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No, Sidwell Friends School has no armed guards [We Obama critics were wrong on this one]
Washington Post ^ | January 18, 2013 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 01/20/2013 6:49:30 PM PST by grundle

The National Rifle Association is airing a television ad (and has on its website this four-minute video) that says the private school that President Obama’s daughters attend, Sidwell Friends School, has 11 armed guards. It doesn’t.

In fact, it has no armed guards. My Post colleague Glenn Kessler, who writes The Fact Checker column, wrote about the issue here and quoted Ellis Turner, associate head of Sidwell Friends, as saying: “Sidwell Friends security officers do not carry guns.”

Parents and students say they have never seen one either.

The president’s children are protected by Secret Service agents, which is required by federal law, but that is not the same thing as armed school resource officers.

The Fact Checker, who hands out “Pinocchios” depending on how accurate — or inaccurate — a particular story is, gave the NRA and its ad the worst possible rating, four Pinocchios. Whereas three Pinocchios are given for “significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions,” four Pinocchios are given for “whoppers.”

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KEYWORDS: guncontrol; obamafamily; schoolsecurity; sidwellfriends; usss
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To: cripplecreek
BTW, what kind of weapon is that SS guy holding in the picture?

Fully automatic?

51 posted on 01/20/2013 7:30:30 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: grundle

My guess is that when Obama’s kids showed up, the regular guards were replaced with Secret Service.

I doubt all the other libs who have been sending their kids for all these years to Sidwell did so knowing there were no armed guards.


52 posted on 01/20/2013 7:31:34 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: boop
BTW, what kind of weapon is that SS guy holding in the picture?

I can't be sure but I'm guessing that most people would use the generic term and call it an Uzi. Almost 1000 rounds per minute I believe.
53 posted on 01/20/2013 7:34:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle
it turns out that I, and many others here, were wrong about Obama's daughters' school employing armed guard.

Have you seen these Breitbart pieces?

School Obama's Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards

If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.

The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

D.C. School (Sidwell Friends) Posts Job Opening for Police Officer

Before the horrific crime at Sandy Hook Elementary even took place, some schools in our nation were already putting armed security and police officers on their campuses. As a matter of fact, one such school—Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC—posted a job opening for a night shift police officer on Nov. 28, so they could have protection around the clock.

According to the posting, the position "is the overnight/midnight shift," and they made it clear that candidates would have to provide copies of their training credentials, SPO license, and professional references.


54 posted on 01/20/2013 7:36:10 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: grundle

Well, at least now I understand why people were upset. I knew they didn’t have armed guards, and I presumed the people who did the video were smart enough to check that, and that they were talking about Secret Service agents, who are armed.

And of course, that’s not because Obama is an elitist, but because he’s the President.

Of course, does anybody really think one of the kids at Sidwell Friends is going to show up and shoot their classmates?


55 posted on 01/20/2013 7:38:02 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: grundle

They lied about Jeep moving manufacturing to China to help Ubama get reelected. Why wouldn’t they lie about this?


56 posted on 01/20/2013 7:39:13 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Bryanw92; grundle; porter_knorr; bgill; bitt

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57 posted on 01/20/2013 7:40:04 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I disagree. Any federal employee who has a reasonable risk of being a target of terrorists based on their job within the government should have an armed guard to protect them.

We don’t leave our own hanging out to dry. You might as well claim that our troops shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns.


58 posted on 01/20/2013 7:41:21 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: grundle

I bet this is all a matter of semantics. They may not have “armed guards” carrying weapons, but I bet there are people at the school that have weapons available to them if they need them.


59 posted on 01/20/2013 7:41:44 PM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: Artcore

Yeah—I got it—duh!

My point gives a different take on the article. Do you get that?


60 posted on 01/20/2013 7:43:02 PM PST by basil (basil)
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To: cableguymn; All
Their orders are likely to protect the girls at any and all costs. And that does not include hunting down an active shooter unless he is the room with the girls.

Can you imagine the negative PR that both the WH and the SS would get if this was the case and other students / teachers / staff got harmed? Hopefully, the SS has done some careful planning and has enough personnel at the school to handle such contingencies.

By the way, I agree with your signature line.

