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Push for all younger women to register with Selective Service gaining steam
nbcnews.com ^ | January 29, 2013 | Bill Briggs

Posted on 01/29/2013 7:12:33 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

adies, for the first time ever, Uncle Sam soon may be pointing at you.

Days after the Pentagon cleared women to take certain combat roles, advocacy groups for military women say another new hour has arrived for all young female adults to register with Selective Service, the giant pool of names collected by the government should America ever opt to revive the draft.

The movement to require women ages 18 to 25 to sign up for Selective Service — mirroring the law for all U.S. men in that demographic — is rooted in both active-duty and veteran circles.

The Service Women’s Action Network (SWAN), which strives to represent all women in the armed forces, believes such a change is simply the logical next step to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta’s decision last week to erase the long prohibition on females in combat.

“SWAN advocates for the inclusion of women into Selective Service,” said Anu Bhagwati, executive director of SWAN and a former Marine Corps captain. “Lifting the ban on women officially serving in combat is about giving qualified women the opportunity to serve and making our military stronger, and that would include having women register for Selective Service."

“If you are going to say ‘total equality’ in the military, that has to include Selective Service registration,” agreed Cassaundra StJohn, founder and CEO of F7 Group, which provides resources, training and mentoring to female veterans. StJohn served in the Air Force and Air Force Reserve between 1985 and 1998, reaching the rank of staff sergeant.

Amid his historic announcement last week, Panetta alerted administrators of the Selective Service System “to exercise some judgment based on what we just did.”

Selective Service officials heard that remark. Since then the agency — an independent office within the executive branch — has been conducting a "what-if drill" in case a Defense official or Congressional member asks what adding women to agency's workload would cost the country, said Pat Schuback, spokesperson for Selective Service.

"We're not the policy-making group. We're kind of like mechanics. We just do what we're told to do. We have the mechanism. We don't hold a position on whether to draft women or not," Schuback said.

Should that change occur, Selective Service — which has about 130 full-time employees across the country — would "need to be probably resourced a little bit," Schuback added. "But we don't anticipate that it would be a lot because the machinery's the same. It would be in the man hours of answering the inquires, handling questions and doing direct mails out to people to remind them" to register.

Panetta also set a May 15 deadline for each service branch to provide “detailed plans for implementation” on how female service members will be placed into combat duties, said Nathan Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman.

“Following that, a formal notification to Congress will be made, detailing (combat) occupations that will be opened to women,” Christensen said. “Selective Service requirements are determined by law, and we can't speculate on any changes to law.”

However, federal law does require DOD — after making such sweeping policy changes — to provide a breakdown of the impact those shifts may have on the Selective Service Act, senior Defense officials said in a briefing last week. That analysis, they added, “will be part of the notification to Congress” made by DOD after each branch reports back to Panetta in May.

One female veteran who was attached with an infantry team in Ghazni, Afghanistan, argues that with the female-combat ban gone, women should now be Constitutionally guaranteed the right to be eligible for Selective Service — and a possible military draft.

“It can be hard to adapt to new customs. There will be some feathers ruffled,” said Courtney Witt, a former Air Force senior airman, who also served in Iraq. “... It is a little difficult, for some, to see our daughters, sisters and wives go off into war.

“I can’t explain the feeling you have when you have fought alongside brothers and sisters in arms. It’s a bond that can never be broken ... It’s an amazing patriotic feeling,” Witt said. “Shouldn’t any man or woman be a part of that?”

The drawdown of U.S. forces and the pullout from Afghanistan make the chances of a draft reinstatement far less likely than, say, even eight years ago when Coalition forces were battle-thin and bogged down in Iraq, experts say.

But there are some in Washington who still favor bringing back the draft — as a deterrent to war.

In 2010, Rep. Charles Rangel, D.-N.Y., reintroduced a bill that would require all U.S. men and women between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either in the military or in a civilian service that helps national defense. The bill died in committee.

At least four times before, Rangel has written similar bills that would have restored the draft.

“There's no question in my mind," Rangel told the New York Times in 2007, "that we wouldn't be in Iraq ... if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way."


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1 posted on 01/29/2013 7:12:36 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Here we go.....


2 posted on 01/29/2013 7:15:07 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m sure liberal men would send their womenfolk out late at night to deal with prowlers, too.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 7:17:15 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If women want to be treated equally, then, there should be nothing to stop them.

Then, they had better be equal in all respects and capacities. For example, they had better be able to carry a wounded soldier of about 165 pounds on their shoulder for about 100 years, or whatever is the requirements lately. No dumbing down, and no downgrading of the requirements. War is war, and nobody gets a break when in battle.


