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U.S. Post Office cuts threaten source of black jobs
Reuters ^ | Jan 21, 2013 | Mary Wisniewski

Posted on 01/21/2013 8:29:48 PM PST by Lancey Howard

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To: DH
You are attempting to start a flame war. Alas, you just don't have enough writing capability to do that. So, when your letter carrier was covering a larger area on foot he needed a relay box for the mail, else he'd had to carry it the whole way. Some other guy drove around dropping mail for that route in the relay boxes.

Given that there's a very clear trade off in work time between office and street, and that office time, and parts of street time are further categorized as having something to do with administering what's going on, or sorting and handling mail, any given route is going to have different opportunities for productivity improvement.

Turning foot routes into motorized routes enabled every carrier to handle more mail volume, and to get through the route faster. Adding 9 digit zip codes allowed USPS to use machines to sequence the mail for the carrier routes ~ which cut back on office time required to case the mail.

Anyone who's had the slightest experience with carrier service knows these things ~ there are no secrets. The fact you mention none of them suggests you simply don't know enough about the topic to discuss it rationally.

101 posted on 01/22/2013 8:44:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: DH
you can go to my about page and findout all you need. the fact you don't know about our about pages is very disturbing. probably means you are a troll out to cause trouble for FR.

I shall dutifully report your attack to management and they will dispose off you as they see fit.

Somebody get the CATS ready

102 posted on 01/22/2013 8:47:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bert
There are three categories of business related mail.

(1) Business to customer. You see that delivered every day.

(2) Customer to business. You probably never see that since most business that deal big time in mail send a truck over to pick up their mail at the back platform. Carriers don't handle that part.

(3) Then, there's business to business. That consists of things that need to be mailed ~ usually with signatures on them! Much of it simply confirms previous agreements made by phone or other electronic communication. That's been the case for well over 100 years!

Most weekday delivery to retail or other businesses is little different from what householders get ~ many advertisements mixed with a variety of business related pieces, and nasty letters from lawyers. Without lawyers ........... well, you figure that out.

The current problem is a consequence of the Great Obama Recession. Once he figures out that he's the problem and gets out the way, mail volumes will increase.

103 posted on 01/22/2013 8:59:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 1010RD
Until the GOP gets the guts and long term strategy to regain the urban vote we’ll continue to struggle to win national and statewide elections.

GOP: "This medicine may taste bad at first, but it's good for you in the long run."
Rats: "Here ya go - - free stuff!"

Yeah, the GOP needs a better strategy.

104 posted on 01/22/2013 9:16:09 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: 1010RD
Didn't the NYC medallion system for cabbies eliminate having the mob kill cabbies to take over?

Over time the medallions have become worth more and more, and certainly you could eliminate them ~ leaving an awful lot of cab drivers very angry at you, and residual elements of the Sicilian mob, and current Jamaican crews, and Dominican gangs ready to move in and start up killing cabbies so they can make room for their buddies/members.

The medallion system only looks evil ~ the replacement is undoubtedly evil.

105 posted on 01/22/2013 10:01:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lancey Howard

The next issue of City Journal will have an article on how the GOP helps urbanites.

If you’re not reading City Journal you’re missing some of the best conservative ideas on urban life and politics.

We need an aggressive urban agenda. If we could just move urbanites into our camp by a few percentage points the election map would look very good.


106 posted on 01/22/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: muawiyah

How did the medallion save cabbies’ lives? I’d love to hear you explain this.

Keep in mind that the medallion is an arbitrary limit on the number of cabs available. Mafias thrive in oligopolies/monopolies.


107 posted on 01/22/2013 10:59:02 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ladyjane

A real nasty bunch at my post office. Two weeks ago I was shipping a package and thought that MLK Day fell on Monday the 14th. Highly insulted, my clerk hissed, “Don’t you have a calendar?”


108 posted on 01/22/2013 11:15:07 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Lancey Howard; All

I’m surprised the USPS didn’t develop a hosting service and server farms of its own to help bring in income...since electronic communications could be seen as an evolutionary step from paper mail service, it would help the USPS become relevant, profitable, and yet still serve its constitutional niche.

Constitutionally, it would take an amendment to do away with the postal service. Congress could try to close it but the closure would be challenged in court and the courts would say to congress...”you must fund a viable post office or pass an amendment that 3/4th’s of the states must ratify”. The vagaries of the business world could put private mail firms out of business or make it too expensive to send some of the few paper documents that must needs be sent by mail(registered or otherwise).

An organized vigorous country must always need a strong postal system!


109 posted on 01/22/2013 11:24:55 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: muawiyah
You are attempting to start a flame war. Alas, you just don't have enough writing capability to do that.

Alas! You sound just like the snotty, arrogant clerks at my post office.

110 posted on 01/22/2013 11:28:09 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: EnquiringMind

Quit hanging around then you won’t hear it.


