Posted on 01/23/2013 6:25:04 AM PST by rellimpank
In pro-gun-regulation Illinois — where politicians would rather play gun control politics than fight the murderous street gangs — a young man was admitted to the hospital.
Sam Insley, 16, of Oak Lawn, wasn't admitted with a gun problem.
Sam had a tonsil problem.
John Kass .Bio | E-mail | Recent columns Maps Advocate Hope Children's Hospital: 4440 West 95th Street, Oak Lawn, IL 60453, USA 80% Off Pashmina ScarvesView Deal$120 $24"It was an infected tonsil," Mary Rita Insley told me of her son Sam, a strapping, 6-foot-2-inch, 195-pound lacrosse player at St. Rita High School on the Southwest Side.
"Yes, he's a big kid, but regardless of his age and stature, my husband and I were with him the entire time he was there."
Sam was admitted to Advocate Hope Children's Hospital in Oak Lawn on Jan 4. A resident and two medical students began jotting down notes for a routine medical history. At one point, Mrs. Insley said, they asked her to step out of the room.
"I felt uneasy, but I stepped out so my son wouldn't be embarrassed," she told me, saying she figured they would ask drug and alcohol questions. Sam doesn't take drugs or alcohol, she said
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A cop can’t ask an illegal about his citizenship status but a doctor can ask about guns in the home.
Seems pretty clear that we the people are the enemy.
Gorry, the paper’s ridiculous popup won’t let me actually get to the article.
So let me get this straight:
I can get a $120 Pashema scarf for only $24?!
Yeah, it’s one of their “plus” stories. You need an account to view it. No thanks...
Heh, heh... he said "Probe"...
—I get to the restricted stuff in the Trib with my wife’s Facebook account-—
A good reason for NOT “stepping out of the room” and leaving your minor child alone when the doc is taking patient history .... and asking intrusive questions that affect the home and the parent(s) rights.
LOL! And Pearl Jam is playing at Wrigley in July.
“X” out the popup ... the story that was ‘behind’ the popup was about firefighting .... so I hit the ‘back’ arrow on my browser and it took me right to the doc/gun question story (took me three tries to figure that out!).
Medical information given to a doctor is an exception to the heresay rule in court. (civil and criminal)
This is a way to get around the warrant issue.
Unless there is an actual arms would or an insane person issue there is zero reason for this doctor’s questions.
Doctors should haave a few made examples of in order to create a liability nightmare for them.
Stock answer: “If you really want to know, break in some night.”
>>>Mary Rita Insley, newly sensitized to gun issues, has since applied for a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card. But here’s what bothers her.
“If I purchase a gun, am I then supposed to train my children to lie for fear of the government knowing I have guns?” she asked<<<
I love when the leftist bullying tactics have the opposite of the desired effect and inspire citizens to exercise their rights.
As for the question, some possible answer she could instruct her children to give:
1) None of your DAMN business!
2) I’ll be happy to respond once you have adequately explained how that question is medically relevant to my condition.
3) Doctor, do you have any guns in YOUR house? Any alcohol? Any pornography? Any copies of left-wing publications?
4) I find it odd that you are asking a child who is your patient to inform on his parents. Did you know this sort of thing was common in Nazi Germany? Are you by any chance, a Nazi?
5) Are you planning on invading my house if I answer, “No”?
6) Why do you think it is OK to invade the privacy of your minor patients and their families?
7) Are you asking me this because you are a Communist or a Fascist?
8) Do you have any copies of the Constitution in your home? Would you like one?
9) If you tell me which particular firearms are known to cause my medical condition, I will ask my parents if we have any of those.
-—excellent point—
There can only be two reason to ask about guns. One would be tge patient was shot. The other is the trickier reason, and that would be the same reason they ask children whether they’re being abused in general. This is not because it is medically relevant, unless the doc needs to know the precise nature of the injury beyond what’s readily apparent. It’s because the state has deemed hospitals one of the proxy contact points between citizens and government. Same way therapists are compelled to report imminent danger from a patient or teachers are ordered to stick their noses in kids’ business.
Guns have nothing to do with it in particular, and I have no idea why they’d need to know more than that they were shot, if that’s what brought them there. It may be of further interest who shot them, but whether or not there are usually guns in the home is irrelevant, unless that could somehow decide between it being accidental or not.
relevant form for doc http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2978810/posts
they have already tried to turn children into eviro-brownshirts via the public schools. ie school projects of writing environmental violator tickets to mom and dad for using an suv etc.
this is just like the USSR which used children in their mandatory scout program to report parents who were hoarding food in defiance of the collective.
control medicine and you control everyone because everything becomes medical.
