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Will the Boy Scouts Give In? (Interesting facts the media has neglected to divulge on the topic)
Catholic Exchange ^ | February 1, 2013 | ELIZABETH YANK

Posted on 02/02/2013 3:53:56 PM PST by NYer

Say it isn’t so! Not the Boy Scouts. I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t want to believe it. I opened my e-mail and found an urgent request from the Family Research Council to call the Boy Scouts. http://www.frc.org/alert/breaking-news-will-the-boy-scouts-stand-up-to-bullies The Boy Scouts were “considering” revising their policy of allowing active homosexuals to participate as scouts and leaders.

A statement released from the national leadership of the Boy Scouts stated they were “discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation.” They were going to defer membership requirements to local groups.

What are the contributing factors to the Boy Scouts considering caving into the demands of homosexual activists and media pressure? Certainly media hype surrounding two cases last year were major contributors. One story concerned Ryan Andresen, who was denied his Eagle Scout badge because he considers himself homosexual. http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/06/was-a-boy-scout-denied-an-award-because-hes-gay/

In another incident, den leader Jennifer Tyrrell was asked to leave because she is a lesbian.

Both Ryan’s mom and Jennifer Tyrrell generated petitions with large numbers of signatures to change the policy. Never mind that in both instances, they were fully aware of the Boy Scouts policy, but wielded pressure on the organization to change its policy for them. And never mind that the media pushing the homosexual agenda totally omitted the fact that Andresen did not want to take the scout Oath because he did not agree to Duty to God. “This scout proactively notified his unit leadership and Eagle Scout counselor that he does not agree to scouting’s principle of ‘Duty to God’ and does not meet scouting’s membership standard on sexual orientation,” Deron Smith, a spokesman for the organization said in a statement. “Agreeing to do one’s ‘Duty to God’ is a part of the scout Oath and Law and a requirement of achieving the Eagle Scout rank” (My underlining). http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/05/162371701/teenage-boy-scout-denied-organizations-top-rank-because-hes-gay

In addition to distorting the facts about the Andresen case, the mainstream media is also disregarding a story about two prominent national board members, Ernst & Young CEO James Turley and AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson, who are actively seeking to change the Boy Scouts long standing policy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/james-turley-boy-scouts-gay-ban_n_1593595.html

Oddly enough, at the same time last year that members and leaders were petitioning for homosexuals to join the Boy Scouts, the Los Angeles Times released a disturbing story about sexual abuse within the Boy Scouts. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-boyscouts-20120805-m,0,5822319.story

Of course, the liberal media was quick to point out that homosexuals are not pedophiles, while never answering the question of when does a boy become a man—when he hits puberty or hits 18 or 21. What is the magical age?

What really might be prompting the Boy Scouts to reconsider their policy is money. Last year with all the controversy swirling around the Boy Scouts not allowing homosexuals to participate, United Way as well as companies that offered corporate support in the past pulled their funding, financially hurting the Boy Scouts.

While some people might say, “What’s the big deal? Homosexuals are nice people”. The issue is not whether or not homosexuals are nice people.

The real issue is the consequences of this decision. Why do homosexuals want to join the Boy Scouts? No one is required to join the Boy Scouts. Why should they really care? Once the Boy Scouts cave in, then homosexual activists will push for the next step. If the Boy Scouts allow homosexuals to participate, are the Boy Scouts legitimizing homosexual behavior? If you legitimize a deviant behavior is the deviant behavior then acceptable? Is it then acceptable for Boy Scout leaders to discuss deviant behavior as the new normal? Are those who disagree with that behavior than considered not normal? Is it then acceptable to bully those who oppose homosexual activities? Homosexual activists already bash Christians. Just read the comments on the stories covering this topic. And if it is okay to discuss homosexual behavior as acceptable–just a lifestyle choice that young people should explore– is it then acceptable to engage in those activities?

Oh, how soon we forget. Not that long ago homosexuality was listed by the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association as a mental illness. There were and in a few cases still are laws against sodomy. Why? It was a protection of society. People don’t want to admit what homosexuality is—a deviant behavior. People no longer understand natural law. If the Boy Scouts allow homosexuals to join, they will be living a lie, because they will no longer be able to live their scout oath.

Scout Oath

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bsa; glbt; homosexualagenda; homosexuality

1 posted on 02/02/2013 3:54:05 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/02/2013 3:54:57 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
Life In Progressivetown


3 posted on 02/02/2013 4:01:41 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: NYer

Its all about freedom of association. If the Boy Scouts allow gay men to be troop leaders, say whatever you like, but my son will not participate. One day America will come to realize that political correctness is simply self deception. When a nation seeks to make “politically correctness” the norm in law and private behavior , it is clearly in decline.