111 posted on 01/22/2013 11:37:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 1010RD

mafias thrive at the margins


112 posted on 01/22/2013 11:40:05 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

-——That’s been the case for well over 100 years!-——

The times have changed. In the last 5 years there has not only been a change in routine business mail but in business methods. Business has adapted to new internet communications. The demand for signatures on original documents has decreased dramatically. A document received requiring execution can in many many instances be signed in colored ink and scanned and returned. It is known to be an electronic transmittal.

The list of documents scanned and transmitted is nearly endless and enormous in volume. Tasks that took days or weeks or overnight can be accomplished in one day, even if the participants are on different continents. The reduction of mail extends also to DHL and the other document carriers. Business is neither done by mail nor by phone....... it is done by e mail, sometimes endlessly long e mail chains. Those of us who automatically pick up the phone more often than not get a voice mail box . The party called simply doesnot answer the phone. One quickly leans to send an e mail if any sort of quick response is required.

The other aspect of mail reduction is invoicing and payments. Regular customer invoicing is or can be done by e mail. The same is true pf payments. Money is zapped directly from customer bank to vendor bank with ease. No mail man is involved, no trips to the bank, etc.

When the recession ends, business mail will not appreciably increase. It is simply no longer required like it once was.


113 posted on 01/22/2013 12:14:36 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert
True, and I didn't exclude that ~ but there are still documents that must be sent by mail ~ usually because the document has some intrinsic or sentimental value ~ and such items will always exist.

Then, there are millions of documents that must, if sent, be sent by mail, or sent by some other authorized transportation service under an exception. Checks fall into that category! Clearing house banks have such an exception.

Still, lawyers like to send their bills ~

Called putting the personal touch on your clients!

The biggest single financial hit in postal history occurred when the telephone bills stopped. Used to be a phone bill was required to have XYZ information and sent to a company. Some of those bills went in large boxes, some of them went in many boxes ~ all at First Class postage rates.

Earlier there was a prohibition against having more than one message in a single envelope ~

Most folks probably think ordinary private communications have hurt mail volume. Actually, it's been business communications that've been lost ~ and ever since the telephone was invented, private communications haven't been a major mail component!

The xerox copy increased mail volume for a good long while ~ people who could not earlier afford to make multiple copies suddenly had cheap copies ~ and they sent them. Email has probably subverted some of that, but your meeting notices get lost in the flood of emails for cheap flowers for funerals, and cheap plane tickets to vacation spots on islands you never heard of.

114 posted on 01/22/2013 12:31:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: mdmathis6
The US government has a large setaside for internet addresses. USPS allocates them.

As far as server farms are concerned, that's best kept in private hands in a disaggregated network of equipment.

115 posted on 01/22/2013 12:36:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

OK, so how does limiting a cabbies’ upper mobility by allowing a small oligopoly to control taxi medalions free then from mafia influence?

For instance, how are they different than the slave hire badges of the Antebellum South?

http://www.wakeforestcoins.com/slave%20badges/slave%20badges.htm

Here’s some taxi medallions:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=taxi+medallion&FORM=HDRSC2


116 posted on 01/22/2013 2:39:34 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: muawiyah

Sure.

I have lots of breakables shipped by UPS and Fedex, and they somehow seem to miraculously arrive intact, while the postal service looks likes it give the package the Sampsonite Gorilla Special Treatment, and they smile and shrug.

“So Sorry! Not our problem! You contact shipper. We have our money!”

Screw them. The USPS can rot in shipping provider Hell and shrug their shoulders. I am all too happy to let them carry letters they can mangle but I can still read, but I wouldn’t ship an indestructible anvil with their services.

Nothing personal to any mail carrier out there. Just making a living, I understand.


117 posted on 01/22/2013 3:52:13 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: ladyjane

Well. I have nothing against most mail carriers. Just doing their job.

I wouldn’t ship anything via USPS I wasn’t prepared to totally lose. If my birthday card to someone gets lost, I’ll apologize to the recipient and re-send it.


118 posted on 01/22/2013 3:56:17 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: muawiyah

You still have not answered my question.


119 posted on 01/22/2013 4:20:27 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: EnquiringMind

I laughed at that so hard my sides hurt!

Thanks.


120 posted on 01/22/2013 4:22:49 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: rlmorel
We went through months of difficulty getting UPS to make good on their insurance ~ they'd smashed a computer we sent through them into something about the thickness of a piece of paper.

Best bet ~ light wooden frame will work much better than form fitting foam plastic.

Remember, if you don't insure it it's your own fault because the legal doctrine the whole world works under is that the shipment carries the seeds of its own destruction. Without that doctrine NO ONE would haul anything.

The folks who sold you the spice bottles should have obtained insurance.

121 posted on 01/22/2013 4:23:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You still did not answer my question.


