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After Mike Bloomberg´s rule for hospitals, FDA panel votes to restrict use of painkillers
Joel Gehrke ^ | 1/25/13 | Washington Examiner

Posted on 01/25/2013 3:39:41 PM PST by Nachum

Federal Drug Administration advisers voted today to restrict access to certain kinds of prescription drugs in an effort to fight drug abuse. The vote had experts divided over the risk of drug abuse as weighed against the risk of increased pain or difficulty for patients on the medication. “It will have an impact on a lot of patients who have been receiving them for some time for legitimate purposes,” Dr. Lynn Webster, president-elect of the American Academy of Pain Medicine, said per Health Day News ahead of the vote. The FDA rule change is designed to implement

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bloombergs; fda; fdapainkillers; painkillers; panel
You know, there are some guys in Tijuana who will sell me all I want
1 posted on 01/25/2013 3:39:47 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 01/25/2013 3:40:44 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

chit gettin stupid now days


3 posted on 01/25/2013 3:41:20 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I'll surrender my guns alright - bullets first)
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4 posted on 01/25/2013 3:41:34 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

>“At the end of the day, the benefits of reducing abuse will outweigh the harm to legitimate pain patients,”

At the end of your miserable days, let’s hope you suffer a painful and agonizing death.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 3:49:57 PM PST by soycd
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To: Nachum

I think hospitals should stop feeding meals to those patients who are not height/weight proportionate. /sarc


6 posted on 01/25/2013 3:54:09 PM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Nachum
[You know, there are some guys in Tijuana who will sell me all I want.]

Joking aside, the DEA calls that “re-importation” and I doubt this FDA ruling will have any effect on it. Licensed Mexican pharmaceutical distributors order carloads of these medications from U.S. manufacturers. A large portion of these end up getting smuggled back into the U.S. and sold on the black market. The cartels have laboratories that fabricate their own versions of popular U.S. meds. Some of these are more potent than the original.

7 posted on 01/25/2013 3:54:40 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: soycd
At the end of your miserable days, let’s hope you suffer a painful and agonizing death.

Or at least a pint of cheap bourbon and a piece of leather to bite down on...

8 posted on 01/25/2013 3:57:25 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

It is going to be where painkillers will only be for the elite. “Pain killers for me, not for thee” !


9 posted on 01/25/2013 3:58:20 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: Nachum
Federal Drug Administration advisers voted today to restrict access to certain kinds of prescription drugs in an effort to fight drug abuse

What a bunch of stupid a$$holes.

10 posted on 01/25/2013 4:23:47 PM PST by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: Nachum

In other words, it will be harder for people who really need painkillers to get them.


11 posted on 01/25/2013 4:27:41 PM PST by Nachoman (Wisdom is learned, cynicism is earned.)
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To: Nachum
“Number one, there’s no evidence of that,” Bloomberg said. “Number two, supposing it is really true, so you didn’t get enough painkillers and you did have to suffer a little bit. The other side of the coin is people are dying and there’s nothing perfect.”

Words fail me.

People are dying because they abuse the drug and overdose...so we're going to deny those that take the drug responsibly, and allow them to suffer, to keep the abuser from abusing (which they're going to do anyway through black market drugs.)

This is the same argument they're using with guns. We're going to limit guns to legitimate, law abiding citizens because some wackos and criminals are "abusing" guns. And we all know the wackos and criminals are going to get the guns anyway.

12 posted on 01/25/2013 4:49:54 PM PST by memyselfandi59
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To: Nachum

This ruling comes just in time for ObamaCare to go into effect.

First, doctors will withhold pain medication from patients they’d rather not deal with anymore, and then, when the pain becomes unbearable, call in the death panelists to ask the patients if they might not prefer to simply pass away into the hereafter.


13 posted on 01/25/2013 4:53:30 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: soycd

I agree, except I hope it’s a very long, painful and agonizing death.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 4:59:56 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Nachum; All

After barely surviving a marriage to someone who got hooked on Oxycontin after surgery, then moved on to buying it pretty much in BULK on the black market, turned his own SON into a junkie (Son is fine now; clean and sober a good 5 years and away from his LOSER dad) then moved on to heroin, and in the process drained our retirement accounts, and gave ME the honor of paying HIM for his bad behavior on my divorce buy-out so I could keep MY Family Farm...