61 posted on 01/20/2013 7:44:35 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: LucyT

I’ve been thinking about the rules for radicals and feel like we desperately need a serious conversation at FR about how they’re being used against conservatives.


62 posted on 01/20/2013 7:44:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"You might as well claim that our troops shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns. "

They are likely still disarmed at Ft. Hood and in the presence of their fearless leaders.

63 posted on 01/20/2013 7:46:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Iron Munro

http://www.sidwell.edu/news/article/index.aspx?linkid=32603&moduleid=379

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gregory-mocks-lapierre-proposing-armed-guards-sends-kids-high-security-school_691057.html

http://theambientvoices.blogspot.com/2012/05/ronald-security-sidwell-friends-school.html


64 posted on 01/20/2013 7:47:47 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Amendment10

when was the last time the SS held a press conference?

Do you think they care what others thing of the way they do their job?


65 posted on 01/20/2013 7:48:18 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You might as well claim that our troops shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns.

You make a good point.I should have specified that members of the Armed Forces weren't included.Other than that...I stand by it.They're no better than am I or my family.If they plan to deny me the right to defend myself and my family I'll gladly....enthusiastically...return the favor.

66 posted on 01/20/2013 7:50:36 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Red State Secession Is The Only Answer)
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To: grundle

If this school has the kids of the very rich and powerful attending it, it is likely that other children may have body guards. Kidnapping is a very real threat for the families of the rich and powerful. Who knows how many body guards are normally around watching their client’s children at a given time. With the Obama kids there they might have to pass high security qualifications. With only unarmed security guards the school could hardly go very far in guaranteeing parents their children’s safety.


67 posted on 01/20/2013 7:52:02 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: grundle

Don’t be stupid... Of course the SS is not going to allow others to posses guns in the school. Thrus me the school is heavly armed... even though it may not be paid for by the school directly. WE are paying for it.


68 posted on 01/20/2013 7:52:04 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The embassies ALL have automatic weapons ~ nobody's fooling anybody about security in that area.

What is it the union guys call someone who doesn't pay dues? FREE RIDER, right? By analogy Sidwell is a FREE RIDER on the automatic firearms defenses in place around them. They know that and so do the elitist who send they's chillun to that school.

69 posted on 01/20/2013 7:52:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: grundle
Guys with guns are on the school premises whenever the President's kids are there. That sounds like "armed guards" to me. There are certainly more guns in that school everyday than there were in Sandy Hook school until the police arrived after 27 people were killed.

How many shots could a suicidal attacker get off at Sidwell even if he was carrying banned "assault weapons" with 30 round magazines?

70 posted on 01/20/2013 7:53:29 PM PST by eggman (End the Obama occupation of the White House!)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't like the armed guards, either. They would likely be useless in a terrorist attack. A better choice is to allow teachers and staff who pass rigorous psych tests and training to carry concealed. In college, I would even allow students to carry who are licensed. The more guns in responsible hands, the less likely we will face a Baslan situation. Baslan - it is only a matter of when, not if...
71 posted on 01/20/2013 7:55:42 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: grundle

That school is an armed fortress. They’re just playing semantic games.


72 posted on 01/20/2013 7:56:03 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: basil

Remember how sick we were are seeing and hearing about Chelsea Clinton?

... or Amy Carter


73 posted on 01/20/2013 7:56:29 PM PST by Optimist
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To: eggman
How many shots could a suicidal attacker get off at Sidwell even if he was carrying banned "assault weapons" with 30 round magazines?

Not even one. He wouldn't get anywhere near a door before he was laying in a pool of his own blood on the ground.

74 posted on 01/20/2013 7:59:07 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: grundle

Uh huh.

And the left is cutting taxes.
And the left is cutting spending.
And the left wants to preserve gun rights.


75 posted on 01/20/2013 7:59:30 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

You may be right. What is certainly true is that there are enough kids of the rich and famous there, that friendly guns are always nearby. This article ,even if technically correct, is misleading.


76 posted on 01/20/2013 7:59:50 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: basil

” Remember how sick we were are seeing and hearing about Chelsea Clinton?”

No I don’t...