4 posted on 02/02/2013 4:02:19 PM PST by allendale
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To: NYer

I will be a new BSA contributor if it stands it ground.


5 posted on 02/02/2013 4:02:32 PM PST by Gene Eric
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its ground.


6 posted on 02/02/2013 4:03:23 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: NYer

Our Council’s training is clear: If the Youth does not affirm a belief in God, you are to terminate the Board of Review and call the council executive.

We self-charter as a unit, and will determine whether to disband or effectively go off-grid with our unit and our money.


7 posted on 02/02/2013 4:03:48 PM PST by steveyp
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To: NYer

It’s all about the destruction of an institution they find insulting - but could care less that we find homosexual unnatural and against God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit...if they cave in and change this - might as well dissolve the BSA at once. If one cannot have a solid traditional organization to where young boys are taught the value of service to ones nation and God - then forget...

I remember under Clinton don’t ask - don’t tell - escorting a soldier through processing OUT of the army to the point I was ordered by the commander to watch the freaking jet take off...but they allow it.

It serves no purpose and is yet one more move on a multiple level to tear down traditions that made the US great in the first place — see how well they fair under Islam...then again, weren’t most of the Nazi’s and their elite gay?

Someone posted a link to the Pink Swastika

http://www.thepinkswastika.com/

http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

We all know how that worked out for the world...


8 posted on 02/02/2013 4:15:15 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: NYer

Have these Scouting proponents and supporters of the homosexual agenda not learned anything from the experience of the Catholic Church? The church likes to claim it is primarily a pedophilia problem, not a homosexual problem....nonsense. Look at the ratio of boy victims vs girl victims. The priesthood did not openly accept homosexuals....think how big their problem would have been had they been open.


9 posted on 02/02/2013 4:21:11 PM PST by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: All

Lets take it even further. Women can be boy scout troop leaders, and men can be girl scout troop leaders. Can’t have any type of discrimination! sarc/


10 posted on 02/02/2013 4:21:51 PM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: NYer

Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow; my father was too, and he was also a scoutmaster. I worked six summers on the staff of a large scout camp complex when young, and I saw firsthand, and repeatedly, the traumatic pederasty that homosexual predators perpetrated upon innocent boys and young men. As a mental health professional now for a quarter century, I see the lasting aftermath of such abuses as well.

I wrote to these spineless clowns at the BSA the other day and told them so, although I am not so naive as to think it will have an impact on their decision. People drawn to positions of power within such organizations are, as we have seen repeatedly, highly susceptible to the tactics used in The Long March Through the Institutions pushed by the Marxists who seek to undermine this nation.

The simple, and yet complete, answer, BTW, for anyone wondering why homosexuals would be motivated to become adult or older peer leaders in the Scouts - besides the general Leftist wish to corrupt every last bastion of previously conservative cultural authority - is summed up in Willie Sutton’s famous reason for robbing banks, or in the simple concept of a “target-rich environment”. It’s never any more complicated than that.


11 posted on 02/02/2013 4:22:18 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: NYer

If the BSA surrenders, they deserve to go broke and dissolve.


12 posted on 02/02/2013 4:26:10 PM PST by Gator113 (Leave my guns alone and REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS!!)
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To: SandRat

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13 posted on 02/02/2013 4:40:41 PM PST by Coleus
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14 posted on 02/02/2013 4:40:53 PM PST by RedMDer (HEY LIBS! GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS AVAILABLE NOW. I DARE YA!)
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To: NYer

I am an Eagle Scout, class of 1968. After 40 years of not participating in Scouting activities, last November I offered my services as a merit badge counselor to the local council for the first time. If the BSA changes its position on this issue, it will become the last time. Boy Scouts are pubescent and post-pubescent; most of them are already men physically. I would not want a heterosexual male camping with my teenage daughter; I will not support a homosexual male camping with teenage sons.


15 posted on 02/02/2013 4:41:22 PM PST by chajin (Trustworthy,loyal,helpful,friendly,curteous,kind,obedient,cheerful,thrifty,brave,clean & reverent.)
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To: dagogo redux

I mentioned I was Eagle Scout, class of ‘68, but your message reminded me, I was also Brotherhood Order of the Arrow, senior patrol leader for troop 33, Yokosuka Naval Base Japan, and founding member of the first troop, on the naval base, of what was then called Explorers, now called Venturers.

There are only two ways this will end, neither of them good: the BSA will become a shill for postmodern relativism, and the organization will become increasingly irrelevant, shrinking in membership just as similar organizations have (cf. “liberal Christian” denominations).


16 posted on 02/02/2013 4:41:58 PM PST by chajin (Trustworthy,loyal,helpful,friendly,curteous,kind,obedient,cheerful,thrifty,brave,clean & reverent.)
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To: dagogo redux
11 ... the tactics used in The Long March Through the Institutions pushed by the Marxists who seek to undermine this nation.

