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Obama: Entitlements ‘Do Not Make Us A Nation Of Takers’
TPM ^ | 21 Jan 13 | Pema Levy

Posted on 01/21/2013 4:48:32 PM PST by SkyPilot

President Obama defended the idea of entitlements like Medicare and Social Security in his second inaugural address Monday, arguing that these programs strengthen the nation and free Americans to "take the risks that make this country great."

"We reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future," Obama said. "For we remember the lessons of our past, when twilight years were spent in poverty, and parents of a child with a disability had nowhere to turn."

He continued: "We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, any one of us, at any time, may face a job loss, or a sudden illness, or a home swept away in a terrible storm. The commitments we make to each other – through Medicare, and Medicaid, and Social Security – these things do not sap our initiative; they strengthen us. They do not make us a nation of takers; they free us to take the risks that make this country great."

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KEYWORDS: debt; entitlements; obama; takers
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To: Farmer Dean

That thought has crossed my mind more than once, FRiend.


51 posted on 01/21/2013 6:37:02 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
And this is suppose to be a benefit?

They tell us it is an ENTITLEMENT.

52 posted on 01/21/2013 6:38:28 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
This cannot be undone without massive civil unrest, so it will continue until America is no more and everyone becomes slaves for their pay.

Or until the new slave the Working Amercan, rebels...

53 posted on 01/21/2013 6:41:06 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: SkyPilot

This A-hole is the biggest, lying BS’er in history. What a mental midget.


54 posted on 01/21/2013 6:41:40 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Retired Chemist
Notice how the Prez didn't mention Welfare, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing or the infamous Low Income Tax Credit?

Those are the TAKER Programs.

He purposely included the “funded” Entitlements that are meant for the same people who paid into them throughout their working lives to elicit the exact reaction you Posted.

As usual, he is playing us for fools. I'm sorry, he is playing the Useful Idiots for the fools they are.

55 posted on 01/21/2013 6:46:25 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
By what stretch of the imagination, did these “Takers” become entitiled to all of these programs. Entitled, Entitlement, by what manner of sophistry did these people become wards of the state>>>???
56 posted on 01/21/2013 6:50:02 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: SkyPilot

Your Honor,

It was not theft.

My client killed the two people in the home and stole their money and a large TV, for the greater good.

He was merely doing nightwork, part time, to redistribute to the masses, what was not the deceased’s property, by Executive Order and Obama’s Gettysburg Address of January 21, 2013.

/s


57 posted on 01/21/2013 7:00:06 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: SkyPilot

Communist Tyrant Hussein Obama began his second illegal regime yesterday.

Tyrant Obama seeks revenge, and has the Democrats pledged to support his continued destruction of the United States of America.

GAME ON Obama, GAME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


58 posted on 01/21/2013 7:01:45 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SkyPilot
He continued: "We do not believe that in this country, freedom is reserved for the lucky, or happiness for the few.

Oh, so now freedom means entitlements.

59 posted on 01/21/2013 7:04:09 PM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: SkyPilot

So, if you aren’t TAKING the money from me, then I don’t have to give it up, RIGHT??

And the IRS won’t come after me, RIGHT??

No? Oh. Please explain.


60 posted on 01/21/2013 7:25:53 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SkyPilot

I’d like to ask Obama what behavior would make us a nation of takers?


61 posted on 01/21/2013 7:57:55 PM PST by Jmathes
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To: publius911

Dwayne Johnson? Is that you?


62 posted on 01/21/2013 7:59:58 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BooBoo1000

You tell me and we’ll both know.


63 posted on 01/21/2013 8:03:05 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: SkyPilot

His “risks” are what are destroying this country.


64 posted on 01/21/2013 8:19:00 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Retired Chemist; publius911; Kickass Conservative
I don’t consider myself a taker. I’m receiving Social Security, a program I’ve paid into for 50 years and am still paying into.

I'm in the same situation.

I think it's high time we made a very large distinction between Social Security where you pay into it for your working life and get it back when you retire vs programs like Food Stamps, Obamaphones, AFDC, WIC, etc. where the true takers are directly supported by the taxpayers without making any contribution themselves.

Social Security is an earned entitlement. The rest of the entitlements are unearned entitlements.

65 posted on 01/21/2013 8:36:40 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: SkyPilot

Medicare and Social Security which is TAKEN out of my check, which was TAKEN out of my Parents and Grandparents checks IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!

I swear to the Living, Loving GOD I cannot take one more person spouting this BUL&SH&T!


66 posted on 01/21/2013 8:45:59 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike
Medicare and Social Security which is TAKEN out of my check, which was TAKEN out of my Parents and Grandparents checks IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT!