77 posted on 01/20/2013 8:00:29 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: grundle

In fact, Sidewell isn’t even a school.

It’s a computer warehouse. :)


78 posted on 01/20/2013 8:02:12 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I’m not a fan of the armed guards idea for all schools...”

Then you had better read this: http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Active-shooters-in-schools-The-enemy-is-denial/

If you don’t believe that armed guards are necessary to protect your children, then I pray for their safety because of your ignorance!


79 posted on 01/20/2013 8:02:51 PM PST by vette6387
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To: FreeAtlanta

My issue with the armed guards idea is that we just don’t need them. There just isn’t a crazed gunman hiding in the bushes outside every school in America.

Statistically the number of random school shootings is so low that you really can’t deal with it effectively. The best thing we could do is eliminate the gun free zones and allow school districts and personnel to make their own choices which keeps a gunman guessing.


80 posted on 01/20/2013 8:04:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

They currently have a job opening for an SPO - Special Police Officer.

http://www.sidwell.edu/news/article/index.aspx?linkid=32603&moduleid=379

DC SPOs can carry guns and make arrests. In DC Public schools they are required to carry guns.

http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/About+DCPS/Career+Opportunities/Support+Our+Schools/View+All+Jobs/Special+Police+Officer

Qualifications
•Required to possess and maintain a valid motor vehicle operator’s permit and acquire and maintain a District of Columbia operator’s permit to operate a D.C. government motor vehicle.
•Required to work rotating shifts, weekends and holidays.
•Required to carry and use firearms.
•Required to maintain a valid Special Police Officer’s Commission from the Metropolitan Police Department.
•Required to wear a uniform and/or protective clothing.
•Must possess a minimum of five (5) years of experience in law enforcement, physical security, military training or a combination of experience.
•Must possess a minimum of a high school diploma or GED equivalency. Two (2) years collegiate academic course work may be substituted for one (1) year of experience.
•Must currently be qualified as an SPO in the District of Columbia.
•Personnel security investigation required.
•A medical examination is required.
•This position is subject to the Lautenberg Amendment/Domestic Violence Misdemeanor Amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968.
•Must comply with Drug Abuse Testing Program requirements.
•Provide proof of U.S. Citizenship.
•Firearms testing and qualification required.
•License/Certification: CPR Techniques, First Aid and Valid State Drivers License
•One-year probationary period required.
•Male applicants born after December 31, 1962 must complete a Pre-Employment Certification Statement for Selective Service Registration.
•Required to successfully complete a 90-day training period of the rules, procedures, duties, equipment operations and recognition of policies of the division.


81 posted on 01/20/2013 8:07:18 PM PST by Tekgeek
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To: vette6387

Guess I’m not a frightened little bunny.

100,000 schools in America. Care to do the math on the percentages of those that have had random mass shootings in the last 10 years? (excluding inner city gang violence)


82 posted on 01/20/2013 8:09:17 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: grundle

Saying that they do not have armed guards is a bit dishonest, since it is only half of the story. As various posters have said, the SS is there, and they are armed.

It’s like saying “There is no gun in my left hand.” It’s in the right hand, of course.


83 posted on 01/20/2013 8:10:28 PM PST by lurk
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To: Bryanw92
OMG...we are our own worst enemy.

The flip side of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals #4 "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules" is "We must hold ourselves to a higher standard."

84 posted on 01/20/2013 8:17:30 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: grundle

Ok, I’ll split the difference here. The school doesn’t have armed guards. It has armed Secret Service agents.


85 posted on 01/20/2013 8:17:43 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: DBrow

Special Police Officer

Sidwell Friends School is seeking full-time Special Police Officers. Applicants must have a current SPO license, have the ability to pass criminal background checks & drug/alcohol testing, have basic computer skills, write clear concise reports, prepare preliminary investigative reports, interview witnesses, suspects & victims. Sidwell offers a competitive salary and benefits package. Send, fax, or email your resume, a copy of your current driver’s & Special Police Officer licenses to Human Resources to:

Human Resources
Sidwell Friends School

3825 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20016

FAX: (202) 537-2418

www.sidwell.edu

hr@sidwell.edu

http://classic.sidwell.edu/employment/special_police_officer.htm

you can also look at the sidewell site and directory for security, I think there are 11 current security employees and they had one or two openings, it’s been weeks since I looked, I don’t remember the details.


