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IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family
CNS News ^ | January 31, 2013 | Matt Cover

Posted on 01/31/2013 2:43:47 PM PST by rhema

In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for family of five will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.

To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.

In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.

Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.

For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:

“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.

"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.

"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).

"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”


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To: Ezekiel
For a real eye-opener compare the Hebrew word for demagogue to Gog, Magog, and especially to [eretz] ha-Magog: דמגוג גוג מגוג ארץ המגוג Amputate the already "unattached left foot" that is in the letter hei, and ha-Magog becomes demagogue, which reveals Gog 44 (mem + dalet = 44, + Gog). Or that "Dem", [who is] Gog... המגוג דמגוג I mean seriously, how many Hebrew words contain both Gog and Magog? Seems like it would be a pretty short list, variants of demagogue, the very definition of community organizer #44.

This looks interesting but I have no clue what your comparison is revealing here. What are you comparing again and what is it supposed to reveal?

201 posted on 02/01/2013 4:55:29 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: DBrow

So the $20K this article asserts is B.S.?


202 posted on 02/01/2013 4:56:51 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: PA-RIVER

“My understanding is subsidies for poor will be about 16,000. So if you make 20,000 per year, you may get the 20,000 plan for a few hundred bucks a year.”
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If you make 20,000 now (that is a figure that people in my area used to dream of making in FIVE years when I was a boy) you don’t have a few hundred so it is far from free and what people get for that will hardly merit the name of healthcare, they will probably be trying to find a veterinarian who will treat them in the hope of a better outcome than they will have under Obamacare.


203 posted on 02/01/2013 5:42:31 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: PapaNew

“So the $20K this article asserts is B.S.?” Pretty much. To the IRS, the actual premium is 20K, BUT...they then go on with typical loopy IRS math to divide this by that minus the other to arrive at the actual payment, $2600. This is actually in the article.

Now, one question is, does someone else (taxpayers) pay the balance?


204 posted on 02/01/2013 5:45:34 AM PST by DBrow
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To: dadfly
public sector, unionized employees make multiple times what the average (not median) private sector worker takes home.

Ahh, that number is a bit harder to pull-out of the ether(net)... U.S.A. Today has this to say about it:

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

However, they go on to add that "These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis."

So, when I add that up, I see that federal workers receive about $108476 in salaries and benefits compared to similar private workers at only $69928. Since this compares only private/public jobs which are similar, it's hard to know exactly what real difference this has on the "median" income but clearly, as you suggested, the "public sector" definitely pulls the median upward.

One other article at Reason.org states that "state and local government employees earned total compensation of $39.60 an hour, compared to $27.42 an hour for private industry workers-a difference of over 44 percent."

Two more bits of info that may apply comes from www.cbo.gov" states that "The federal government employs about 2.3 million civilian workers—1.7 percent of the U.S. workforce", and from www.brookings.edu that indicates that all public-sector employment (federal, state & local) accounts for 9.0 to 9.6% of jobs.

Somewhere in all of that may be a formula for calculating the median income without the public-sector; perhaps someone here can give us a better idea of the true number :-)

205 posted on 02/01/2013 5:48:49 AM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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To: rhema

What idiot would buy it for $20,000, when the penalty to NOT buy it and still get it is a measly $2000+?


206 posted on 02/01/2013 5:49:41 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: rhema

Are any of our R leaders in front of a camera and microphone shouting this to the people on how this is quite a difference from the assumed, “FREE”???


207 posted on 02/01/2013 6:00:06 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: EnquiringMind
Ah, have you seen the worshiping Obama voters? They would just to pay homage to their demigod Obama. Guys like Buffett, Bill Gates, Sr., etc. These guys have been begging to be forced to throw their money at Obama. I am certain there are many, many such people in NY, CA, and elsewhere all across the country.
208 posted on 02/01/2013 6:03:11 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: rhema

Wouldn’t it be great if our leader could be elected for a third term, or a fourth?


209 posted on 02/01/2013 6:12:16 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: muawiyah
That will need to be done again and again since they are taxes and the Executive is not authorized to change taxes unilaterally.

Right, because he has pets in the SCOTUS to do that for him.

210 posted on 02/01/2013 6:13:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: nascarnation
Now we understand why they need 15,000 additional IRS agents to administer this convoluted mess.

I think that this is probably well under what they actually 'need' to accommodate all the additional tax returns that will be required to be filed under ObamaCare.