Well, aren't you "entitled" to it?

67 posted on 01/21/2013 8:52:50 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Shadowstrike

Addiction is hard to kick, huh?


68 posted on 01/21/2013 9:15:25 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: SkyPilot

So says the lying scumbag, the African communist, the President of the Democrats of the United States.
That piece of sh** can drop dead.


69 posted on 01/21/2013 9:18:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: publius911
Doesn't matter what you think. Your Social Security benefits are no more or less earned than the welfare queen with 12 kids by 12 different baby-daddys, or the babbling alcoholic who has never held a job, or the able-bodied willingly ignorant who "qualify" for permanent disability...

Horse manure.
Anybody who dumps money down the government toilet their whole working life deserves to take back whatever they can. You better believe my SS checks will be well spent on boat payments and casino trips.

70 posted on 01/21/2013 9:23:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Yes, I am “entitled” to it, but not in the sense you and alot of others are chosing to mean.

Are illegals who have paid not one cent into the system “entitled” to it...Shouldn’t be, but they are.

How about Welfare and Food Stamps, are any of us “entitled” to it? In a way. everybody needs help sometimes, especially in these times. Should MOST of the people on Welfare and Food Stamps, and in Public Housing be on these programs, no they should NOT.

When times hit my family hard, and we swallowed our pride and applied (many years ago) for Food Stamps, we were denied.

Do you know that OUR Government in running “Public Service Announcements” in Mexico, TELLING them how to come to our Country and get ALL the help they need?


71 posted on 01/25/2013 8:10:58 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

And what exactly do you mean by that?


72 posted on 01/25/2013 8:12:06 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike
Yes, I am “entitled” to it, but not in the sense you and alot of others are chosing to mean.

Don't presume to tell me what I am "chosing to mean"

Are illegals who have paid not one cent into the system “entitled” to it.

No.

How about Welfare and Food Stamps, are any of us “entitled” to it?

No.

Do you know that OUR Government in running “Public Service Announcements” in Mexico, TELLING them how to come to our Country and get ALL the help they need?

Yes.

73 posted on 01/25/2013 9:02:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Shadowstrike

Hard to wean oneself off the government teat, ain’t it?


74 posted on 01/25/2013 9:49:52 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I read what Shadowstrike said and your accusation- in a snide way- that they are on the government teat. Some assumption about someone you don’t know-especially when they are COMPLAINING about those who are. You have a strange mind. And having what looks to be American Indians on your page is even more ironic-seeing as how so many of them ARE government dependent.


75 posted on 01/26/2013 2:31:39 PM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: ClearBlueSky

Your screen name is apt since you have, out of a clear blue sky, jumped on a day old thread that didn’t concern you, but I am sure that SS appreciates you riding in to save the day. Sorry, but there are many “anti-Big Handout Conservatives” who bitch and moan about freeloading welfare takers while at the same time they are collecting a government check themselves. As someone young enough to have no expectation that Soc Sec will exist by the time I retire, yeah, I think of current Soc Sec recipients as being of the same ilk as welfare recipients, and they certainly act like they are entitled to the hand out, justifying themselves by talking about how many worthless devalued 1960s and 1970s dollars they paid into the system. All of the old-timers will jump on me for saying so, but Soc Sec is ruining us every bit as much as food stamps and welfare checks.


76 posted on 01/26/2013 2:51:51 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Retired Chemist

“I don’t consider myself a taker. I’m receiving Social Security, a program I’ve paid into for 50 years and am still paying into.”

Not to pick an intergenerational fist fight, but it doesn’t matter what you “consider yourself”.

What you “paid into” for 50 years was taken from you.

That doesn’t mean that folks today who pay for your benefits are not also “taken from”.

So you are getting an entitlement. You have to accept the truth, regardless of what you wish it to be.

There are a lot of people getting entitlements that are paid for by people who have their money taken from them today (or money taken from their children, most of whom haven’t even been born yet - and may never be born because of it).

take your check. spend it as you will. But accept the truth of where the money is coming from.


77 posted on 01/26/2013 3:04:04 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Last of the Mohicans
they certainly act like they are entitled to the hand out, justifying themselves by talking about how many worthless devalued 1960s and 1970s dollars they paid into the system

You see those dollars as "worthless and devalued", because they are today - which is all you've ever known. They weren't when those people were having them taken from their pay.

Your attitude and conclusions are based on your experience, which is considerably more limited than theirs. The idea that they should discard attitudes and conclusions based on their own depth of experience and adopt those based on your own perspective based on a much shallower pool of experience is, IMHO, just another form of "it's all about ME".