86 posted on 01/20/2013 8:21:26 PM PST by porter_knorr
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To: cripplecreek

“Guess I’m not a frightened little bunny.”

No, just an ostrich!


87 posted on 01/20/2013 8:23:05 PM PST by vette6387
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To: CharlesWayneCT

‘You might as well claim that our troops shouldn’t be allowed to carry guns.’

They are not allowed to carry guns while on base. That is why so many people where killed in Fort Hood. They had to wait for the Base Police Officer to arrive. Yet these same victims are possibly the most highly trained AND experienced weapon carriers around.


88 posted on 01/20/2013 8:24:29 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: jimbobfoster

Assuming Sidwell has some very wealthy and high profile kids other than the presidents girls this is not a carpool in the van crowd Our son attended a private school, two kids in his class had private bodyguards at all times, they were not politicians kids. The one family was Jewish with vast international wealth and their concern was that their kids could be targets for anti-Semitic groups as well as kidnapping for ransom.


89 posted on 01/20/2013 8:33:25 PM PST by Toespi
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To: Bryanw92

Romney kills fires man after learning his wife has cancer...


90 posted on 01/20/2013 8:34:18 PM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: grundle

Yet there are indeed armed guards at the school when the royal kids are there.


91 posted on 01/20/2013 8:45:00 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: grundle

However, it turns out that I, and many others here, were wrong about Obama’s daughters’ school employing armed guard.>>>>>>>>>>>>

The NRA video was correct, and this thread article is just disinformational spin designed to defuse the EFFECTIVE NRA video.

Thats not what Sidwell Friends school advertise when they want to hire a Security officer, they require Applicants must have a current SPO license( i.e. armed), or else they would not require the current SPO license, any former police officer with relevant experience would do:

This is verbatum from their careers page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2978758/posts?page=26#26

January 16, 2013 5:33:15 PM · 26 of 30
Candor7 to freeangel
Sidwell Friends Employment Advertisement:

Special Police Officer

Posted: August 10, 2012

Sidwell Friends School, a coeducational Quaker day school located in the Tenleytown area of Washington, DC, is seeking a full-time Special Police Officer.

The ideal candidate will have above average computer skills and knowledge to assist security officers with security systems, reports on line, access control systems, video retention, camera surveillance and training of officers on maximum computer use for daily activities.

Applicants must have a current SPO license; have the ability to pass criminal background checks & drug/alcohol testing. The ideal candidate will have the ability to write clear concise reports, prepare preliminary investigative reports, as well as interview witnesses, suspects & victims.

This is a full-time hourly position which include free parking, lunch and an attractive benefits package, with retirement plan inclusive of employer match.

Mail, fax, or email resume, information for three references and a copy of your current driver’s & Special Police Officer licenses to: HR@sidwell.edu

Human Resources
Sidwell Friends School
3825 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20016
Fax: (202) 537-2418

http://www.sidwell.edu/news/article/index.aspx?linkid=32603&moduleid=379


92 posted on 01/20/2013 8:45:55 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Tekgeek

In the District of Columbia, only police officers and members of the military (in the course of their duties only) can lawfully carry loaded firearms. Thus, security personnel who work in an armed capacity must be commissioned as District of Columbia Special Police Officers in order to carry a weapon (this law does not apply on federal property, so security personnel who work in federal buildings do not have to become DC SPO’s, although their guns may not leave their building under any circumstances).

They security at Sidwell are armed, which is why their advertisement for a security opficer requires an SPO licence.


93 posted on 01/20/2013 8:50:30 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

you can be an spo and not be armed


94 posted on 01/20/2013 8:51:53 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: cripplecreek
In fact, if the guards were armed, the secret service very likely required them to be disarmed.

That's what I'm thinking. Too many of America's political royalty go to that school not to have armed protection. I wouldn't expect the WP to dig too deeply for the facts either.

95 posted on 01/20/2013 8:57:18 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: rolling_stone

you can be an spo and not be armed>>>>>>>>>>

True. But why bother? One does not have to be an SPO to work as unarmed security in as DC private security.