Aside from the 11 million (more like 20 million) illegals, you have millions of college students and millions more young workers who right now choose not to file their tax returns as they aren't required to as they do not owe any additional federal income tax. And tens of millions of seniors who do not 'earn' enough taxable income to be required to file a tax return, who now have to file.

Up to 43 million more tax returns to process, along with tens of billions of 'tax refunds' that will be 'owed'. Either the IRS has become incredibly efficient, or they have grossly underestimated the number of new agents required.

211 posted on 02/01/2013 6:15:47 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dadfly

Sorry, I forgot to mention that something I read (and, of course, can’t find right now) stated that “average” income is actually higher than median, simply because of the amount of wealth at the top. So, now we need to eliminate those dreaded one-percenters from the calculation: They’re blowing our bell curve ;-)


212 posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:31 AM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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To: PapaNew

These were observations concerning the text (overlapping symbolism WRT words and letters). Not the typical type stuff but worth pointing out in case they are of interest to others in their studies. YMMV.


213 posted on 02/01/2013 6:29:24 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: All

Holy carp!! That is almost more than my part time job pays. Glad I have a decent retirement.


214 posted on 02/01/2013 7:25:38 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, Period, end of conversation.)
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To: rhema

Screw Obamacare and screw the IRS!

They can come get me before I bow down to this bullshit.

Make my day!


215 posted on 02/01/2013 8:49:18 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: rhema

.....And the culling begins.


216 posted on 02/01/2013 8:53:37 AM PST by ourworldawry
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To: steve86
Some FReeper got all excited about my definition of "stabilize". Well, in practice my definition is the operational definition. Here is the formal definition:

“To stabilize” is defined as: to provide such medical treatment of the condition as may be necessary to assure, within reasonable medical probability, that no material deterioration of the condition is likely to result from or occur during the transfer of the individual from a facility, or, with respect to [a pregnant woman having contractions], to deliver (including the placenta) [3].

217 posted on 02/01/2013 8:56:04 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: KarlInOhio

>Would have been nice if they had announced a $20,000 tax penalty fine tax before the law was passed.<

Thank you “justice” Roberts.


218 posted on 02/01/2013 9:11:28 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: DBrow

Isn’t that $2600 a MONTH though?


219 posted on 02/01/2013 9:15:19 AM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: TomGuy
The unintended consequences will create further disasters and policy crises.

And it will be all the fault of... the rich. But you knew that already.

220 posted on 02/01/2013 9:21:54 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: henkster
Thank you Chief Justice Roberts, you no good two faced spineless slimy SOB!!!!!!!!!!!

If it's any consolation, think of his permanent, idiotic, spit-eating grin.

221 posted on 02/01/2013 9:24:54 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: blondee123

Maybe, but I don’t think so. It has to be under 8% of the gross, which is mentioned in the article and the document I linked. That’s what I thought too, but the basis for the loopy IRS calculations is the annual adjusted gross income.


222 posted on 02/01/2013 9:35:45 AM PST by DBrow
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To: ourworldawry
[quote].....And the culling begins[/quote]

exactly, Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with population control.

Case management will be selectivly enforced by the slave owners.

another reason to rush gun control, especially assault weapons that can take out 100 at a time (congress has 100)

223 posted on 02/01/2013 9:41:32 AM PST by KTM rider ( American at heart..... Rebel by force)
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To: DBrow

“The amount they pay is $2600 not $20,000.”

Now that’s affordable but, is it sustainable?


224 posted on 02/01/2013 9:47:20 AM PST by Amish with an attitude
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To: ScottinVA
At the moment he doesn't have a majority willing to levy tax rates from the USSC. you and i are likely not communicating on this ~ bet you think Roberts just threw in the towel ~ actually, he tossed the Commerce Clause rationale behind obamakkkare and then got 4 others to agree with him that it was really a tax and since it's a tax IRS can't just change the rate or the amounts or values against which the tax is applicable.

A number of us think he virtually torpedoed obamakkkare with the tax decision. what Obamugabe thought was going to throw 15% of the US economy into the hands of the HHS secretary and her band of thugs and goons was, instead, tossed into the hands of a tax structuring subcommittee in the House of Representatives.

You really gotta' have a major interest in economics, statistical analysis and rule writing to give a darned about such things ~ which means that for all practical purposes a couple of guys in the House who don't like each other very much will be able to turn obamakkkare on and off like a spigot.