4 posted on 01/29/2013 7:19:17 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

My daughter is 22. She has never fired a gun. All her life all she had to do was say “DAD! Shoot that SOB!” SOOOO...if they draft her I am certain of what she will say....


5 posted on 01/29/2013 7:19:37 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: Nowhere Man

First gays, now females.. Someone is working hard to castrate our military. Or create a military that would follow orders to shoot civilians? Gay power, Girl power?


6 posted on 01/29/2013 7:20:52 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I remember being marched through the Oakland induction center with about 5,000 other guys when registered for the draft in 1966. I can’t wait to hear the squawking when the gals are ordered to come in and get their physicals so they can be classified.


7 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:04 PM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
advocacy groups for military women

That is to say, old maids being groomed to be rear-eschelon officerettes like Janice "light-fingers" Karpinski—the shoplifting general who gave us Abu Ghraib. Such are not the country-girl grunts and inner-city chicks who would actually get shot at, who oppose sending girls like themselves into combat 8-1 or more.

8 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:18 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

This will change when the first bomb falls on US soil.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 7:24:19 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: adorno

You know “Affirmative Action” is coming. The men will have the standards lowered.


10 posted on 01/29/2013 7:25:51 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: adorno
they had better be able to carry a wounded soldier of about 165 pounds on their shoulder for about 100 years

I'm not sure any country would be worth that kind of commitment!

11 posted on 01/29/2013 7:27:17 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No, my girls won’t be registering for anything. They don’t belong to the state.


12 posted on 01/29/2013 7:27:58 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Speaking of someone “ball-less”, if Bath-House-Barry didn’t register with Selective Service, why should anyone else?


13 posted on 01/29/2013 7:32:23 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: adorno

Women soldiers are not going to be held to male standards in the future, nor was that the plan in the beginning. The government will lower the standards as far as they have to, regardless of the impact. That’s not an unintended consequence; that’s the idea.

They don’t care that the military is being weakened. That doesn’t scare them. They *want* that. They never intend to use the military for ground combat. They’ll either use drones or they’ll use nothing.

The military is just a government bureaucracy for delivering aid now. They’re going to slash the budget and kill the culture, leaving behind an armed version of the post office. And that will be that.


14 posted on 01/29/2013 7:34:49 PM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What’s so interesting is that the people who seem to be clamoring for women in combat, and a return of the Draft are the exact ones who rioted against the Draft in the 60s.


15 posted on 01/29/2013 7:35:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They can register my daughters right after they register my guns.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 7:35:53 PM PST by antidisestablishment (Our people perish through lack of wisdom, but they are content in their ignorance.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In 1972, Rep. John G. Schmitz (R-Calif.) published a pamphlet entitled Look Out! They're Planning to Draft Your Daughter! (Belmont, Mass.: American Opinion, 1972). Although the pamphlet was primarily concerned with the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, Schmit was way ahead of his time in when it came to drafting women into the armed forces.

Incidentally, Schmitz, as the nominee of the American Independent party, ran against President Richard Nixon that same year and netted more than a million votes.

17 posted on 01/29/2013 7:38:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: antidisestablishment

The thought of my granddaughters registering for the draft just sickens me.

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18 posted on 01/29/2013 7:42:07 PM PST by Mears
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To: SamuraiScot

If women are so damned eager to get into combat it cannot be on a “only if they feel like it” basis. They get the full package or not at all.


19 posted on 01/29/2013 7:42:44 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Nowhere Man

Im sure the bum in the White House is all for it.


20 posted on 01/29/2013 7:44:58 PM PST by funfan
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To: Nowhere Man

Im sure the bum in the White House is all for it.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 7:45:09 PM PST by funfan
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To: SamuraiScot
And I fully understand of course that many women oppose this whole fiasco, and most men, myself included, abhor the thought of girls going into combat.

But this is the result of decades of feminazi liberal push. We should have pushed back harder when we had the chance, now we all pay a price.

22 posted on 01/29/2013 7:45:39 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hahahaha.

Where’s “Walks like a ducks” Selective Service registration card?

Oh yeah....HAHAHAHAHA! Quacks like a duck can’t produce an egg, let alone a card.

Hahahaha!


23 posted on 01/29/2013 7:45:49 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
“It can be hard to adapt to new customs. There will be some feathers ruffled,” said Courtney Witt, a former Air Force senior airman, who also served in Iraq. “... It is a little difficult, for some, to see our daughters, sisters and wives go off into war.

