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McCain Backs Women in Combat—As Long as Standards Stay High
Newsmax ^ | Thursday, 24 Jan 2013 07:53 AM | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/24/2013 10:01:27 AM PST by Olog-hai

Sen. John McCain supports allowing women in combat, but says it remains critical for the military to uphold the same high standards that made it the strongest in the world.

On Wednesday, outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced that women will be permitted in combat, potentially opening hundreds of thousands of front-line positions and elite Special Forces jobs to women as well as men. …

“I respect and support Secretary Panetta’s decision to lift the ban on women serving in combat,” McCain said. “The fact is that American women are already serving in harm’s way today all over the world and in every branch of our armed forces. Many have made the ultimate sacrifice, and our nation owes them a deep debt of gratitude.” …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 113th; bhodod; killourwomen; mccain; mclame; mcshame; womenincombat
Wow. Quite a difference in four years (or did McCain always feel this way?—never can tell with a RINO) . . .
1 posted on 01/24/2013 10:01:34 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Army ‘has dropped fitness standards to allow more women to join’

Fitness standards for British Army recruits including men have been reduced so that more women can join and equality targets can be met, it has been claimed.

By John-Paul Ford Rojas

10:42AM GMT 24 Jan 2013

Major Judith Webb, the first woman to lead an all-male field force in the Army, warned that standards would deteriorate further if the UK followed America in allowing women soldiers to fight on the front line.

She said women should not be given roles in infantry units where they would be expected to “close with and kill the enemy at close quarters”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9823312/Army-has-dropped-fitness-standards-to-allow-more-women-to-join.html


2 posted on 01/24/2013 10:05:49 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Olog-hai

Hundreds of thousands of women won’t volunteer to go. You’ll have to Draft them.


3 posted on 01/24/2013 10:06:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Olog-hai

Nobody cares what you think, Juan. Disappear.


4 posted on 01/24/2013 10:08:37 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: Olog-hai

McCain knows nothing of ground combat.

Vietnam, ‘68-69.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 10:09:15 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai
Have an all women battalion. See how they perform on their own if you want to do a "isolated" social experiment. Putting them in mixed company on the front line is a different experiment and could cost the men their lives.
6 posted on 01/24/2013 10:09:40 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Olog-hai

The problem is the standards and the inevitable lowering of them.

The daughter of a friend who was in the Marines for a few years complained about the lower standards imposed on female recruits. She said it would have felt better to fail honestly than to get by and pass all the tests through easier standards.


7 posted on 01/24/2013 10:09:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

How can women complete Ranger and Special Forces Training unless standards for them are reduced? Maybe a couple might make it through now and then, but realistically, it wont happen unless they have different or relaxed standards. When the Army decided to admit women to the Military Academy, they said the standards wouldn’t change. Well guess what, the standards for the admission Physical Fitness Tests and the standards while attending did change (Lowered).


8 posted on 01/24/2013 10:11:24 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Olog-hai

Compare/contrast to nearly every single fire department and police department in America in lowering their physical standards so that more women could “make it”


9 posted on 01/24/2013 10:16:32 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: massgopguy

I’m sure they’ll all have to sign up for the draft,too./sarc

And next come “reasonable accomodations” and other ADA regs meant for civilians in the civilian world.

One more way to make the military just another democrat jobs programs.

The Joint Chiefs must be smoking the extra large joints now days.

Maybe the leftards can unionize the military next.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 10:16:32 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Guess that’s why they’re called the “Joint” Chiefs, eh?


11 posted on 01/24/2013 10:20:23 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Sometimes I think one of the biggest problems this country faces is the stupidity that comes from long-term success. We’ve had prosperity and relative miltary dominance for so long that we’ve forgotten what those things really depend on. In short, blind ideology trumps reason and common sense.

A good cure for that is getting your a$$ handed to you in a big way. The only problem is that, if it happens, you need time to recover and learn from your mistakes. There are so many moonbats in the country now that I fear that even if we have one of those incidents, we’ll draw exactly the wrong conclusions.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 10:22:18 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81

We’ll have Iran/Syria/Afria/etc to test their little social experiment.

hopefully it won’t get my son killed.


13 posted on 01/24/2013 10:26:34 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Olog-hai

All I keep thinking of is divisions of American women facing off against Panzer divisions, The Waffen SS and the Japanese Sendai division. It’s just the first thing that comes to mind for some reason.


14 posted on 01/24/2013 10:27:46 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Olog-hai

Lower the standards and re-institute the draft for women only for the next 40 years, you know we need to play “catch up” I say we draft any women and weak kneed male in any women’s studies class and send them over to Afghanistan to replace all our troops there.

