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Jonbenet Ramsey murder: Grand Jury Voted to Indict Parents, Former DA Refused To Sign
The Denver Channel.com ^ | Last Updated: 10 minutes ago

Posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:08 PM PST by drewh

Posted: 01/27/2013 Last Updated: 10 minutes ago

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BOULDER, Colo. - A grand jury investigating Jonbenet Ramsey's death voted to indict her parents on child abuse resulting in death in 1999, according to an exclusive report by our partners at The Boulder Daily Camera.

However, then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter refused to sign the indictment and prosecute the case, the Camera reports. Hunter reportedly believed he could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

The 6-year-old beauty queen was found dead in her home on Christmas night in 1996.

Police initially suspected family members, including her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, and her brother, Burke.

But in 2008, District Attorney Mary Lacy cleared Jonbenet's parents and brother based on updated DNA analysis.

(Excerpt) Read more at thedenverchannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: jonbenet; jonbenetramsey; ramsey

1 posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:15 PM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

A grand jury determines pnobable cause, the prosector should have no say in whether the state can prove the case. In fact, why bring it before a grand jury if one is not inclined to be bound by their decision? Another travesty even though in this case the subject may have indeed not been guilty of murder, however, the charge was not murder, it was child abuse apparently.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 12:26:50 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: drewh

Everybody knows it was a “small foreign faction”, and not that nutty mom.


3 posted on 01/27/2013 12:31:46 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: drewh

The Ramsey case seems like a million years ago given all that has transpired since then.


4 posted on 01/27/2013 12:35:43 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

That girl would be something like 22 or 23 years old now. It was a while ago.


5 posted on 01/27/2013 12:38:14 PM PST by GnL
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To: drewh; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; porter_knorr; Canadian Outrage; kcvl; Malachi; nuntukamen; ...

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. . . . Jonbenet

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6 posted on 01/27/2013 12:40:40 PM PST by LucyT (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: drewh

I don’t trust Grand Juries.


7 posted on 01/27/2013 12:47:16 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Mouton; drewh
A grand jury determines pnobable cause, the prosector should have no say in whether the state can prove the case.

Actually the purpose of a Grand Jury is protect the accused from overly-zealous prosecutions by a DA.

The Fifth Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury,

A presumption of innocence would permit a DA to refrain from indicting an individual.

What I consider odd is that the DA would take the case to a Grand Jury if he did not consider the evidence adequate to go to trial in the first place.

8 posted on 01/27/2013 12:47:45 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: drewh

Thailand?


9 posted on 01/27/2013 12:49:05 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1684872/posts

A classic!


10 posted on 01/27/2013 12:56:08 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: drewh

I’d bet the clothes on my back that either one (or both) of the parents *did* it or *knew* who did it.


11 posted on 01/27/2013 1:00:32 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Mouton

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury”

Which is exactly what was to happen...the grand jury returned a true bill regarding child abuse. The prosecutor declined to sign it? I am not familiar with criminal procedure in Colorado but it seems to me if the prosecutor presented the case for indictment, he would be bound to abide by the decision of the jurors. He could in the interest of justice move to have the indictment dismissed and present that before a court, no? But not signing it makes no sense. I also agree, why bring it to the GJ in the first place? Perhaps this was a CYA that blew up in his face???


12 posted on 01/27/2013 1:03:54 PM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I never once, not even for a second, believed that either parent were involved.


13 posted on 01/27/2013 1:13:42 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers
"I never once, not even for a second, believed that either parent were involved. "

I agree completely. I followed everything I could on that case, and the only thing I was completely convinced of was the incompetence of most of the Colorado cops.

14 posted on 01/27/2013 1:35:38 PM PST by matthew fuller (The ultimate horror flick- 2016 Obama's America.)
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To: drewh

Ex-Housekeeper Says Patsy
Ramsey Killed JonBenet

http://rense.com/general11/benet.htm

She said she told the grand jury that Patsy had become very moody right before Christmas of 1996. “I think she had multiple personalities. She’d be in a good mood and then she’d be cranky. She got into arguments with JonBenet about wearing a dress or about a friend coming over. I had never seen Patsy so upset.
 
“I don’t believe Patsy meant to kill her. I truly believe it was an accident that just continued,” said Hoffmann-Pugh, who worked in the Ramsey house until three days before the slaying on Dec. 26, 1996, and testified before the grand jury in January 1999.
 
The Ramseys have maintained they had nothing to do with their daughter’s death.
 
The grand jury adjourned in October 1999 after 13 months. No indictments were issued. The grand jury, and then-District Attorney Alex Hunter, never issued a report about its investigation.
 
Hoffmann-Pugh, whose efforts to change grand-jury rules were supported by the Ramseys, on Thursday handed out a packet of what she said were six handwriting experts’ analyses of Patsy Ramsey’s handwriting samples.
 
All six said it was highly probable that Patsy wrote the ransom note, which was found in the Ramsey house about six hours before the body was found in the basement, she said. Hoffmann-Pugh said she is convinced Patsy wrote the ransom note.
 
The Ramseys have never produced a written handwriting report, Hoffmann-Pugh said. “I had to give handwriting samples to the police. Why didn’t she? I had to testify before the grand jury. Why didn’t she?” Hoffmann-Pugh asked rhetorically. She testified for eight hours before the grand jury.