LOL
If my kids' doctor asked me that? I'd take them to another doctor....thou my kids would answer: 'Excuse me, but what does GUNS have to do with medicine?'
I had to clean it up a bit... my kids hates the OMarxist administration almost as bad as the wife and me.
Of course, the kids' doctor knows we have guns -- we seen him at the local gun range.
OOps, I shouldn't say that...the MARXIST might take his practice away for having and using GUNS!!
Wonder how long until,”If you vant treatment, you vill answer ze question!”.
It burns... it burnnssss ussss....
That’s a good time to call the Police, right there in the room, and tell them that the Doc made advances and inappropriately fondled my penis during what was supposed to be a simple tonsil exam.
It’s time to put fear into the fascists.
FR had this on a thread.. I can’t find it but I’ll try to attach a link from washinton Post.
Says NRA finger prints all over part of OCare.. Dr’s can’t ask about guns..
Go ahead and answer no. Not only is it the right answer for you, but if you do have guns, it poisons their database. A database full of errors is of no use to them, because they have no idea which bits are true and which bits are not.
Don't listen to these posters who suggest being a jerk to your doctor. Doctors deal with jerks in many ways and they may order a barium enema on you. At least I kind of hope they do.
Doctors are as helpless to deal with protocols from hospital administration as you are when you don't want to pay taxes.
That was only true till they passed it and we found out what was in it. Our Esteemed Leader, whose mere thoughts are so powerful they trump actual legislation, made clear in one of his 23 Imperial Orders the other day, that such was not the case.
Doctors that ask Marxist questions shaould have their professional liabiilty insurance tested in court. I would say it is negligent to spend valuable medical time on non medical private matters.
Doctors that ask Marxist questions shaould have their professional liabiilty insurance tested in court. I would say it is negligent to spend valuable medical time on non medical private matters.
Doctors that ask Marxist questions shaould have their professional liabiilty insurance tested in court. I would say it is negligent to spend valuable medical time on non medical private matters.
Take it out on the lawyers. They aren't being forced to do this with their crook clients and their corrupt connections with the Marxist state.
So it has been said, So it shall be re-written kind of thing?
I NEVER leave the room when my kids are at the doctor’s office, and boy oh boy do they get cranky about it (the docs, I mean, not the kids).
It got so heated last time that the doc actually suggested that he’d have me removed from the room. This caused me to stand up from my chair and tower over him while I inquired as to exactly WHO was going to accomplish that feat. (I stand about 6 inches taller than him and I guarantee he wouldn’t be able to do it— and I’m a GIRL).
Anyway, my big boy won’t go back to the pediatrician anymore so now he goes to my husband’s doctor who never never never asks the stupid, intrusive, and utterly un-medical questions the ped. did. That doctor takes his pressure, listens to his chest, thumps on his back a couple of times, does the “turn your head and cough” routine, and tells him to get out and come back if something’s wrong. Just as it should be for a 16-year-old in perfect health.
Here’s what the pediatrician really wanted to do behind my back: 1. Ask about guns in the home and if he felt “safe” in his environment. 2. Do Mommy and Daddy spank you? 3. Give him condoms so he can have “safe sex.”
He implied that he wouldn’t be able to get the truth out of him if I was in the room. Not true, but let’s say my son DID have a secret. I have WAY more need to know it than any doctor. So if I’M not getting the straight scoop, then neither will HE.
I told the doc to stick to the medicine, and I told Billy that he was to ask the doc any question he might have. “Do you have a question about your penis, Bill? No? You understand where babies come from? Excellent!” Poor Billy; he was appalled, but rightfully placed the blame on the doc for not backing down immediately when I refused his “help.”
Those pediatricians are fine when the kids are little but they become menaces when they’re dealing with teens. And you know what? I don’t know ANY parent who thinks it’s a good idea for doctors to keep secrets from the child’s parents. How did these stupid laws get passed anyway?
Regards,
You got it!
Any guns (ie gun owners) at your home? USA 2013
Any Jews at your home? Germany, 1938
The moral answer is no in all cases.
I believe that the MO legislature will be taking up a bill having to do with this...
IMHO, the only proper way to answer this question is “No, I don’t even like guns.” The last thing you want is to tell the truth on this sort of thing. Because if you say, “None of your damned business,” you’ll be flagged as a “bitter clinger.”