122 posted on 01/22/2013 4:24:38 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH
you are an impertinent individual ~ you can read my about page ~ and that's all your getting.

You must have missed, over the years, my plan to privatize the USPS, saving $50 billion but eliminating unnecessary postal workers and cutting customer service to the bone ~ NO MORE GRANDFATHERS FOR YOU! And a host of other quite detailed condemnations of postal management, specific managers, members of the PRC and the Board of Governors, and even of both Democrat and Republican members of Congress. I even trashed the postal IG and Senator Grassly.

As you can see, if you'd stayed awake long enough to pay attention (hard being a geezer isn't it) you'd have realized your question was beyond impertent ~ it is irrelevant and simply proves you are too ignorant to be involved in this thread.

123 posted on 01/22/2013 4:27:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yeah.

It isn’t that at all. It is the disconnect which requires a busy guy like ME to have to use MY time to rectify a problem caused by some jackass who either bought the roll down door of a truck on top of a random package (mine) or thought it would be great fun to see how far they could chuck a package (mine) to some other guy.

I have to wait for the package to arrive.

I have to open this soggy box wrapped with tape, dispose of the glass and clean up the unbroken ones.

I have to contact the vendor.

I have to wait for another week or two.

THAT is what I have a problem with.


124 posted on 01/22/2013 4:28:07 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: 1010RD
New York City has been, and still is, a very violent city. Waves of murder are lurking just below the surface ~ the taxi medallion system was put in place during one of those periods where competing mob-backed taxi companies were killing each other's drivers.

Sure, there's been a pause in the killing, but being New Yorkers, you pull the medallions out of there and no passenger will be safe.

126 posted on 01/22/2013 4:31:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: rlmorel
That's what insurance is for ~ plus it's clearly the fault of your sender for not having followed the guidelines and rules for correct packaging of breakables ~ they're published in the Domestic Mail Manual although UPS and FedEx also provide guides regarding how to properly package all sorts of things.

Their insurance is automatic ~ as is their price ~ it's automatically higher unless you are a very large shipper then they can cut you some deals on volume.

The common carrier is never guilty ~ anywhere.

127 posted on 01/22/2013 4:36:12 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: usconservative
There's a joke about a hypothetical obama stamp ~ but a quick review of 2012 usps stamps doesn't show one for obama. he's not dead yet ~ and i think they're holding the line on that standard for Presidents.

I only pay attention to the Christmas stamps checking them carefully to identify and report gang or drug insigna ~ which does sometimes happen. modern artists have this idea that to be edgy you need to trash the subject.

128 posted on 01/22/2013 4:44:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You still have not answered my question


129 posted on 01/22/2013 4:58:32 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: vette6387

yup ~ the closeout procedures or accountable stock and cash are pretty exacting. The clerks at postal retail workstations have a tad more to do than your typical grocery cashier ~ so when it’s time to close out, they close out ~


130 posted on 01/22/2013 5:06:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lancey Howard
it's for workers 75 years from now. not a single individual presently employed by USPS will benefit from it.

This was thought up by Senator Snow as a way to balance the federal budget in a way no one would know about. Then it began destroying the USPS which usually runs it's accounts within a tolerance of 2% ~ revenue vs. expenditures, week by week.

She should have been hogtied and horsewhipped.

131 posted on 01/22/2013 5:10:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cherry

The USPS pension accounts are filled to the top unlike most public and private pensions in this country. Part of it is probably because their black employees have shorter lifespans than the white employees. They draw their pensions for fewer years.


132 posted on 01/22/2013 5:13:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: twister881

Why? Merrifield didn’t hurt anybody ~ just a building that sits there keeping rain of machines.


133 posted on 01/22/2013 5:21:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
you can go to my about page and findout all you need. the fact you don't know about our about pages is very disturbing. probably means you are a troll out to cause trouble for FR.

Be careful who you call a troll. DH is poster #244 and signed up 1997-12-05.

Thanks.

134 posted on 01/22/2013 5:27:12 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: muawiyah

“The 28,000 rural post offices that are no longer needed are manned primarily by WHITE WOMEN.”

Small offices in my area have been cut back, and they are on the frontier of the Newark Food Desert (suburban bordering on urban). A healthy mix of “preferred minorities” (including white women); any white guy I’ve seen is over 50 (hired when they were allowed to hire white guys).


136 posted on 01/22/2013 5:36:11 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: untwist

“Liberals can cry all they want, but there is a social Darwinism that will not be evaded.”

It is being carried out in abortion mills scattered throughout our cities every day.


137 posted on 01/22/2013 5:38:44 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
One of the rarest items in American postal history is a white man serving as postmaster of a small rural post office ~ that field has been dominated by white women for the last 75 years.

There are exceptions ~ it is a large organization. But those post offices have just about the same number of employees as postmasters or substitutes or clerks as USPS has black employees.

