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Map: Which countries allow women in front-line combat roles?
The Washington Post ^ | January 25, 2013 | Max Fisher

Posted on 01/25/2013 5:28:07 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

When outgoing U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced that he had lifted the Pentagon’s ban on allowing women to serve in front-line combat roles, one of several questions it raised was: Is that unusual? Do a lot of countries allow women to serve in combat? The answer is that many Western, developed countries have women on their front-line forces. But outside of the West, it’s rare.

The map at the top of this page shows in red which countries formally permit women in combat positions. Shown in orange are countries that allow women to serve in military roles that involve fighting but not front-line combat. That typically means fighter pilots. In South Korea, women also serve in artillery and armored units.

A note on the data: It comes from piecemeal sources, mostly gathered by Foreign Policy’s Joshua Keating in this great overview (see also: National Geographic, NPR, New York Times). Rules and their enforcement for military servicewomen vary in different countries. And it’s possible that women serve in de facto combat roles in some countries not included here.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: militarywomen; womenincombat

1 posted on 01/25/2013 5:28:28 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Pakistan? Allowing women to blow themselves up on a public bus doesn’t count.


2 posted on 01/25/2013 5:32:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican

I’m not the most militarily aware person, before but I’m not aware of any country that allows women on the front lines, in terms of being in the foxholes and trenches. They may be on the front lines in some other capacity, but somebody can correct me on this.


3 posted on 01/25/2013 5:35:40 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

4 posted on 01/25/2013 5:39:20 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown

European countries don’t count either....military...WHAT MILITARY????


5 posted on 01/25/2013 5:47:54 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kolath

We’re headed for a European style military.


6 posted on 01/25/2013 5:56:55 PM PST by izzatzo
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To: facedown

When was the last time Canada went to war?

That’s what I thought.


7 posted on 01/25/2013 6:06:04 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: unixfox

We’ve only been in every single action that has transpired since WWI. I know it’s not much, bug we’ve been there.


8 posted on 01/25/2013 6:16:51 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: unixfox
When was the last time Canada went to war?

I'm sorry Posnix, but I have to take issue with this comment. While I was stationed in Iraq with USAF Special Operations, I worked along side the Canadians, the Brit's, and the Aussies. Throw in a health portion of Army and Navy Special Forces and it sure made for some interesting dinner conversation. All meant - and taken - in good fun. And yes, there were women from all countries there, including the US.

9 posted on 01/25/2013 6:25:53 PM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: unixfox

“When was the last time Canada went to war?”

Oh, we never have.
But we still observe Remembrance Day every year to pay tribute to the hundreds of thousands of military personnal who have died from accidents while serving.

Just for you, I’ll include the /s.


10 posted on 01/25/2013 6:30:37 PM PST by Dartman
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To: Jonty30
Just recently read a book about your gutsy ASW guys in WWII. Very impressive.
11 posted on 01/25/2013 6:39:08 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: unixfox

I’m sure the families of the 158 Canadians who’ve died in Afghanistan and the 2,000 or so who’ve been injured appreciate just how much you value their sacrifices.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 6:43:18 PM PST by GrootheWanderer
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To: unixfox
Think again, asshole.

As a percentage of population, Canadians have given their full measure of devotion more often then virtually any other nation. Since the end of the Cold War Canada has committed troops and blood in the Gulf War, the Balkans, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. That doesn't include peace keeping duties in Cyprus, the Congo, Golan, and Sinai.

13 posted on 01/25/2013 6:47:55 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Isn’t the record holder for the longest sniper kill held by a Canadian who served in Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan?


14 posted on 01/25/2013 6:56:37 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

If I remember correctly, the parties involved (not Canadian) requested that sniper team.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 7:16:07 PM PST by Dartman
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To: GunRunner
The current record holder is an unnamed Aussie - 3,080 yards, although at one time Canadian Rob Furlong held the record at over 2,650. That actually brings us back to women in combat -

Here's Major Lyudmilla Pavlichenko, after finishing her Masters in History, she managed to make a little of her own by sending over 300 Germans to early graves. If they are capable, I welcome patriots of either gender...