225 posted on 02/01/2013 10:29:55 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PapaNew

Just right click on the graphic and pick “save” or “save as...” from the resulting menu.


226 posted on 02/01/2013 10:34:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: muawiyah

Roberts may have displayed a sort of genius by re-writing the individual mandate as a tax, subject to the whim of Congress, which could eliminate it as a tax. However, Roberts’ job was not to re-write the law, but to discard it as wholly unconstitutional under Article I, Section 8, which does not say a lick about medical issues.

Given that the Democrats seem to be in ascendance, and the Republican cauci are mostly spineless humps when it comes to confronting the Democrats, Justice Roberts may turn out to have been a fool yet.


227 posted on 02/01/2013 10:40:36 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Although folks like to believe that epilepsy is no bar to someone doing great work, the facts don’t bear out that belief. Roberts, Biden, Clinton ~ all show symptoms of what happens to your higher mental processes when you end up with damaged brain tissue. That may also be the case of Obama.


228 posted on 02/01/2013 10:55:00 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You have proof that His Smugness John Roberts has epilepsy? Or Biden and Clinton (Bill or Hlllary)?

I think Roberts just has a case of I-Want-The-SCOTUS-To-Be-Accepted-In-Washingtons, while Biden is simply a f*cking idiot and a clown.


229 posted on 02/01/2013 11:12:07 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Roberts takes medication for epilepsy. If you pass out twice in 10 years and run into the right doctor you'll get medication to prevent further seizures. Roberts takes such medication. The definition of epilepsy is two unprovoked seizures ~ a statement made in regards to Roberts numerous times by numerous medical personnel addressing that specific issue.

You can look it up if you want. Now, about Hillary Clinton, she's passed out three times in public ~ or, she's had several unprovoked seizures ~ whatever you want to call it. The trip on the airplane falls in that category. Then, she fell and broke her arm in the State Department basement in an area with neither slick spots nor obstructions. She just upped and passed out and fell down. There are others. Once, at Ronald Reagan's funeral, she went unconscious!

But Biden is definitely a headcase. He's had brain surgery 3 times.

Obama has a visible scar that we've all discussed before. He doesn't ~ so what's that about. Does he just walk along and fall down unconscious?

230 posted on 02/01/2013 11:25:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SaraJohnson

ObamaCare’s Broken Promises: Every one of the law’s main claims turning out to be false.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323374504578217720567917856.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

It doesn’t matter to leftists. INTENTIONS are all that matter, results do not.

“it is hard to imagine amore stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” Thomas Sowell


231 posted on 02/01/2013 11:30:09 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: rhema

The bronze plan will only cover sterilization, contraception and abortion. If you want additional health care coverage, you will have to purchase a more expensive plan.


232 posted on 02/01/2013 1:32:32 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Amish with an attitude

I don’t know anyone taking home $20,000 who could afford $2,600/yr for health insurance. They could barely afford $260. Most will go without and won’t be able to pay the penalty either. A major fustercluck and if anything would throw a wrench into the economy, that would be it.


233 posted on 02/01/2013 2:29:54 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Isn’t that the truth! Not going to happen. Power over the people is what both fight over. They could end this but refuse.


234 posted on 02/01/2013 2:47:27 PM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter.)
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To: rhema
Who knew? Guess elections have consequences after all. Wish we could rescind the waivers to the unions so their members would THINK twice about where their dues go. Dumbasses.
235 posted on 02/01/2013 8:14:07 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: rhema
Who knew? Guess elections have consequences after all. Wish we could rescind the waivers to the unions so their members would THINK twice about where their dues go. Dumbasses.
236 posted on 02/01/2013 8:17:03 PM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: rhema

” Ill take the “Tin” Plan with one aspirin a year and a Bandaid a month....Yes that’s $7,890 a year

“I’m an Illegal Alien” Ill take the Platinium plan with free everything....That’s ZERO dollars amigo.


237 posted on 02/01/2013 9:15:46 PM PST by LtKerst
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To: rhema

” Ill take the “Tin” Plan with one aspirin a year and a Bandaid a month....Yes that’s $7,890 a year

“I’m an Illegal Alien” Ill take the Platinium plan with free everything....That’s ZERO dollars amigo.


238 posted on 02/01/2013 9:15:54 PM PST by LtKerst
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To: rhema

I don’t know of any families which could afford that...


239 posted on 02/01/2013 10:15:17 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Venturer
If I were you FRiend, I wouldn’t place my future in the hands of the Republicans in the House.