To work armed in DC in private security, one has to have an SPO licence.

Thats the point I was trying to make. The attack on the NRA is bogus. Sidwell wants the option to arm its security officers, or does arm them.Their ad proves it.


96 posted on 01/20/2013 9:02:34 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: rolling_stone

“you can be an spo and not be armed”

What is so difficult for some people to understand? Many of the kids at that school are very high-value targets to bad people, and therefore are protected by armed guards wherever they go.

These parents ARE NOT going to just drop their kids off at the same place every day and leave them at the mercy of some nut off the street with a 38 Special.

The First Amendment permits the media to basically publish whatever they want - it DOES NOT require us to believe all of it - especially when it’s sheer lunacy and serves a political agenda.

...and finally, even if the school were willing to leave their kids TOTALLY UNPROTECTED (except for the times when a president has kids enrolled), would they really announce that to the world, via the Washington Post?


97 posted on 01/20/2013 9:03:44 PM PST by BobL
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To: grundle

So who started this info in the first place? The commies themselves, knowing that they would spring the truth on us later?

Or did someone just assume they were armed. I hate when we bumble into this kind of stuff and repeat it without our own fact checking. Now the commies will accuse us of “lying” about the guards.

And what took this new info so long to get out?


98 posted on 01/20/2013 9:06:05 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: BobL; Candor7

http://theambientvoices.blogspot.com/2012/05/ronald-security-sidwell-friends-school.html

see #5 below

General Order 308.07 effective Septemeber 28, 1993

3. The term “special police officer,” is any person who is commissioned pursuant to the provisions of D.C. Code, § 4-114 (1981) and other regulations which have been approved pursuant to this act, and who may be authorized to carry a weapon.

D. Special Police Officers.

1. Special police officers are privately commissioned police officers with full arrest powers within an area or premises which the officer has been employed to protect. The commission is conditional and is required to be renewed each year.

2. Special police officers may be appointed by the Mayor for duty in connection with the property of or under the charge of a corporation or individual requesting the appointment. Special police officers shall be strictly confined in their authority to the particular place or property which they are commissioned to protect.

3. Commissions issued to special police officers shall specify the following:

a. The particular place or property they are commissioned to protect (this information is normally kept in the form of a contract list which is available for inspection at the Security Officers Manage­ment Branch);

b. Any waiver of the uniform requirement;

c. Firearm authorization status; and

d. In the case of DCMR Title 6-A, Chapter 11, Section 1101.2, any requirement for storage or special provisions for transportation of firearms or other dangerous weapons.

4. Special police officers are normally in uniform as required by DCMR Title 6-A, Chapter 11, Section 1109, however, upon request a uniform waiver may be granted.

5. Special police officers may be authorized to bear firearms, however, they must meet additional requirements which includes completing an annual firearms training course.

6. The holder of a special police officer’s commission is not authorized to take police action on public space, except when in fresh pursuit from an authorized location. The holder of a special police officer’s commission may not take police action on private property, unless their employing agency has contracted with the owner of the private property to render security related services. Violations may result in the revocation of both the agency’s license and special police officer’s commission.

7. Special police officers are explicitly prohibited from engaging in roving patrols on public space. However, officers may travel upon public space to get from one job site to another and the most direct route must be taken. Any deviations of armed special police officers traveling between job sites may subject the officer to arrest for firearms violations and the revocation of their commission.

8. No person shall be appointed as a special police officer pursuant to D.C. Code §4- 114, and DCMR Title 6-A, Chapter 11, unless they meet the following require­ments:

a. Have reached the age of twenty-one (21) years;
b. Be a citizen of the United States;
c. Be of good moral character;
d. Be approved for appointment by the Chief of Police.


99 posted on 01/20/2013 9:10:46 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: cripplecreek

You might consider David Kahane’s “Rules for Radical Conservatives” as a text.

FWIW: For the last ten years, I’ve been handing out Alinsky’s book to Republican candidates when I discovered they were being attacked with his tactics. I’ve never had one read it, even when I cut it down to just the actual rules. A significant number of those candidates are now out of office, and probably still haven’t figured out what happened to them.


100 posted on 01/20/2013 9:17:54 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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