15 posted on 01/27/2013 1:44:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: drewh

‘But in 2008, District Attorney Mary Lacy cleared Jonbenet’s parents and brother based on updated DNA analysis.”

I fail to understand how DNA can ever clear anyone. May someone extremely less likely as a suspect but clear?


16 posted on 01/27/2013 1:52:16 PM PST by Cyman
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To: eddie willers

I never once, not even for a second, believed a kid could be killed in the basement of the home without at least the consent and probably the activity of BOTH parents.


17 posted on 01/27/2013 1:56:14 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: Mouton

The situation is much worse in reverse, when the grand jury clearly would not indict, so the prosecutor decides not to submit it to the grand jury and presses on with his own indictment. That’s what happened to George Zimmerman.


18 posted on 01/27/2013 2:48:44 PM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: discostu
I never once, not even for a second, believed a kid could be killed in the basement of the home without at least the consent and probably the activity of BOTH parents.

The only theory I thought plausible by way of an "inside job" scenario, was of the brother doing the killing and the parents covering up so as to not lose both children.

19 posted on 01/27/2013 3:31:28 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

Too complicated, the easy explanation is one of the parents killed her, maybe on accident (punishment gone wrong), maybe on purpose (serious perversions I’d rather not contemplate). But there’s no way other than an inside job they could “search” the house multiple times and not find her, not to mention the absurdity of the multiple page ransom note written on site. The parents simply had to be involved, either that or the criminal was ridiculously brazen AND lucky the household found a way to sleep through the whole thing.


20 posted on 01/27/2013 3:38:38 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: DesertRhino

LOL! Yeah, I agree.


21 posted on 01/27/2013 3:53:00 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Pontiac

” ... odd is that the DA would take the case to a Grand Jury if he did not consider the evidence adequate to go to trial in the first place.”

That caught my attention, too. It could be that it was brought to the GJ by a prior DA? My memory is that there were a couple of DAs over the course of this story that went on for years.


22 posted on 01/27/2013 3:54:26 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: eddie willers

“I never once, not even for a second, believed that either parent were involved.”

Then you didn’t pay attention. They were guilty as Hell.


23 posted on 01/27/2013 4:57:49 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: drewh

From FOX
“....”We didn’t know who did what,” one juror told the newspaper. “But we felt the adults in the house may have done something that they certainly could have prevented, or they could have helped her, and they didn’t.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/28/jonbenet-ramsey-grand-jury-reportedly-voted-to-indict-parents-but-da-refused-to/#ixzz2JHO6G4zI


Granted, I am no legal brain, but there is so much wrong with that statement. They voted to put 2 people on trial for their lives because of how they felt?

I have never believed the Ramseys were guilty


24 posted on 01/28/2013 6:24:27 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: discostu

I think JonBenet died accidentally, perhaps from horsing around with her brother, and the parents flipped out and tried to make it look like an abduction/murder. My guess is that Patsy wrote the “ransom note” in an attempt to cover their tracks. But with Patsy now deceased, unless the father or brother talk, the whole story will never be known.


25 posted on 01/28/2013 6:43:08 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: EDINVA
My memory is that there were a couple of DAs over the course of this story that went on for years.

Typically a Grand Jury is impaneled for only a specific period. Generally 90 days.

The GJ will then meet only once a week and then only if the Prosecutor has a case for them to review.

Only on rare occasions is a special GJ empanelled for a specific case that will be seated long term.

Judges are reluctant to seat a special GD because it is a great imposition on people’s time and it is difficult for people to remain impartial on such cases today because of all of the news coverage of such a case.

A prosecutor could certainly take the same case to a GJ more than once. If more than one prosecutor worked the case it certainly could have gone before different GJs.

26 posted on 01/28/2013 12:49:59 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

ok, I have a memory, tho, of a former co-worker who’d been called for jury duty that evolved into being asked to serve on a Grand Jury and she was to serve on it for 18 months which about drove her over the edge.


27 posted on 01/28/2013 1:06:18 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Mouton

The problem here is that the grand jury is presented one side of the case, which was not even for the murder of Jon Benet.


28 posted on 01/28/2013 1:13:00 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Mouton

The problem here is that the grand jury is presented one side of the case, which was not even for the murder of Jon Benet.


29 posted on 01/28/2013 1:13:20 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Thailand????

( running for cover, but someone had to say it:). )


30 posted on 01/29/2013 6:19:38 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: EDINVA
Was that a special Grand Jury? That seems like a very long time to ask someone to serve on a GJ.

You live in a different state so the time period could be different. I just can’t imagine the county imposing on a citizen’s time for that long a period for just a common GJ.

31 posted on 01/29/2013 4:54:24 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: eddie willers
I never once, not even for a second, believed that either parent were involved.

I didn't as well. I believe the Boulder P.D. botched the investigation from the outset and then tried to blame the parents. Renowned FBI criminal profiler John Douglas in his book "The Cases That Haunt Us" painted a pretty compelling picture that the parents had nothing to do with her murder. After reading it, I believe him.

32 posted on 01/29/2013 5:11:45 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Pontiac

This was in NYC maybe 30 years ago. But I do remember her going absolutely nuts at the thought of the 18 mo GJ. It may have met only 1-2 days a week. Honestly, I can’t remember the details beyond her reaction to 18 months.

She’d been called for a regular jury duty then made the mistake of greeting one of the attorneys she knew, so she got kicked out of that jury pool and into the GJ.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:13:35 PM PST by EDINVA
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