Mark
Mama Grizzly ......YAY for you!!! Sounds llke you have a good kid, too that he understands this cr@p aready. IMHO no parent should leave their minor kid alone with a doctor, especially now that they have a leftist agenda that they are ACTING on.
The only way out of this mess is first and foremost to stop the ‘indoctrination’ of kids in public school and do the ‘education’ of them ourselves. Can everyone homeschool (what I think is the answer) .... no, but folks need to get involved and get creative. Don’t turn the kids over to the government to indoctrinate for you. Next, we need to find a way to neutralize the “Enemedia”. I’m not sure how to do that other than speak the truth and repeat it endlessly and loudly, expose their lies/machinations, etc. If we can’t get the Enemedia neutralized, we’ll never have “decent, conservative” people running for public office because as soon as one crops up in this current environment, the Enemedia attacks & shreds them personally, professionally, and politically (Sarah, case in point) and renders them all but unelectable with our current crop of low-info, indoctrinated voters .... and there the circle returns to getting educated voters with values/morals, patriotic, conservative which will be our kids if we raise them that way.
All doctors are card carying members fo the NRA? Doctors have more than their fair share of Marxists among their ranks. Those that choose to pervert their profession to the benefit of Marxist rulers ougtht to be taken to task. Stop your whining.
Doctor: I was just following orders.
I heard that same explanation from the Nurenberg Trials.
(An apple a day keeps the doctor away...)
Excellent responses.
That said, I told my kids to simply lie to them.
(my kids are teenagers and above, so I dont think I have to worry about sending them the wrong message by telling them to lie.) Besides, they have guns of their own.
I’ll whine until the jerks shut up. Are you shutting up any time soon? And suggest that all doctors listening who are seething at being forced into this “deputizing” at least learn to enjoy turning the big-mouthed jerks into the Feds.
Not only is the lawyer you use to try to take a doctor to court over this probably your typical cowardly bully who goes whining to Mommy when he can’t take what he dishes out, but I don’t know what legal theory you’d use to sue him.
A thread awhile ago had all sorts of retorts to the doc when asked that question. It has been a long time since I hunted - so my kids can say, without lying - “Guns? Oh - we don’t hunt.”
Also implies some ignorance that guns aren’t just for hunting. Although it seems that is what most politicians are concerned about when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. “There is no reason why someone needs an AR-15 for hunting....” Of course that is false as well - but it comes across well to the sheeple.
Anyway, I've read enough of these threads to know what I'll advise some docs I know to do about this. First I'm going to let them in on the lack of any sympathy for being forced to be Obamas "deputies" -- and the docs are furious and upset at these developments in gun control. Instead, the chiseling little lawyers are here hunting for new business.
So why should they feel anynsympathy Inreturn?
I'll advise them to call insecurity to have a little talk with the patients who make stupid threats, including hauling in lawyers.
a doctor willing to ask about guns, not related at all with the illness, is scary - never had it happen before. But, if it ever did, I’d politely ignore their question and ask about their position on euthanasia. A commie doctor would likely be for euthanasia. That is something I would want to know about so I don’t have the wrong doc is case of something serious. I think multiple medical qualification related questions, politely asked, and the gun question would be long forgotten. if not, I have no problem lying to commies or changing docs. agree with previous poster about populating their wonderful databases with bogus info.
Warn your children not to speak to authority figures beyond the scope of your interaction with them, without a lawyer and your parents present.
Answer nothing that could incriminate you or your family or violate your privacy without your parents and/or an attorney present.
Police officers, school counselors, teachers, doctors should not be asking questions about your minor child’s sex life, drugs, guns or anything that is illegal and invasive of your privacy.
If we stay on the road we are traveling, the day is going to come when they and you will be forced to answer self incriminating or nosey questions or be punished in the denial of service or in some other way and then you are going to have to teach them to lie to officials and we will be arriving at life in the Soviet Union.
Unfortunately, it is better to work your children against police state officials than allow state officials to work your children against their friends and family as informants.
Well, my kids never attended public school — they both went to Catholic elementary school and the big guy is in Catholic high school. My younger one is homeschooled now.
I have found that simply keeping them out of the public schools does a great deal to stave off TOO much government indoctrination.
BTW, my boys are both good ones and I am lucky to have them. They will grow to be nice young gentlemen, I think.
Regards,
Doesn't work anymore...
I followed directions and got to the story of interest, up pops the same pop up, "X"ed it out and the story updated back to where we started.
Regards,
GtG
I just tried the post link (below) and didn’t get a popup - tried it twice to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0123-20130123,0,6673142,full.column
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