78 posted on 01/26/2013 3:05:05 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“One of the most disgusting things about this President is that he wants the public to think his opponents see people like you and people like the guy with a Gucci hat and an iPhone buying steak at the checkout line with an EBT card (stole that last part from Iowahawk) as the same sort of person. “

The unfortunate thing is that the taxpayer who pays for it all can’t tell the difference.


79 posted on 01/26/2013 3:11:01 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Kickass Conservative

“Those are the TAKER Programs”

Again, the taxpayer can’t tell the difference. They have to pay and pay - government gets more than they do.

Government Spending is Government Spending. It is all immoral when it is taken from somebody who earned it in such proportions as to guarantee their future impoverishment.


80 posted on 01/26/2013 3:14:54 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Lancey Howard

“....deserves to take back whatever they can. “

At least you are using the right word: “Take”. Honesty often leads to irony.


81 posted on 01/26/2013 3:19:13 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: tacticalogic

Yes, it is all about ME paying into Soc Sec for 25 years now, many of those years with six figure income, and getting jack squat when I retire in another 25 years. So, yeah, I’m grumpy.


82 posted on 01/26/2013 3:38:54 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: RFEngineer

I thought “steal” back might sound a little harsh, but that’s fine, too.
“Take”, “steal” - - whatever - - as much as possible....
....before the Democrat parasites gobble it all up.


83 posted on 01/26/2013 5:01:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Last of the Mohicans
I think of current Soc Sec recipients as being of the same ilk as welfare recipients

I think you sound like an imbecile.

84 posted on 01/26/2013 5:09:08 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

You must bone of the folks I was speaking of, correct? Hard to give up the entitlement check, isn’t it?


85 posted on 01/26/2013 5:28:53 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Last of the Mohicans
Hard to give up the entitlement check, isn’t it?

Hey, those checks help with boat payments, greens fees, and casino trips.

86 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: SkyPilot

It must be so hard to the little brains of some to distinguish between the welfare payments in return for nothing, and the social security payments in return for a lifetime of confiscatory taxes that we had no power to stop or lower, and would prefer to have invested the money in bank deposit certificates at the very least. I suppose the 401K payments are to these little brains “entitlements” as well.


87 posted on 01/26/2013 5:36:36 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Oh, well maybe I am the imbecile! ;-)


88 posted on 01/26/2013 5:59:52 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Lancey Howard

“....before the Democrat parasites gobble it all up.”

but “it” represents the labor, blood, sweat, and tears of someone who truly did something.

That’s what I can’t get over - how people can gloss over that in this whole debate. It’s tragic.

Whenever liberals and so-called conservatives agree on something, like these sorts of entitlement programs, we’re surely screwed.


89 posted on 01/26/2013 7:19:59 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
Whenever liberals and so-called conservatives agree on something, like these sorts of entitlement programs, we’re surely screwed.

There's no agreement at all.

I never signed up for SS but was forced to support the Ponzi scheme for over 40 years. Now it's my turn to "recover" at least some of the money I was forced to dump down the government toilet. Nothing "liberal" about that.

The Democrats (communists, liberals, whatever), on the other hand, believe that the worthless welfare/food stamp crowd and their litters, who never contributed anything to anybody, are "entitled" to the fruits of other people's labor... "free stuff", confiscated from productive citizens and handed over in exchange for votes. Nothing conservative about that.

I guess part of the problem is the bastardization of the word "entitled". If I support an insurance program like SS my whole working life, then yeah, I am entitled (literally speaking) to reap the rewards. On the other hand the Democrat welfare crowd is entitled (literally speaking) to nothing. The government definition of "entitled" is something else entirely.

90 posted on 01/26/2013 7:44:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

“Now it’s my turn to “recover” at least some of the money I was forced to dump down the government toilet. Nothing “liberal” about that.”

No. Just because taxes were unfairly and unjustly extracted from you in the past does not make it moral for you to do the same to others.

You’re going to take the money. Just have the decency to be honest about where it comes from, that’s all.


91 posted on 01/26/2013 7:50:38 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
You’re going to take the money. Just have the decency to be honest about where it comes from, that’s all.

Have the decency to admit that money is fungible. Look that word up if you have to (and you probably do).
My money in, my money out.

92 posted on 01/26/2013 7:59:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I’m assuming that you’re talking about yourself little troll, but then what could I expect from someone from Colorado.


93 posted on 01/26/2013 8:05:33 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“My money in, my money out.”