...I’m not so sure this is a bad idea! Nip it in the bud to some extent, at least. At least the OPIATE class of painkillers. There ARE other prescriptions to use to ease the pain.

*Dons Flame-Proof Thong* LOL!

You all KNOW I’m a Liberty Lover above all else, but if you’ve never traveled through THIS particular HELL as the wife of a junkie, keep your flames to yourself, because I won’t answer you. My mind is solidly made up on this issue.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 5:05:46 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Nachum

It would reduce bank robberies if the government closed down all banks.


16 posted on 01/25/2013 5:14:46 PM PST by Random Access
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To: soycd
Just about everyone has the same thought about these guys ~ but this is just a preliminary test drive of the sort of thing you can expect from Obama's other deathpanels ~ just this is the painpanel!

Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strap that sucker down and hear him scream!

17 posted on 01/25/2013 5:20:25 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nachum

Soooo. No pacemaker, no artificial hip - just take the pain pill.

Oops, no pain pill either.

When my revolution comes, I see gas stations and lamp posts ...


18 posted on 01/25/2013 5:32:56 PM PST by SargeK
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
You've seen it happen ~ and it can happen to about anyone ~ still, part of the problem is the primary prescription for pain killers of any kind or class is based on dosage recommendations based on average need under various conditions.

Those can be very out of whack for some people ~ or maybe even MOST people.

Interesting that the response from those in charge is to just cut the amount authorized everyone ~

That's actually very disturbing on so many levels it's difficult to believe they could come up with it. Seriously, some need more, some need less, so to deal with those who are easily addicted (or already addicted) they cut the allowable amount for everyone, even those who really do need more.

That simply doesn't follow logically from the use of the scientific method! So what's the real reason behind this? Is it possible Bloomberg has 'friends in high places' who are trying to cover for his brutality? This is what he had done when it came to his gunrunning days ~ higher ups inside the federal government decided he didn't need prosecuted for those crimes.

Must be nice to be a billionaire ~ no laws, no restrictions, no need to feel empathy..............

19 posted on 01/25/2013 5:37:04 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nachum

Most hospital ED’s are filled with drug seeking people who claim pain and go from hospital to hospital looking for narcotics... Some practical limits for frequent fliers are necessary. State or federal laws to address the problem, however, are not the answer. It can be better addressed through protocols and policies and the education of clinicians.

Central Planning and centralized micromanagement with the power and coercive power of the Police State is absolutely the worst “solution,” as usual.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 7:07:34 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: Nachum

Most pain clinics require that patients come in for monthly appointments to receive class 2 or 3 controlled substances for chronic pain. Urine drug testing is required at each visit for patients on opioids. Patients testing positive for illegal drugs may not receive narcotics for chronic pain. Lost or stolen meds or prescriptions are no excuse. Patients failing to come in for pill counts are discharged.
True, these policies are not required by law, but to remain in practice, strict policies and monitoring are absolutely necessary. The DEA is a powerful federal agency and agents are rewarded with promotion when they close down practices. Sting operations are conducted against doctors using ‘patient’ informants who are guilty of drug crimes. These informants work with the DEA against doctors to get reduced sentences. Furthermore, there are numerous examples of federal prosecutors seeking to gain notoriety. Convictions in federal court exceed 95%, no doubt because of jury intimidation by federal prosecutors, so no doctor wants to expose himself to this type of risk.
As they say, sh’**rolls downhill. If the doctor is under pressure, the patient will also suffer the consequences.


21 posted on 01/25/2013 7:57:09 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Nachum
"FDA panel votes to restrict use of painkillers"

And yet the Federal Government plans to turn a blind eye to the recreational use of Marjuana...
22 posted on 01/25/2013 8:13:33 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Nachum

Bloomberg needs to do a Charlie Crist and go back to being a democrat...


23 posted on 01/25/2013 8:39:44 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?..freeper Red Badger Let's try Criminal control - Fr:MadMax)
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To: Nachum

They can keep their pain killers for back issues TORADOL works better, faster, and is a NSAID. It is what they give the ball players who pull muscles on the court, works fast.

BTW this hospital did not even have PILLOWS.

THEN AGAIN I TAKE MY OWN MEDS WITH ME, WHY PAY THEIR PRICES.