Just wow. One of the best lines I've read which captures it all. The folks in this country under 50 years old just don't get it. Membership in BSA has been on a negative slope since 1970 - same for U.S. church attendance.

1/10/1963 – U.S. Representative Albert S. Herlong Jr. of Florida read into the Congressional Record the list of 45 communist goals (Appendix, pp. A34-A35) from Cleon Skousen’s 1958 book, The Naked Communist.

#13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

#15. Capture 1 or both of the political parties in the United States.

#16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

#17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

#20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

#21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

#25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

#26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

#27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

#28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

#29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

#30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

#32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

#40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

#41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

17 posted on 02/02/2013 4:46:57 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: Gator113

Rest assured, if the BSA caves to the homo agenda, the BSA will lose the majority of it’s membership.


18 posted on 02/02/2013 4:49:59 PM PST by Josa
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To: NYer

Why don’t they just start the FSA and be done with it. Freedom of Association indeed covers this.


19 posted on 02/02/2013 4:50:26 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: MacNaughton
A few days ago, I posted a link to this thread - Gramsci's Grand Plan . Among the Steps in the Process, he writes:

The first phase in achieving "cultural hegemony" over a nation is the undermining of all elements of traditional culture. Churches are thus transformed into ideology-driven political clubs, with the stress on "social justice" and egalitarianism, with worship reduced to trivialized entertainment, and with age-old doctrinal and moral teachings "modernized" or diminished to the point of irrelevancy. Genuine education is replaced by "dumbed down" and "politically correct" curricula, and standards are reduced dramatically. The mass media are fashioned into instruments for mass manipulation and for harassing and discrediting traditional institutions and their spokesmen. Morality, decency, and old virtues are ridiculed without respite. Tradition-minded clergymen are portrayed as hypocrites and virtuous men and women as prudish, stuffy, and unenlightened.

Stunning! Would appreciate a link to your source, as well. Thank you!

20 posted on 02/02/2013 4:59:49 PM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: NYer
At the same time the National Council Board was considering turning the pedophiles loose on the troops ~ who are ill equipped to deal with the lawsuits they'd need to levy against these people ~ the mainstream media was covering up the story about New Jersey Democrat Senator Menendez and his usage of underage girls or sexual purposes in the Dominican Republic.

It's the same crowd in both cases demanding entry for the pedophiles into Scouting and forcing the coverup of Menendez.

It's pretty obvious Boy Scouts needs a new national board and some of these guys should be investigated

21 posted on 02/02/2013 5:05:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NYer
20 ... Gramsci's Grand Plan ...

Will have to read your link. Agree totally with your post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Communist
The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen, 1958.

http://www.commieblaster.com/news/communist-takeover-plan.html
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record -- Appendix, pp. A34-A35, January 10, 1963

22 posted on 02/02/2013 5:13:56 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: muawiyah

“It’s pretty obvious Boy Scouts needs a new national board and some of these guys should be investigated.”

BINGO! It’s one thing to be under assault from external forces, which are always out there. But to have the National Board push the Boy Scouts down the crapper is reason enough to have the entire Board fired and replaced. I would tell Mr. Ernst & Young and Mr. ATT to go stuff it (which they probably already do).

The BSA does not need corporate sponsors or United Way approval to uphold its charter. It needs to keep its integrity, and the rest will work out.


23 posted on 02/02/2013 5:18:54 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: allendale

If the Boy Scouts vote to admit gays, I suspect that “Scouting for Catholics” will become “Catholic Scouts” and the LDS scouting troops will become a separate organization. The religious will peal away in droves, and it will be easier in many regards because so many troops are already sponsored by churches. Scouting then focuses on being a boys group within the church.


24 posted on 02/02/2013 5:20:19 PM PST by tbw2
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To: allendale

It is much more Toxic than that. It is teaching Vice is “Good” and teaching young boys that there is no Right and Wrong in sexual morality. You are basically throwing out Christian Ethics (that should be instilled in children) and replacing them with the old regressive, pagan, occult “virtue” of sodomy where pederasty was the grooming grounds and always used in their “rites” to Lucifer.

All ancient civilizations practiced child sacrifice, sodomy/pederasty, and slavery. They still do in today’s Afghanistan and other pro-homosexual cultures. It is to force God out of our Constitution-—His standards of Right and Wrong-—so we can replace it with the State and their arbitrary laws—where Vice (sodomy) is forced on children to accept as “good” and a “right”.

It is pure evil to warp the worldview of little kids with thoughts of anal sex-—just like it warps those pretty little Afghani boys who can’t wait to grow up and have harems of boys for their own use.

If children are exposed to “ideas” as if they are “good” which this rule will FORCE——then it will throw out Judeo-Christian EThics and replace it with Satanic Ethics.