Let them see what a real “Male Dominated Society” looks like and when the weak kneed wildebeest beta males are beheaded and the hippie chicks are put in burquas and raped daily they will learn that America isn’t such a bad place after all.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 10:35:46 AM PST by GraceG
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To: rbg81

[ Sometimes I think one of the biggest problems this country faces is the stupidity that comes from long-term success. We’ve had prosperity and relative miltary dominance for so long that we’ve forgotten what those things really depend on. In short, blind ideology trumps reason and common sense.

A good cure for that is getting your a$$ handed to you in a big way. The only problem is that, if it happens, you need time to recover and learn from your mistakes. There are so many moonbats in the country now that I fear that even if we have one of those incidents, we’ll draw exactly the wrong conclusions. ]

Well they have been propping up things and masking any sorta of natural economic cycle since the late 1910’s. Economies should be up and down, it makes a more resilient people and forces them to think LONG TERM. In the 1800’s there would be a MAJOR depression every 10-20 years and it would only last a year or three at most then things would bloom again. The Progressives have always sold their poisons as a way to “even out the bumps” but this has damaged the natural cycle which is there to cleanse the useless parts of the economies and help bolster the robust parts of it.

This whole trying to play “Intelligent Designer” with the Economy is the height of Hubris and will be our downfall. When Men play God they ultimately FAIL!


16 posted on 01/24/2013 10:41:06 AM PST by GraceG
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To: a fool in paradise

In many if not most billets, gays and women can serve effectively although they are going to be challenged and degraded by their ability to cope with the effects of pregnancy and homophobia and fitness.

Remember ladies, all of our shooting enemies are muslim men. For them is haram (forbidden) to look or talk to women, any women, especially those in uniform or demonstrating any authority.

Factor that into your combat walking patrol and liaison with village elders that will greatly affect whether your troops survive.

Special Ops is a highly testosterone-driven boys club.

Ladies, I’ve been there, don’t go there.


17 posted on 01/24/2013 10:43:56 AM PST by gandalftb
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To: Olog-hai

McCain, as always, is on the wrong side of the issue.


18 posted on 01/24/2013 10:44:28 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Wiggins

All I keep thinking of is divisions of American women facing off against Panzer divisions, The Waffen SS and the Japanese Sendai division. It’s just the first thing that comes to mind for some reason.

Heck, the women of that Generation would have done a fine job at defending this country had the men all died in combat and they were the only ones left to defend us from Germany and Japan.

Today’s typical low information women is a self-entitled brainwashed creature who thinks they can have their cake and eat it too. We have lost the Elle May and Grandma Clampett type women with their shotguns and have ended up with a bunch of spoiled Ms. Clydesdales who want more “rights” than even men have but want the responsibility part of the equation to be still handled by the men.


19 posted on 01/24/2013 10:45:10 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

If they get dropped from traing for not meeting the ctiteria they will just play the gender card and accuse the instructors of being too tough on em.


20 posted on 01/24/2013 10:58:44 AM PST by Americanexpat
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To: GraceG

Very good. You’re so right.


21 posted on 01/24/2013 11:06:14 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Americanexpat

their reasoning:”women end up sometimes in combat roles anyway...”(ABC radio news quote)
and people end up in fires some times, so let’s tell everone they’re fire fighters!

“not everyone can be a combat soldier, but everyone should have the chance”. (Panetta)

I guess Congress will need to involve us in even more foreign entanglements so EVERYONE gets their chance!


22 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:23 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

I thank God that my sons have each served their three tours in Afghanistan and are now stateside and soon to get out.


23 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:23 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: GraceG

American Idle is on tonight, all is well...


24 posted on 01/24/2013 11:17:36 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: massgopguy
Hundreds of thousands of women won’t volunteer to go. You’ll have to Draft them.

Damned right!

Women should have to be required to sign up for the Draft just as I and millions of other men had towhen they turned 18.

Equality.

It is a b@tch!!


25 posted on 01/24/2013 11:28:59 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Olog-hai

McCain is an idiot.


26 posted on 01/24/2013 11:29:42 AM PST by Girlene
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To: RedMonqey

No they should not.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 11:31:37 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Wiggins
All I keep thinking of is divisions of American women facing off against Panzer divisions, The Waffen SS and the Japanese Sendai division. It’s just the first thing that comes to mind for some reason.

And think of the way the Waffen SS treated females(enlisted or civilian) when they fell into their hands.

Just another war asset to be destroyed.
28 posted on 01/24/2013 11:33:08 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: cripplecreek

The Marine Corps is the only branch of the service that still separates men and women during basic training. The reason being is that the Corps will not lower the standards for the men just so the women can keep up.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 11:45:31 AM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: RedMonqey

nobama and his LIB minions continue to undermine the effectiveness of everything.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 11:45:52 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Olog-hai
How about the “standards” that were in place 40 years ago?