I always look to a former USAF E4 for heavy thinking on national security affairs...how could we go wrong???

24 posted on 01/29/2013 7:46:11 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Steel Wolf
the military brass care only about their promotions and their rank.....this is the falacy about the military....that they are all selfless patriots...

sorry, but its not true....we're seeing it before our eyes....

end pensions and you'll see who really sticks around in the service....

stop making mercenaries out of out military by having dangling carrots infront of them...

25 posted on 01/29/2013 7:48:41 PM PST by cherry
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To: adorno
The problem is not all women are crying to be treated the same as men it the F****** activists and politicians that push this crap. Think Sandra Fluke she is the type that pulls this type of activism she and others like her and Hillary do not speak for me or my kids they can all go the hell and they can take Rangle with them.
26 posted on 01/29/2013 7:51:05 PM PST by funfan
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To: adorno

And now, they’ll get to deal with the penalty for not registering for Selective Service, chief among these for young people is not being able to receive federal financial aid.

There’s also states that enact penalties and denial of state aid for not registering.


27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:00:05 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I say Sasha & Malia should set the tone & be the first to register for selective service.


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:03:50 PM PST by deputytess (Men of the West .....stand and FIGHT!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Selective Service Law REQUIRES Illegal Immigrants to register for Selective Service. In researching the stats a couple years ago, the registration for Illegal Immigrants is near ZERO compliance compared with approx 95% compliance for American Citizen Males and Legal Residents. Illegal Immigrants and Legal Residents are REQUIRED to register if living in the US for more than a year (unless a treaty with their government does not allow SService registration). Failure to do so (even if older than 25, but was living here during the registration age and failed to register) has consequences for the AMERICAN CITIZEN, LEGAL RESIDENT, and Illegal Immigrant. No Federal Benefits, Student Loans, Federal jobs, and if a Legal Resident or an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT, MAY PREVENT CITIZENSHIP.

What the Heck does the Illegal Immigrant Lobby not understand about that? American citizens and Legal Residents are required to follow the LAW but here’s another LAW Illegal Immigrants can thumb their nose at and get REWARDED.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:05:23 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Duly noted all of this is coming out after the elections.
30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:07:12 PM PST by QT3.14 (Political Correctness: Intellectual AIDS - It sickens and kills everything it touches ~ Wm. Lind)
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To: adorno

While men and women are equal as persons, I do not want to be treated like a man and I do not want my daughters treated like a man. If some women want to be treated like a men, that is their choice but do not force it on the rest of us.


31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:08:20 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is shameful to even suggest it. A civilized country wouldn’t even think of such a concept.


32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:09:21 PM PST by Girlene
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To: SamuraiScot

I wonder if zero’s daughters will be drafted, or will they be exempted? Different strokes for different folks, ya know. I can’t find the words to express my disdain for the American voters who put this POS back in office. I’ve even shut off long-standing friends because they voted for him - that’s how deep my loathing goes.


33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:10:44 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Tailgunner Joe
My brother was a Marine. Although I considered myself a feminine girl, did my hair and make-up, I also started on and played three varsity sports in High School, and was all-league in two. I shot my brothers AR-15 300 yds dead on when he'd take me shooting and when we'd go camping as a family he and I would carry a canoe, each have a back pack and go off further into the woods, sometimes miles, and fish some rarely seen Adirondack streams just because we could.

But there is NO WAY IN HELL I was strong enough to be on the front lines in a war situation. I can face reality, I'm built differently. The world is upside down. I understand the point that if women are going to be on the front lines, they should have to register with selective service. But they shouldn't have to register because they shouldn't be on the front lines! My daughters WILL NOT be drafted! If one of my daughters were drafted and faced a front line deployment... I don't know what I'd do!

34 posted on 01/29/2013 8:12:30 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m sure all those illegal men and women (dreamers too) will be going down to register.


35 posted on 01/29/2013 8:18:12 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Soylent Green is Boomers)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Don’t forget the Boy Scouts.

What they are doing is destroying every vestige of masculinity left in America.

They want a nation of frightened little pussies who turn to big tough dykes to protect them.

But the big tough dyke works for the government.

And it is the big tough dyke who has her boot on your neck pushing you to the ground.

But you are right, Obammie the Commie and all those who pull his strings, are SABOTAGING America.


36 posted on 01/29/2013 8:28:12 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Phyllis Schlafly warned about this over 40 years ago when the crybaby-libhags were moaning about “equality.”


37 posted on 01/29/2013 8:30:11 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: SuziQ

Have you read Animal Farm?

