 posted on 01/21/2013 12:29:00 AM PST by expat1000
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To: grundle

Obama, Biden, Wasserman-Schultz, and the whole damned government and Democrat Party openly and constantly repeat proven lies. But they just get even angrier and repeat the same lies when confronted with the truth. Over and over, practice makes perfect, repetition until it becomes the defacto truth.

We are not in a ‘debate’ here. We are in a conflict that represents our very freedom, and I don’t care one whit about this particular fact being true or not. It’s what the Democrats would do.

The reason that school’s guards are apparently not continually armed is that it is highly likely the Secret Service has removed the greatest nearby possible threat to their charges. If the SS were not there, they would be armed, you betcha.


117 posted on 01/21/2013 2:17:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ArmstedFragg
I also look at guys like Edward Bernays and George Creel for further study on propaganda and public manipulation. They were pioneers in the field.

If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that it is possible, at least up to a certain point and within certain limits.

-Bernays

In his 1965 autobiography, Bernays recalls a dinner at his home in 1933 where

Karl von Wiegand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, an old hand at interpreting Europe and just returned from Germany, was telling us about Goebbels and his propaganda plans to consolidate Nazi power. Goebbels had shown Wiegand his propaganda library, the best Wiegand had ever seen. Goebbels, said Wiegand, was using my book Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. This shocked me. ... Obviously the attack on the Jews of Germany was no emotional outburst of the Nazis, but a deliberate, planned campaign.
118 posted on 01/21/2013 4:24:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jeff Winston

>>So I take it that’s a vote that we should say any and all kinds of BS, just as long as it makes us look good and those we oppose look bad. We can tell any lie we want, right?

>>I think we have a job for you in the Propaganda Department.

First of all, this was a Washington Post “fact check” story. The WaPo Fact Check is leftist propaganda. There is more to the story. Perhaps the Sidwell guards do not carry guns now that the Secret Service is on the premises. Did they carry before the Obama girls arrived? Who knows.

Second, we don’t just “tell any lies we want”. But, if we get busted on some detail or technicality, as this was, we don’t start apologizing and promising to do better in the future, as the poster that I commented on did. But, you know what? The Left DOES tell any lies it wants. It shovels BS on our heads constantly and we smile and take it because some of us, like you, think that the moral victory gained by being passively lied to is better than beating these people. Your grandchildren will curse you for being weak and letting these Marxists roll over you so you could “be the better person”.

Third, I’d rather have a job in the Propaganda Dept of a right-wing regime that WON a freakin’ election than a bed in a re-education camp because the Left knows how to manage the flow of information and propaganda. The “high road” is the road to defeat in today’s America. At this point in time, we need to fight these rats in the trenches. In a media-driven society such as ours, controlling the information is more important than guns. If we man-up and learn to fight them on their turf in the media, we might not need those guns!

Look at all the people who are going on and on about the “coming CW2” and how they’re buying guns to “resist tyranny”. If we can’t even grow a pair big enough to tell the WaPo Fact Check that we don’t accept their version of the truth and then we fall to the ground wailing and begging for forgiveness from our enemies, then how in the hell are we going to actually FIGHT them if the time comes?


119 posted on 01/21/2013 4:45:07 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: babygene

You’re one of the lucky ones........


120 posted on 01/21/2013 5:42:57 AM PST by basil (basil)
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To: grundle

I don’t think I would have let that information out.


121 posted on 01/21/2013 5:50:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: grundle
Maybe Sidwell Friends School security would know.
122 posted on 01/21/2013 5:58:22 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: grundle

I am not sure a mea culpa is indicated here - who actually provides the armed security (the school or the secret services) is a moot point - The real point/issue here is that the girls have de facto armed security (and they should).

IF THEY ARE WORTH ARMED SECURITY - WHY AREN’t ALL CHILDREN WORTH ARMED SECURITY? My daughter at 15 is the same age as the older one. Regardless of the specific details of the security itself i.e., whether or not the school or the secret service is the actual provider, the point to be considered is that all children deserve such security however it is accomplished.


123 posted on 01/21/2013 7:23:52 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: grundle

1. My guess is that the SS actively vets any Special Police Officers that are hired.

2. When the President’s children attend the school all SPOs work for the SS. That may be a constant as their are a lot of embassy kids that go to Sidwell and it would be important to provide the kids with adequate security.

3. I would guess that between the current personnel, the SS and the nearby embassies the school is one of the hardest targets in the world.


124 posted on 01/21/2013 7:36:28 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Bryanw92
It shovels BS on our heads constantly and we smile and take it because some of us, like you, think that the moral victory gained by being passively lied to is better than beating these people.

I'm all for fighting. And I'm all for winning. I just don't think we have to sell our conservative souls, or betray our conservative values, to do so.