25 posted on 02/02/2013 5:37:17 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Josa

Agreed.


26 posted on 02/02/2013 5:40:47 PM PST by tbw2
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To: NYer
Question: "Will the Boy Scouts Give In?"

Answer: Of course they will surrender.

Comment: Vice is every where triumphant. There is no power of resistance, physical or spiritual, remaining in the healthy portion of our society.

27 posted on 02/02/2013 5:54:19 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Josa

If the BSA thinks it has financial problems now, just
go ahead with the homosexual decision and they will really see what financial problems are like.


28 posted on 02/02/2013 6:11:04 PM PST by super7man
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To: chajin

Eagle Scout (1969), 12 years as a Scouter, consistent contributor to the local Council: All to be undone if this decision is made.

No more contributions.

Scouter uniform will be packed away.

Eagle metal will be returned to BSA National.

I have a very heavy heart over this.


29 posted on 02/02/2013 6:19:56 PM PST by super7man
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Another very good article about the BSA and what are the reason or reasons they may be about to go to the Very Dark Side. Please read dagogo redux's comments (many other comments on the thread area also excellent), here's a snip of dagogo's:

The simple, and yet complete, answer, BTW, for anyone wondering why homosexuals would be motivated to become adult or older peer leaders in the Scouts - besides the general Leftist wish to corrupt every last bastion of previously conservative cultural authority - is summed up in Willie Sutton’s famous reason for robbing banks, or in the simple concept of a “target-rich environment”. It’s never any more complicated than that.

Anyone wanting on/off either list, freepmail me.

30 posted on 02/02/2013 7:11:30 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Another very good article about the BSA and what are the reason or reasons they may be about to go to the Very Dark Side. Please read dagogo redux's comments (many other comments on the thread area also excellent), here's a snip of dagogo's:

The simple, and yet complete, answer, BTW, for anyone wondering why homosexuals would be motivated to become adult or older peer leaders in the Scouts - besides the general Leftist wish to corrupt every last bastion of previously conservative cultural authority - is summed up in Willie Sutton’s famous reason for robbing banks, or in the simple concept of a “target-rich environment”. It’s never any more complicated than that.

Anyone wanting on/off either list, freepmail me.

31 posted on 02/02/2013 7:12:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: NYer

Looks like they are planning to ease it in gradually.

The change, I mean...


32 posted on 02/02/2013 7:12:48 PM PST by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: savagesusie

Savagesusie, I really appreciate your comments. My only quibble would be when you say that ALL ancient civilizations practiced sodomy, and this is just plain not true about India. If you want, I can post a link and quotes from the Manu Samhita, tha ancient Vedic texts about laws and right and wrong. Sodomy or same sex acts were punished, condemned and considered grievously sinful and immoral. I am not an historian so I don’t know about other ancient civilizations such as Egypt, Babylonia, Sumeria, or China (or others), but I do know about ancient Indian civilzation, which btw pre-dates all of them, and was very strongly prohibitve of all same sex acts.


33 posted on 02/02/2013 7:23:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: BCW
It’s all about the destruction of an institution they find insulting
 
Can't deconstruct the fact that their Socio-biological fitness is ZERO.
 
"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY"
--Thomas Jefferson
Got Natural Law?
 
 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

34 posted on 02/02/2013 8:48:23 PM PST by TArcher
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>>Why do homosexuals want to join the Boy Scouts?

[Warning - Arrest report with very graphic details regarding the activities of a homosexual pedophile “Boy Scout”]
http://www.scribd.com/doc/110542554/Boys-Scouts-of-America-Floyd-David-Slusher-File


35 posted on 02/02/2013 8:55:59 PM PST by TArcher
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Why do homosexuals want to join the Boy Scouts?

Why indeed. What a mystery. Boggles the mind. I have no idea. Can't even venture a guess.

36 posted on 02/03/2013 8:01:03 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: super7man

You are so right. But I am beginning to think this is just about destroying the BSA. NONE of the liberal, homo supporters care one bit if the BSA goes the way of the dinosaurs; which it will if they allow homo’s to take over.


37 posted on 02/03/2013 4:46:02 PM PST by Josa
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To: little jeremiah

whats the deal about this please?

Have they come out and said no to child molestors or did they put kids in danger for their love of money or shoudl I say they caved in to the two who are bozo’s pals and are infiltrators


38 posted on 02/04/2013 1:11:04 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

It’s crazy, isn’t it, manc. We’ve been at this for years on FR and it’s getting white hot now. The disgustingly evil homo agenda, and the entire leftist/commie/muzzie/sodom and gomorrah agenda is now pedal to the metal. They want utter destruction, because they are motivated by nothing other than lust, greed and anger, and they have all gone stark raving insane.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 3:44:50 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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