These are the new, righteous, caring Socialist Pigs. They replaced the old, greedy, Capitalistic, Chauvinistic Pigs of yesterday.

So they are good tyrants.


38 posted on 01/29/2013 8:30:57 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: MacMattico

Yes, you do.

You’d do exactly what the rest of us would do.

You’d pack your family up and head out of the country.

If I had a daughter, I’d never let he be drafted to go fight in a war.

If I had a son, I’d never let him fight in a war caused by the Socialist economic policies of Obammie and his Commies.

Obammie the Commie would love to see millions of middle-class white boys and girls get killed in a war caused by deficit spending. He considers that part of his social justice, because it was always minorities that died in the “white man’s wars.” Yes, that is a factual lie, but it is the one Rev. Wrong preached to Obammie the Commie for 20 years.

You think I’m kidding?


39 posted on 01/29/2013 8:36:09 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If Obama is going to have a totalitarian state, he will need a means to control and indoctrinate all the young people, not just the men. The draft is the perfect way to do it. This whole thing seems to be happening with increasing speed. Health care, EPA/CO2 regulations, gun control, food stamps, student loans, immigration, and now the draft.


40 posted on 01/29/2013 8:36:37 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

You have to understand that Rush is correct when he says that the goal of the feminazis (not the same as a feminist) is to destroy your ability and freedom to choose not to be a feminazi.


41 posted on 01/29/2013 8:37:50 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why don’t we just make the armed services an all women deal? Enough of the whining about inequality, from now on women can handle all of our national defense needs. Man up, ladies, the job is all yours now.


42 posted on 01/29/2013 8:40:18 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I don’t think you’re kidding at all. Agree 100%


43 posted on 01/29/2013 8:46:50 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: steve86
After the first 50 years I'd shoot anyone who dared play this song.
44 posted on 01/29/2013 8:47:19 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

this is one of the saddest times in the history of our country.


45 posted on 01/29/2013 8:48:42 PM PST by terycarl
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To: MacMattico

It’s about population control. As I said in another thread, this will give them the ability draft like they did in the 1960’s. The women drafted will be predominantly those who can’t afford college or can’t get in. Ie, flyover country girls.

The elites are planning on another war we won’t be allowed to win. This time the benefit they will get will be lots of dead flyover country women. Thus eliminating any troublesome children they might have gone on to bear. Make no mistake, the practice of getting pg to get out of hard duty will end. Depo or its equivalent will become mandatory. Pg’s will be ended with force if necessary. If they can vax your sons with who knows what experimental vaccines (and supreme court has sided with the military on this one), they can jolly well suck your grandkid out by force at 6 or 8w.

Elite girls unfortunate enough to fall through the cracks and girls with a minority card to throw will be stationed at ‘national guard’ home duty. Girls who don’t have a minority card of some sort to pull will get the hardest duty in the most difficult places.

If you want to eliminate your enemy forever all you need do is kill or grieviously injure their women under the age of about 35. Women are the rate limiting step with procreation (1 baby approx every year is sort of the biological limit usually) and the rate limiting ‘ingredient’. 1/2 the number of men can still get the job done. 1/2 the number of fertile age women effectively halves your birth rate.

We haven’t even discussed the women who will return from war ‘messed up’ at what they did, saw or had done to them and be eliminated from future motherhood by reason of ptsd.


46 posted on 01/29/2013 8:52:31 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Seems only equal, fair, and just......


47 posted on 01/29/2013 8:53:30 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SamuraiScot
No, my girls won’t be registering for anything. They don’t belong to the state.

And neither does anybody else. The entire idea of anyone being drafted, or forced into some kind of "national service" is repugnant to free people. It is nothing but a form of temporary slavery.

If a true crisis occurs either enough patriots will volunteer to save our nation or they won't. Requiring that the government have enough support from the people so that they volunteer to serve it is a good check on the ability of the government to rule against the desires of the people.

This might be a good time to propose abolishing the Selective Service system.

48 posted on 01/29/2013 8:54:14 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Intolerant in NJ
Seems only equal, fair, and just......

How so?

My 17 y.o. daughter doesn't want to fight in the military.

And I don't want her too, either.

49 posted on 01/29/2013 8:57:11 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I will keep my daughter out of it. Most boys can function reasonably well as a soldier. Many girls were actually raised as girls, like being girls, and only a -depraved SOB- would want to force them into the infantry.

Screw you govt types and careerist female military types who want my daughter for your career enhancement. You want my daughter? Come and take her.

Give it a try sport.


50 posted on 01/29/2013 9:01:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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