125 posted on 01/21/2013 9:49:23 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

>>I’m all for fighting. And I’m all for winning. I just don’t think we have to sell our conservative souls, or betray our conservative values, to do so.

Oh, for crying out loud, we aren’t bashing infants’ heads against a wall! Conservative values do not include letting the enemy choose the time, place, weapons, and terrain for every fight. George Washington won most of his battles by subterfuge. His biggest win was accomplished by sneaking his men across a river at night and attacking on Christmas Day, which was a very unseemly thing to do and would definitely violate your “conservative values”.

The greatest conservative value is individual freedom. In fact, the ONLY conservative value is individual freedom. All other values come from that one thing. We are in a fight for that freedom against a remorseless enemy who will take that away from us. It is their goal!

All I’m saying is that we must fight the battle for hearts and mind using the same tactics they use against us. Those tactices are working and that’s why they are winning. Look at how many people believe that Sarah Palin said “I can see Russia from my house”!

The Left throws a dozen lies up against the wall each week to see which ones stick. The ones that stick get repeated a hundred times in the first 24 hours.

If we say that they’re lying, they just deny.

When we accumulate evidence that they are lying, they claim we are taking them out of context.

When we play the video to prove context, they claim that it isn’t important or that we misunderstand.

When we gather more evidence that it is lie, that their statements were in context, and that what they said is what they meant; they just say, “are you still talking about that? This is a week old and we have more important things to worry about.”

Now, if we do not engage in the same tactics, then they NEVER have to be on the defensive. We play defense constantly and they move the chains on every play.

One rule of combat is “If you find yourself in a fair fight, then your tactics suck!”


126 posted on 01/21/2013 12:14:27 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

I simply don’t agree that we need to or should lie in order to advance conservatism.

I can see that there might be an extraordinary situation in which lying might well be justified. But I don’t think lying as a matter of course is either necessary or advisable for conservatives.

I believe that conservatism is the truth, and that the truth is strong enough to stand on its own. That truth helped defeat the Soviet Union. That truth helped make America the great country we are today.

Gandhi overcame violence with peace. I am not willing to become the enemy in order to “defeat” them.

I have been re-watching the Lord of the Rings movies lately. Boromir attempts to take the Ring, because he knows the Ring gives its holder the power to conquer the world.

Would it have given him that power? Yes, but he would not have been victor over Sauron. He would only have been his replacement. Later, his brother Faramir captures Frodo and decides to send the Ring to Gondor, to give Gondor its power. Galadriel comments that the captain of Gondor (that is, Faramir) has only to stretch out his hand and take the Ring, and all will be lost.

Upon seeing the power of the Ring to corrupt even Frodo, Faramir changes his mind and releases the Ring-bearer to continue his quest to destroy the Ring. In fact, he decides he is even willing to forfeit his life in order to do so. And that one decision makes a difference between a failure that looks like a victory, and a real victory.

And yes, it’s just a story. But great stories are great because they reflect the principles of real life.

Conservatism is strong enough to stand on the truth. That is what I believe. If you believe otherwise, then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.


127 posted on 01/21/2013 4:27:27 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: grundle
Do you not find it odd that the Breitbart story was published the 24th of December yet it took the WaPo until the 17th of January to come up with this story?

Some folks are easily fooled.

128 posted on 01/22/2013 8:57:56 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown

My mom and I were talking about school security. She’s a retired teacher. She and I agreed, when I was in High School the principle was armed. Never saw the weapon, he never had to use it. It was also assumed, back then, that several other male teachers and coaches had weapons available. That was then, I guess. I do know for sure, that on any given day, from October till february at least 20 vehicles on campus, had a rifle or shotgun available. Hunting season.

It would seem to me, especially with elementary, pre-school, or middle school kids, that protecting your students must be your top priority.

I’m wondering where Breitbart got his information? I’m pretty sure they didn’t just pull it out of their ass.

Oh, kinda as an afterthought. I was called to the office one day in high school. Wondered wtf? cause you didn’t just get called out of class for nothing. One of the coaches met me. “David, you need to go out to your truck and put your shotgun behind the seat.” He was worried about someone breaking in my vehicle and stealing my shotgun.


129 posted on 01/22/2013 9:21:25 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: grundle
The truth of the matter is, the left is one massive hypocrisy machine on this issue, and needs no apology.

They are using this tragedy and the graves of these children to advance one of their pet issues in a time of crisis.

They deserve ridicule and contempt, not apologies.

130 posted on 01/22/2013 9:28:55 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: facedown

Either that, or someone was pressured to say the “right” things. The jury is still out on this on. I would not be surprised to see one of the Security personnel come out and say they do carry guns.


131 posted on 01/23/2013 1:22:55 PM PST by celmak
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