Before there were watered down for women, the first time!

And, how about making ALL women eligible for combat, and NOT at THEIR CHOICE!?!?!?!

31 posted on 01/24/2013 11:47:25 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Girlene
No they should not.

Don't misunderstand me when I said they Shaula be drafted.

Drafting women into the army is the last thing I want but if these radical feminist get their way than that will open up all women for the draft.

Can't pick and chose the rights without getting the duties of being fully combat able.

Equally means equally.
32 posted on 01/24/2013 12:22:01 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Girlene
No they should not.

Don't misunderstand me when I said they should be drafted.

Drafting women into the army is the last thing I want but if these radical feminist get their way than that will open up all women for the draft.

Can't pick and chose the rights without getting the duties of being fully combat able.

Equally means equally.
33 posted on 01/24/2013 12:22:22 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Olog-hai
Good idea McInsane.

Get your daughter out there on the front line as an example of your BRILLIANT thinking.

34 posted on 01/24/2013 12:22:22 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: hal ogen
nobama and his LIB minions continue to undermine the effectiveness of everything.

Obama has the "FUBAR Touch"(instead of the Midas touch)
35 posted on 01/24/2013 12:24:52 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

nobama is the Reverse Midas...everything he touches turns to sh**.


36 posted on 01/24/2013 12:26:03 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Olog-hai
McCain Backs Women in Combat—As Long as Standards Stay High

The standard for combat always stays high. "May the best man win."

The next 'man' we fight may not be cave dwelling throwbacks, but trained divisions of infantry and armor, backed by a fleet of mass produced, missile-armed drones.

They won't be impressed by how egalitarian our military is. Not one bit.

37 posted on 01/24/2013 12:27:20 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Olog-hai
McCain Backs Women in Combat—As Long as Standards Stay High

The standard for combat always stays high. "May the best man win."

The next 'man' we fight may not be cave dwelling throwbacks, but trained divisions of infantry and armor, backed by a fleet of mass produced, missile-armed drones.

They won't be impressed by how egalitarian our military is. Not one bit.

38 posted on 01/24/2013 12:27:42 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: GraceG
[ Sometimes I think one of the biggest problems this country faces is the stupidity that comes from long-term success. ....
A good cure for that is getting your a$$ handed to you in a big way.


I'm afraid you're on to something.

As in nature, economics or in the Bible, when the people strayed from their principles, they got in trouble, whether from nature, bankruptcy or from the Wraith of God, they were brought back in line.

The economic breakdown/correction is coming.

It's on;y a matter of when and how bad...


39 posted on 01/24/2013 12:36:09 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: hal ogen
nobama is the Reverse Midas...everything he touches turns to sh**.

That's what FUBAR basically means but I've gotten a few of my recent posts eliminated b/c of language so I went the safe roue....;-)
40 posted on 01/24/2013 12:41:13 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Steel Wolf
The next 'man' we fight may not be cave dwelling throwbacks...

They won't be impressed by how egalitarian our military is. Not one bit


So true...That's how empires are lost....
41 posted on 01/24/2013 12:44:22 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

This is about destroying the military warrior culture. Nothing more. And, it will.


42 posted on 01/24/2013 12:44:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Don’t disagree with that...


43 posted on 01/24/2013 3:14:44 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: RedMonqey

Second that. The quislings at Fox News (Napolitano, Krauthammer and Kristen or Kirsten whomever) are somehow of the opinion that the military is so efficient and straight arrow that they will not actually allow women in combat situations where they will be at a disadvantage physically. I guess they’ve never heard of dual standards for physical strength for men and women. Then they paraded a military chick who said that women were as strong as men. I feel like I’ve been teleported to an alternate universe where free thinking people have been traded for androids with talking points instead of brains. The ONLY reason for these very profound changes in the military (repeal of DADT and women in combat) is that there are very influential people in this country and elsewhere who are working to weaken and divide our military. Anyone who protests will be hounded out and shamed. Yet now we have record high sexual assault and unplanned pregnancies within the ranks, and somehow none of the networks will cover that. I’m a vet, as is my spouse, and we have been a military family but I would NEVER encourage anyone to join the military today. They will use you up and ask for your soul besides. They’ve done it before.


44 posted on 01/24/2013 5:04:00 PM PST by binreadin
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To: binreadin

what about the “unique capabilities” pregnant women bring to the table?

(yeah, an elected female Dem from Hawaii actually said that)


45 posted on 01/25/2013 11:30:40 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: binreadin

Seriously... True


46 posted on 01/25/2013 2:37:36 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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