In a socialist fantasy land this may be true. In fact, we might even preserve SS and Medicare for a few more years if all you were allowed to take out is what you put in.

No, you’ll be taking a lot more money out than you ever put in.

Just have the decency to admit that you just want to get paid and have no care in the world for those who are forced to pay you.


94 posted on 01/26/2013 8:06:00 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

why not?

You presumed to tell me what I meant.


95 posted on 01/26/2013 8:07:52 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: RFEngineer

I won’t recover nearly what I put in when you factor in even a conservative compound interest, let alone prudent investment strategies. Have the decency to admit you’re a big mouth who worries more about productive, taxpaying American families recovering some of the money confiscated from them by government their whole lives than you do about your Democrat/welfare/food stamp/illegal alien parasites getting handouts their whole lives, handouts paid for by those same productive, taxpaying American families.

Get back to me after you clean up that mess, Bunky.


96 posted on 01/26/2013 8:17:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Shadowstrike

I seem have to struck a nerve. How much does the government pay you off every month?


97 posted on 01/26/2013 8:21:28 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: Lancey Howard

“I won’t recover nearly what I put in when you factor in even a conservative compound interest, let alone prudent investment strategies.”

There is no limit to the appetite people like you (socialists to the core) have for someone elses money who actually earned it.

You fail to understand the obvious: Your money was taxed and spent, not invested on your behalf. I know, honesty and facts don’t mesh with your reality while you are expecting free money from the government.


98 posted on 01/26/2013 8:29:57 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

Just shut up and keep working hard and paying your taxes.
Those SS checks help me with my boat payments and greens fees.


99 posted on 01/26/2013 8:39:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Revolting cat!
Hello cat.

Actually, I will tell you that I believe there is a distinction between "earned" entitlements and blatant "unearned" entitlements.

Let's start with the the most unjust and worst offenders. Social Security Disability is funded by the same pot of money that funds the Social Security General fund.

FOX News ran this story yesterday. The SS fund will may have to decrease payments to everyone in a very short because there are so many people on "disability" and because this country has less workers paying the payroll taxes.

Social Security's disability trust fund could fail to cover all benefits early as 2016

5.4 Million people went on "disability" under Obama, and that number increases by thousands every day. When their unemployment ran out after 99 weeks, they hired a slime ball lawyer and robbed you and me.

As President Lincoln once famously said regarding jobs in cabinet vs. number of people who wanted a high ranking position: "There's too many pigs for the tits." That is our entitlement problem.

Want to be outraged more? A very popular scam among immigrant families is well known among the population. If you are the son or daughter of illegals, and you were born here, you get US citizenship. You then are an "anchor" baby and you serve to keep your illegal parents (and uncles, aunts, etc) here in the US. When they get old, they "want" the same SS you are getting. But they didn't pay those payroll taxes. How to get the $? Easy. They go on SSDI. I am not joking.

Next, let's move on to the Earned Income Tax Credit. This is nothing but a scam that Clinton pulled to "give" away huge tax refunds to "low income" Democrat voters who pay no Federal income taxes.

It has been expanded (again) and now will reward up to $5 grand to these cheaters.

Cash.

Next, let's talk about all forms of welfare (Food Stamps, Section 8, TANF, unemployment, and all the rest). There are over 80 giveaway programs that give away money hand over fist. I think we all agree this is an outrage.

Let's move on to another program that people think they are entitled to. Medicare.

Medicare is about to explode in such massive deficits that I predict it will cease to exist in its present form within just a few years. I believe everyone will be herded into the ObamaCare cages, except the elite. The scary thing about ObamaCare is that the law actually controls healthcare access by race. It is IN the law, and there are "Minority Health" boards that control access. Most low information Americans have no idea this is coming.


128. Centers for Disease Control Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272) 129. Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272) 130. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272) 131. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272) 132. Food and Drug Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272) 133. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)

What all of this means is that we are going to become ancient Rome very, very fast. Much faster than when people realize.

Honestly, I think it all may collapse during Obama's second term. I never used to think that, but I am convinced it may actually occur.

Is there a difference between "earned" and "unearned" entitlements? Yes. I believe there is. Social Security is not Food Stamps, and Food Stamps are not Social Security. I get that. I think most people do as well. The military earned their small pensions (compare them to State pensions and you will get my point).

But groups like AARP and most seniors go ballistic when any form of entitlement reform is brought up.

Listen, we have to reform them all. We start with the "unearned" and we apply reforms to the "earned." If we don't, ALL of these programs will collapse. We are on a knifes edge economically. We may be one crisis away from the tipping point.

100 posted on 01/27/2013 3:24:09 AM PST by SkyPilot
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