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The Boy Scouts' 'Braveheart' moment
WND opinion ^ | 02/01/2013 | David Kupelian

Posted on 02/01/2013 7:34:08 AM PST by lost in the snow

The Boy Scouts of America is about to be torn apart.

In one respect, it doesn’t matter what BSA’s board members decide when they meet next week – to change their long-standing policy excluding avowed homosexuals, or not to change their policy. Either way, the Boy Scouts of America will not emerge unscathed. It will be bloodied. It will be hurt. The only question is: When the dust settles, which side will the 100-year-old organization be on? Read more at

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KEYWORDS: agenda; boyscouts; bsa; homosexual; homosexualagenda
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To: CodeToad

AS an eleven year old, a homosexual Boy Scout camp counselor tried to molest me. It was something I never forgot or talked about..until now. From that night on I slept with my sheath knife at hand. They were allowed then if you had your Toten Chip.
Later as a Asst Scout Master I encountered a homosexual event taking place between two older Scouts while younger Scouts were in their tent.
There is no place for homosexuals in the Scouting movement. Once known they must be expelled. Adults in the military can deal with the problem..children under our protection should not be forced to accept this behavior in private or public.

41 posted on 02/01/2013 9:08:08 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: lost in the snow

Recently watched an episode on ID Discovery about a scout master who was gay, married to a woman though, and had sex with multiple boys in his scout troop.

He would intimidate them into silence by taken them all out into the woods and forcing them to dig their own graves and them stand in them while warning them not to talk.

One of the boys mothers discovered them in bed on morning. The boy who was discovered told the gay scoutmaster who then essentially ordered the boy to kill his entire family which he did.

If the Scouts allow people such as this into their ranks, then they should be shut down.

No parent should send then child into harms way, doing so risks any number of lives considering what happened to this boy.

42 posted on 02/01/2013 9:09:19 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Oldexpat

Maybe it is time for a new BSA. Church supported and sponsored. Forget Corp america..they have sold their souls to the Devil. The BSA could survive with just Churches as sponsors...they might loose a lot of the professional managers, but the organization would survive.

43 posted on 02/01/2013 9:12:22 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: lost in the snow

Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.

Or organizational elements can secede and coalesce around new but similar brands like ‘The United BSA’ or such.

Marshall McLuhan (”The Medium is the Message”) wrote in the last century a poignant observational anthropological report on primitive African tribal customs and social order. In one small enclave a new tribal chieftain was very abusive of his tribal members and not respecting their long-held customs. He woke up one morning to find the entire village abandoned. There was no one for him to rule over. The entire tribe had picked up while he was sleeping and moved to another region under a new chieftain.

The membership of the BSA should do the same.

44 posted on 02/01/2013 9:13:26 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Bell407Pilot

Your letter sounds like you have already given up when the Board meeting isn’t until next week, 2/6. Let’s not give up the ship just yet...

45 posted on 02/01/2013 9:17:43 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: lost in the snow

The systematic attacks on the BSA by the morally corrupt feminists and sodomists over the last 40 years makes me ill. I consider myself fortunate to have participated as a young Scout in the late 50’s, when the leaders were decent, strong male role models. When the Girl Scouts start camping with male pedophiles, we’ll know that any hopes for a decent society is lost. Moral corruption like this makes a person with the future of the race at heart... despair.

46 posted on 02/01/2013 9:21:03 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Hostage
Who owns the brand, logos, name? If a vote can be made to sell off these to a new org, then the new org can be started under BSA with the same branding.

Interesting thought but a significant stumbling block would likely be the fact the BSA holds a national Congressional charter that would likely be impossible to transfer or to get another one without bowing to the gay lobby.

47 posted on 02/01/2013 9:21:03 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

What is the purpose of a ‘Congressional Charter’? What benefits derive from such a Charter?

48 posted on 02/01/2013 9:23:26 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage

Also, forgot to say in the last reply to you that McLuhan’s move the village option looks like it should be given close consideration in this circumstance.