This has been a classic problem politically speaking ~ for a very long time. The postmistresses have more Senators in their balliwicks than the black fellows do, and that cuts across the partisan landscape.

138 posted on 01/22/2013 5:41:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TnGOP
With the advent of the Great Obama Recession we have 53% of college graduates over the last 5 years unable to get employment ~ that cuts across all fields of study too ~ so there are engineers in there.

You are up against janitors with masters degrees competing for the A/C HVAC jobs!~ if i were you I'd study the operations manual and the domestic mail manual so i could understand what the business is about and what it is usps hopes to achieve with all that automation equipment. That'd give you a knowledge base to propel yourself into supervision or management within the next 5 years (NOTE: USPS is as slow as the Marine Corps when it comes to promotion)

139 posted on 01/22/2013 6:51:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: John S Mosby
Straying a bit from the sociological issue you might not know it but USPS employees are covered predominantly by the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) ~ you work a short time, you get a tiny retirement package.

The entire system is available for public review at the Office of Personnel Management's webpages.

Now regarding what FDR said and may have believed in the 1930s, by the 1940s he had a problem with Communist Union organizers infiltrating the federal work force. He made a deal with the postal unions (then the largest federal unions) that if they put an end to the organizer's efforts he'd RECOGNIZE THEIR UNIONS and allow all federal government employees to write letters to their Congressmen

He made that deal with my grandfather, among others. Looked it up in the USPS archival library in fact ~

Just setting you straight on FDR. He changed his mind and he recognized the unions.

NOTE: People who think they can represent FDR as some sort of ubber Conservative got the wrong guy ~ he wasn't a Commie, but he wasn't Conservative in the modern sense either.

140 posted on 01/22/2013 6:59:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There's a joke about a hypothetical obama stamp ~ but a quick review of 2012 usps stamps doesn't show one for obama. he's not dead yet ~ and i think they're holding the line on that standard for Presidents.

Nothing hypothetical about it, you could hold my hand over a burning fire and I'd swear I saw it. Had the current postage rate on it too. I have to go back to the post office later this week, I'll ask if there's an Obama stamp and we'll put this one to rest, one way or another.

Thanks for your post.

141 posted on 01/22/2013 7:35:59 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ladyjane

Ok, so here’s a non-nasty response from a Postal worker. I’m sorry that you have lost several packages. There are some of us that really do care and work hard to make the system better.

Our scanning still sucks, but we’ve made vast improvements in the past year, with percentages rising from 70% up to 90+%. (But I still can’t track my packages, either)

Putting the value on the box is just crazy. I don’t know why they did that.

Also, when mailing packages, be sure to secure the package well with tape, and use a sturdy box. You wouldn’t believe the boxes I see with a couple of pieces of scotch tape holding them together, or a 60 lb package in a potato chip box.

Again, I’m sorry you received poor service. I can’t blame you for using the competition. I do the same. Fedex delivered a package to me today. It was on-time and in good condition. Can’t beat that.


142 posted on 01/22/2013 11:20:28 PM PST by TnGOP (Petey the dog is my foreign policy adviser. He's really quite good!)
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To: Lancey Howard

I see. Unless we throw billions of dollars down a rathole called the Post Office, we’re racist.

This all would be funny if it wasn’t so dangerously ridiculous.


143 posted on 01/22/2013 11:44:27 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Fledermaus

It was congress forcing the postal unions to pay for their own pension fund that done ‘em in.


144 posted on 01/22/2013 11:56:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: muawiyah

it is irrelevant and simply proves you are too ignorant to be involved in this thread.


You know you have reached the target when you start to receive flack.


145 posted on 01/23/2013 5:35:06 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

You aren’t even a postal customer ~


146 posted on 01/23/2013 7:26:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lancey Howard

Yes, what a tragedy. God forbid they don’t get unlimited taxpayer funds for their future lifestyles! /s


147 posted on 01/23/2013 10:50:13 AM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: Lancey Howard
It was Congress imagining they could slip in a tax on postage ~ to balance the budget.

You see how that worked out!

BTW, postal employees are fully funded ~ my own retirement is so terribly paid up I'd have to live to be about 200 years of age to begin any sort of subsidized lifestyle. Same with all the others ~ non-postal federal employees, and that'd include such free riders as the entire Supreme Court, the Senior Executive Service, the Congress and others are NOT fully funded.

148 posted on 01/23/2013 3:12:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"...plus it's clearly the fault of your sender for not having followed the guidelines and rules for correct packaging of breakables..."

Heh, I know you are trying to be informative, but I have to wonder what kind of reinforced kevlar box would have been necessary to prevent my package from being crushed by whatever process brought enough force to bear on that box.

149 posted on 01/23/2013 4:04:27 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: DH

:) to you, FRiend


150 posted on 01/23/2013 4:26:46 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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