16 posted on 01/25/2013 7:19:08 PM PST by stormer
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To: Squawk 8888

ping


17 posted on 01/25/2013 7:19:44 PM PST by Dartman
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To: facedown

Let’s analyze the countries which have women in combat roles, shall we?

Israel doesn’t count. They wouldn’t have women in such positions if it wasn’t absolutely necessary seeing as they’re invaded every year by some cadre of Jihadists.

Eritrea is a third-world sh&thole people brave minefields to escape from.

No surprises in North Korea. The Dear Marshal will throw out any human fodder he can find.

Romania, not exactly a military model. Have they won a war in the last two hundred years? Along with a collection of EU and EU aligned socialist republics, sorely lacking any morality, and very much spoiled by US military presence.

As for Canada and Australia, I am surprised. Not so much by Australia. Any nation that would elect Gillard has walked off the European cliff already, but Canada. Disappointing, guys.

It’s wrong for any nation to put women in the same combat roles as men. It is yet another attempt to create equality where none can ever exist, and impedes on military operation, efficiency, and undermines centuries of proud tradition. Just as only a woman can serve a role as a mother, only a man can serve a role as a front line soldier.

Notice that the vast majority of African countries (exclude the Muslim ones for a second), which are rife with civil war and corruption, torture, child soldiers, often times genocide or mass killing, even they do not go as far as to put women in the position of male soldiers. Even supposedly equal Red China doesn’t practice this! Can we hold ourselves to at least that standard.
No, obviously not. Because we have a Leninist usurper in the White House, and a dried up salamander in the Pentagon.


18 posted on 01/25/2013 7:25:10 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: stormer
I'll leave those with combat experience to make the call on women in combat.

I did read an article today about a guy describing conditions in long term troop transport vehicle missions. He said that during the battle of Baghdad he and his unit were crammed into transports for 12-14 hours at a time that didn't stop for bathroom breaks, and you had guys peeing into bottles and defecating into used MRE bags, often by troops who had dysentery. He wondered how women and men would react to that situation in a mixed sex unit.

The Israelis have women in combat, so that's a plus.

19 posted on 01/25/2013 7:30:33 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

I believe the Israelis have not had women in combat units defined as front line infantry, not fighter pilots since 1948. What they found out is that the Arab opponent would fight to the death if aware they were fighting against women, otherwise they would accept surrendering.


20 posted on 01/25/2013 8:28:56 PM PST by gusty
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To: unixfox; Jonty30; Dartman; GrootheWanderer; stormer
Canada has lost more men to the War in Afghanistan than any country except the US and UK.

Thank you. We honor your sacrifice and cherish your friendship. We will not forget.

21 posted on 01/25/2013 8:55:49 PM PST by FredZarguna ("The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -- Henry the Sixth Part II, 4.2.71-78)
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To: MinorityRepublican; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; ...
Thanks Dartman.

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

22 posted on 01/25/2013 9:23:18 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Viennacon
Israel doesn’t count.

what kind of argument is that? Ignore the facts that are inconvenient and harp on others? Of course Isreal counts. Women do very well in the Israeli military - and standards are not lowered because of their inclusion.

Women have been in battle throughout the centuries - It's no accident that Mars was God of War, but Mathematics, Logic, and Battle Strategy belonged to a woman-- the Goddess Minerva. Roman generals made offerings to Minerva before a battle, because they really, really wanted to win.

23 posted on 01/25/2013 9:35:10 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

This is worth repeating! Thanks.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 8:21:36 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why is Israel on that map? Based of Israels experience with woman in combat during the 1948 war Israel banned woman in combat in 1950.