I spent 2 trips in the ER with 1 over night and one 3 day on liquid GAG diet, so salty NO ONE could eat it. Drank the tea and juice and left the rest to melt, broth had an inch of FAT on top too.
Was ordered 2 strange drugs Bentyl...swelled my lips, tingling of lips and leg, confusion, dizzyiness had to be carried to the bathroom. Second drug CYTOTEC..supposedly to coat/protect the stomach...now I take 2- 40 mg Nexium per day as is so why would I need more....THIS IS AN ABORTION DRUG! I was in for ABDOMEN PAIN, and the IDIOT PCP tries to give me a ABORTION DRUG.

ME THE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN...I had my tablet with me and checked the crap out.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 6:06:07 AM PST by GailA ( those who do not keep promises to the Military, won't keep them to U)
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To: Nachum

Poorly written. When do these new rules take effect? And if, as it says in the article, it passed the Senate but was killed in the house, doesn’t that imply they need an act of Congress to do this?


25 posted on 01/26/2013 6:15:30 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: mlizzy

I think when they stick you on a liquid diet, the broth should not have SALT as the first ingredient and FAT as the second, and that Jello should taste like jello and pop cycles like pop cycles and not leave an after taste in your mouth.

NO one ask me if I was on a LOW SODIUM or LOW CHOLESTEROL diet.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 6:17:31 AM PST by GailA ( those who do not keep promises to the Military, won't keep them to U)
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Was ordered 2 strange drugs Bentyl...swelled my lips, tingling of lips and leg, confusion, dizzyiness had to be carried to the bathroom. Second drug CYTOTEC..supposedly to coat/protect the stomach...now I take 2- 40 mg Nexium per day as is so why would I need more....THIS IS AN ABORTION DRUG! I was in for ABDOMEN PAIN, and the IDIOT PCP tries to give me a ABORTION DRUG.

You should know that many drugs have multiple uses. Cytotec’s primary use is, and not “supposedly”, to prevent gastrointestinal problems, i.e. ulsers caused by the use of strong nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. You are correct that it is sometimes used as an abortifacient but it is also used to induce labor, to prevent and treat post-partum hemorrhage and also to treat miscarriages where the baby had died in uterus but no labor has occurred to expel the already dead fetus, i.e. not a spontaneous miscarriage, a very real and life threatening condition for the mother. Of course Cytotec should never be administered to a pregnant woman unless under certain circumstances in a low dosage to induce labor. Since I’m guessing you were not pregnant at the time of your ER visit and that one of the first things a doctor will ask any woman of child baring age is if there is any possibility that she might be pregnant before proscribing any drug, that Cytotec was not contraindicated for you given your symptoms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misoprostol

As far as Bentyl, it is not a strange drug at all. It is used to treat irritable bowel syndrome and helps to reduce the symptoms of stomach and intestinal cramping. Since you had abdominal pain severe enough for you to go to the ER, I presume this is why it was ordered for you. Yes, like many drugs, it has side effects in some people who take it, dry mouth and dizziness among them. It sounds like you had some fairly severe side effects and probably shouldn’t take it but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad drug, that all people who take it have such side effects or that it isn’t useful for treating severe intestinal cramping.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/drug-dicyclomine/article_em.htm

You should also be aware that Nexium has side effects as well: headache, diarrhea and abdominal pain.

http://www.purplepill.com/taking-nexium/side-effects.aspx

I can’t address your complaints about bad hospital food however. ; (

27 posted on 01/26/2013 6:55:37 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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Well Bentyl was a strange drug to me, and I had one whale of a bad reaction to just 1 in a matter of 2 minutes. I already was in terrible ab pain, why give me a drug that would cause more? 2 Nexium 40mg has controlled the acid reflux caused by all the Osteo A & P drugs they have tried, which have horrid GI side effects on me. I am one of the most drug sensitive people, especially if it has to do with GI or muscles.

He did not tell me what the drugs were for, or I would have politely declined the Cytotec on RELIGIOUS grounds.

My PCP is a one drug doctor CHOLESTEROL, says I box him in, NO he boxes himself in by trying to force me to take GI or muscle side effect drugs which he is just guessing at will work.


28 posted on 01/27/2013 6:25:42 AM PST by GailA ( those who do not keep promises to the Military, won't keep them to U)
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To: grumpygresh

State of TN pain docs do just what u describe

I get 20 mg of Percocet/day and i do that.....
Neck injections etc

Here in TN all your legal dope scripts are on a program reviewed by every drugstore

Been like that for years

They used to update monthly....but now weekly


29 posted on 01/27/2013 10:05:13 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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