49 posted on 02/01/2013 9:24:10 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Oldexpat

I was in Cub Scouts for several years and the year I was to go into Boy Scouts my parents didn’t let me. I always thought maybe it was a money or time issue. I later learned it was a homosexual issue. They knew of several homosexuals that were in leadership positions in our area, both in the military as well, and they felt if the Scouts wouldn’t remove them then the danger was too much. Later as an adult I visited an old friend from that time and he confided that when he went to camp that first year one of those homos tried to molest him. His older brother learned of it and went and beat the sh*t out of the homo and that’s why his older brother had been arrested. I never knew why his brother got arrested back then. He was never charged with a crime but I remember his brother being raging mad about something. My friend dropped out of Scouts that summer and we never mentioned it again.

50 posted on 02/01/2013 9:25:57 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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I think most here will disagree - but anyhow.
I have not let my sons joined the BSA because it does not matter what the oath says the leaders and individual scouts are what matters not the corp. Any time you have a large group in secluded areas, camping or meeting rooms, immoral activities do occur. There is a history of sexual abuse occuring in the BSA. Many persons have been abused during BSA functions. When parents are not at the meetings they are abdicating their responsibilities and risk harm to their kids.

51 posted on 02/01/2013 9:59:12 AM PST by jimfr
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To: lost in the snow

I’ve called and sent letter to National Council, Our area director and Council CEO. Our troop Committee has not discussd this but most of us are Evangelical Christians and home educators. I doubt the conversation will go well for remaining as a scout unit should they take this on. I’ve got two boys at senior ranks, one knocking on the door of Eagle and the other not too far behind.

At the least, I am on record stating that if we do remain, our troop will have ZERO participation in summer camp or other council activities without written assurance that there will be no open homosexuals in camp staff or other troop in attendance.

Here’s a comment I made at Patriot Post in response to Mark Alexander’s letter to his Eagle Scout son.

I am the father of four, two who are Boy Scouts, Life and Star rank. I am also a Scoutmaster. My adult daughters both have told me they want anyone whom they marry to have been Scouts because they are just better. I am sick and disgusted with the behavior of the National Council and agree that to Fall down with honor is better than to cave in in disgrace. In my comment to National and local Scouting executives I told them that as a volunteer, they need us far more than we need them. To destroy the century long heritage of Boy Scouts over capitulation to a loud, obnoxious and small minority is something they should be ashamed of. I am proud to wear the uniform of a Boy Scout Leader. I am proud of my time mentoring these young men and teaching them proper skills so that someday, other young ladies like my daughters may find in them men who are “better.”

52 posted on 02/01/2013 10:01:19 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: Maelstrom
Homosexuals fantasize about the Boy Scouts.

This move, even as a consideration, was stupid.

Remember the elton John concert where (s)he had guys dressed as Boy scouts on stage grabbing their crotches? Hell, yes this is a fantasy come true for gays:

I don't see the BSA surviving as what it is by even considering this move. Everybody knows how this works. It'll be like the Episcopal and Presbyterian (USA) denominations that voted down gay clergy year after year. Every year, the margin of votes that attempted to stem the gay tide got smaller and smaller until the sodomites won. All real BSA scouts/leaders would be well advised to get out now.

53 posted on 02/01/2013 10:02:18 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: jimfr

A week ago, I would have encouraged you to reconsider. As leaders, we have a solemn charge to protect our scouts and the vast, vast majority of us take it seriously. Youth Protection is a leading protocol that all leaders must take and all parents are encouraged. On every campout, if we have a new parent along, I pull them aside and remind them of the YP protocols. I’ve seen countless leaders walk into a bathroom, see a scout or two in the room and turn around and walk right back out.

Those of us real scout leaders 99.9999999% of us will protect your kids at all cost.

Next week, I may have to give you different advice.

54 posted on 02/01/2013 10:10:41 AM PST by cyclotic ( Obama's golden halo is really just a rusted hubcap)
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To: cyclotic

Agreed , as a SM the function of youth protection is paramount. One aspect of this possible change will be those who quit because they do not want the molestation of one of there troop, done by a homosexual SM/ASM or fellow scout on their conscious.
I for one would feel like I totally failed that scout.