Nope, we are alone on this one. And once we all figure that out, we'll also learn that we never needed them in the first place.

240 posted on 02/01/2013 10:34:59 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: RipSawyer
The Libs I work with haven't caught on yet. The other day, I heard one actually use the (poll-tested) phrase "Affordable Health Care Act." I just started laughing.

It's either that or F*ing cry.

241 posted on 02/01/2013 10:40:35 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: RipSawyer

Have you been to a veterinarian lately? I can’t ever seem to walk out of the door for less than $200.


242 posted on 02/01/2013 10:57:02 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: rhema

Obamacare, as far as I’m concerned, is more than enough reason to enact the 2nd Amendment fail-safe.


243 posted on 02/02/2013 1:42:18 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: rhema
Aids sure is expensive, ain't it....

I wonder what the average life span of the fagots is...Maybe 42 years..?

Its a damn shame the working folks must take on so much of the burden of the bums...

You know that's what it was all about to start with....Just more welfare for the bums...

244 posted on 02/02/2013 8:18:16 AM PST by unread
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To: SierraWasp

Bump dat!

The whole thing is so depressing. It’s really wearing on me.

Not for me, but for my kids and grands.


245 posted on 02/02/2013 11:55:56 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (Old age and treachery always overcomes youth and skill.)
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To: rhema

In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year. >>>>>>>>>>>>

It will be enforced with all of the stautory ex parte search and seizure provisions they have. People will loose all they own without so much as a court hearing.

Yet where is the MSM on all of this. are they informing America? ....Nope.

Thats fascism folks.


246 posted on 02/03/2013 5:24:04 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: ponygirl

“Have you been to a veterinarian lately? I can’t ever seem to walk out of the door for less than $200.”
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Unfortunately yes, that is why we don’t have a Border Collie any longer since we buried our almost human black and white marvel, even though we have plenty of room on eight acres. We do have a couple of cats but no plans of another once they pass on. I am just very skeptical of what is happening and I think that soon you may have a better chance of getting some actual health care from a vet than you will with what will soon be passed off as an MD in this country.


247 posted on 02/03/2013 7:48:07 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: ponygirl

I know the feeling well, it is like listening to the fantasies of small children but realizing that they WILL NOT grow out of it! You really don’t know whether to laugh, cry or just scream at them to try to wake them up, any one of the three is pointless because somewhere along the way they have MADE A DECISION not to be bothered by reality. This is how I see it now, I cannot come up with any other explanation. They are WILLFULLY ignorant, they cannot be persuaded to see what should be as obvious as the rising sun and are able to believe two diametrically opposite statements at the same time provided that NEITHER ONE of those opposing statements follow any true logic or make sense in any way. At the same time they heap scorn on anyone who says what your grandparents considered to be beyond question. Many, if not most imagine that they are superior thinkers who have advanced far beyond the logic of the founding fathers of the USA and even those who are total losers though they may be over 35 and have never been able to make their own way in the world still imagine that somehow they are superior. I would not be in any way surprised to see one of these hopeless lumps bragging loudly that he is in all ways a much greater thinker than Benjamin Franklin or even da Vinci.


248 posted on 02/03/2013 8:09:52 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: dixiechick2000
I hear ya! The Devil is really havin his way with this once proud nation right now and it's gettin harder and harder to find anything meaningful and effective one can do about it that isn't so radical that everone will dismiss it!

All I can do now at this late stage in my life is pray to God for my kids and grands along with the rest of the nation for his will to be done!!!

The demonic posession is right out in the open led by the Demonicrat Lieberulers!!!

You can see it by how ruthless, relentless, remorseless and intolerant they are becoming more and more on a hockey stick graph like the one they fraudulently use to deceive on man-made globular worming!!!

249 posted on 02/03/2013 10:33:55 AM PST by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: mrsmith

I guess that is the answer quit working or work for nothing.

If we were prepared to fight, we would fight. For it is better to risk life and limb for freedom than to suffer for eternity under such a tyranny.

Go to hell Obama, I can’t help but feel in my heart a desire that someone sends him off on his way sooner rather than later.

I know theses are not words that should be freely spoken in a land where free speech is but a fiction on such things. But I can no longer remain silent upon upon the sentiment of my heart regarding this particular tyrant.

Should someone finally knock him off, I will not shed a tear. I am all out of tears from the fall of my once free country.


250 posted on 02/03/2013 2:47:02 PM PST by Monorprise
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