25 posted on 01/26/2013 8:32:34 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Washington Post. Playing fast and loose with the facts for a number of these countries, including Israel.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 8:37:58 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
"The image of the gun-toting Israeli woman warrior is widely seen as the prototype of a gender-blind military. Reality is different. Israeli women are subject to the draft — but they serve two years while men serve three. Women also were barred from direct combat until 2000, when the first and so far only mixed gender infantry battalion was organized. The Caracal battalion, which is about 60 percent female, was assigned to patrol the relatively quiet borders with Jordan and Egypt. Still, more than 90 percent of Israel’s military jobs are open to women — including high-risk posts such as air force pilots, air defense, naval gunboat crews, artillery and search and rescue. But the five major infantry brigades are still all-male."
27 posted on 01/26/2013 8:43:42 AM PST by jpsb
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
In an interview with Voice of Israel government-run radio, Ron-Tal said that “It turns out that the amount of stress fractures suffered by soldiers is dozens of percentage points higher among women than among men. As a result, the female soldiers are not required to carry as much weight.”

“I think that women’s service in combat roles in the IDF should not be widened,” he said. “I cannot even imagine a female soldier serving inside a tank or in elite infantry units, mostly because of operational considerations. The army must not allow this thing to interfere with its operational ability.

Laws that mandate the inclusion of women in combat units “place the military in a nearly impossible situation,” he said. “Expanding female service will be a grave mistake that will damage the prowess of the army. Women’s service in roles that are not suited to them might harm state security,” he warned.

General Ron-Tal led the fight to include woman in combat roles ten years ago. He evidentially has relearned the lessons of the 1948 war.

28 posted on 01/26/2013 8:55:09 AM PST by jpsb
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

No. If this nation was under constant threat from Canada and Mexico, I would be in favor of putting women into combat because there would be no other choice. This is why Israel is justified. Since we do not have this issue, we have no excuse.

As has been said before, there is no problem with women serving in the military in support roles, but to place them on an equal footing with men when it comes to combat is a gross and unnecessary alteration to the already superior structure of the US military.
Please, when the first videos come back from the Middle East of women having their heads cut off after being raped, tell us then that you’ll be happy to have your daughters or granddaughters drafted like males.


29 posted on 01/26/2013 11:10:56 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: skeeter
Pakistan? Allowing women to blow themselves up on a public bus doesn’t count.

Ummmm, this is from the Washington Post... a group that was appalled by Nixon Administration lies about Watergate, but fine with Obama Administration lies about Benghazi... Truth doesn't matter to liberal MSM folks...

30 posted on 01/26/2013 12:40:43 PM PST by GOPJ ( Do murder laws control murders?..freeper Red Badger Let's try Criminal control - Fr:MadMax)
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To: unixfox

I served with CJSOTF-A in 2006. We had Canadian soldiers.


31 posted on 01/26/2013 1:07:01 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: coop71
One of the best modern images of a Minerva-like warrior is with the image Britannia. The Brits for centuries have never had a problem with the notion of a female figure either engaging in war or peace.

32 posted on 01/26/2013 6:27:41 PM PST by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

I love it!


33 posted on 01/26/2013 6:51:03 PM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Viennacon
As for Canada and Australia, I am surprised. Not so much by Australia. Any nation that would elect Gillard has walked off the European cliff already, but Canada.

Actually, we've never elected Gillard in Australia. She originally became Prime Minister when her party changed leaders in an internal vote, and though she held onto power at the 2010 election, it was as a leader of a minority government and only because two conservative independents betrayed their constituencies (a third joined them in giving her power, but he only did so after it became clear the other two doing so had rendered a conservative government numerically impossible and he decided better to support Labor than render the country ungovernable).

But in terms of Australian women serving in combat, yes, that's a Gillard initiative, announced in late 2011 to try and counter a sex scandal at the Australian Defence Force Academy. Women now have the legal right to serve in frontline combat roles from 2016 onwards - it hasn't happened yet, and if the polls are correct, we'll have a conservative government again before the end of the year, which will 'review the decision'.

34 posted on 01/27/2013 4:24:02 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Good information. Thanks for that. Every time Obama and Gillard meet, she seems as adoring as the mainstream media, slathering like an idiot.


35 posted on 01/27/2013 3:55:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: unixfox
When was the last time Canada went to war? That’s what I thought.

Unifox you've been hanging around FR a long time.
I'm surprised at your ignorance.

36 posted on 01/27/2013 4:03:27 PM PST by BluH2o
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