55 posted on 02/01/2013 10:58:14 AM PST by lost in the snow
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To: Phillyred; lost in the snow; Scoutmaster; ArGee

Dear Sirs,

I am deeply distressed, to the point of being physically ill, at the news that the BSA is considering opening membership to adults and young adults who engage in male-on-male sex acts. We all know, from the experience of schools, church, and youth organizations, that allowing males who practice this behavior exposes others to grave danger of molestation. It also guarantees that the lawsuits and financial pain to the organization will only increase, not decrease, in spite of all possible precautions.

Our family includes two adult leaders with over 20 years combined experience. We have six children currently active in Scouting (Boy Scouts, Venturing, Cub Scouts). We looked forward to our other three children’s participation when they reached the appropriate age.

However, I do not see how we can support an organization which, at the highest level, makes a mockery of the first element of the law: A Scout is TRUSTWORTHY. We cannot trust people who will knowingly expose the youth to danger, out of (at best) an ill-judged misinterpretation of “fairness.”

It will be very painful if we have to leave Scouting over this. It has been a terrific experience for all of us, and we make a major contribution in our unit and district. We may have to disappoint friends who have counted on us in leadership for many years, and we would certainly have to disappoint our sons and daughters. This morning, two of my sons were talking about Day Camp for the approaching summer ... and I didn’t know whether to scream, cry, or throw up, thinking of what might happen. Not wanting to do any of those in front of the boys, I simply prayed that the Lord will move the hearts of the Board of Directors to be truly TRUSTWORTHY, placing the good of the boys above every other consideration.

Yours very truly,


56 posted on 02/01/2013 11:14:09 AM PST by Tax-chick (Make sure you notice when I'm being subtly ironic!)
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To: Hostage
From WikiPedia:

The BSA holds a Congressional charter under Title 36 of the United States Code,which means that it is one of the comparatively rare "Title 36" corporations in the United States. The 1916 statute of incorporation established this institution amongst a small number of other patriotic and national organizations which are similarly chartered,such as the Girl Scouts of the USA, the American Legion, the Red Cross, Major League Baseball, and the National Academy of Sciences. The federal incorporation was originally construed primarily as an honor, however it does grant the chartered organization some special privileges and rights, including freedom from antitrust and monopoly regulation, and complete control over the organization's symbols and insignia. As example, outside of the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, no other youth organizations may use the term "scouts" or "scouting" in their name. The special recognition neither implies nor accords Congress any special control over the BSA, which remains free to function independently.

57 posted on 02/01/2013 11:16:33 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Tax-chick

Your letter was wonderfully written and expressed.

And to back up what you are saying, look at this other organization and their problem with homosexual molesters:

58 posted on 02/01/2013 11:40:35 AM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: albie

Meaning of Bod? That’s easy. It’s a descriptor of physical form. You know, commonly used like this: “Chuck’s wife has a hot bod!” Sometimes this is combined with “Check out those mudflaps”.

I think Bod also has to do with how fast your modem is when connecting to AOL.

59 posted on 02/01/2013 11:42:29 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: Hostage

Thanks! I edited out some stronger wording, because a Scout is courteous. However, privately, it’s very hard to avoid a reviling judgment regarding the motives of people who would even consider this, having full knowledge of the experience of the Scouts and the Catholic Church.

We cannot keep every homosexual adult or teenager out of Scouting, but we must make every possible effort. They are self-defined by male-on-male sex, and there is simply no place for any sexual activity in a youth organization.

On that last point, if we go on in Scouting, it will be interesting to see how mixed-sex units (Venture Crews) work out. There’s potential for considerable stress there, but on the other hand, some other countries have mixed-sex units that apparently operate smoothly.

60 posted on 02/01/2013 11:52:41 AM PST by Tax-chick (If you can't say anything nice, have some more wine.)
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