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Vets groupsí praise for Hagel adds pressure on GOP
Associated Press ^ | Feb 6, 2013 5:53 PM EST | Donna Cassata

Posted on 02/06/2013 6:58:52 PM PST by Olog-hai

Countering the Republican-led opposition to President Barack Obama’s nominee for defense secretary is a less flashy but powerful constituency: military veterans.

Veterans’ organizations have praised Chuck Hagel, a twice-wounded combat veteran of Vietnam and deputy administrator in President Ronald Reagan’s Veterans Administration.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars has called him uniquely qualified to become Pentagon chief. The Military Officers Association of America said his experience gives him “a range of perspectives.” The American Legion said he was a longtime advocate for veterans. …

VoteVets, a left-leaning veterans group, has campaigned for Hagel through social media, old-fashioned letters to editors and 18,000 emails from some 9,000 people to all the members of the Senate. …

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 113th; chuckhagel; hagelsecdef; hearings; neonazism; veterans; vfw; votevets; waronterror
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Something fishy here.
1 posted on 02/06/2013 6:58:56 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Worse than fishy...


2 posted on 02/06/2013 7:01:26 PM PST by cricket (Push Back Lib Agenda's; Lib propaganda; Lib/Marxist PC; Lib Leaderhship)
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder if there actually are any veteran members of “VoteVets” or if they are all “associate members”.


3 posted on 02/06/2013 7:06:05 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Now Playing. Obama II - The Revenge of My Father.)
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To: Olog-hai
deputy administrator in President Ronald Reagan’s Veterans Administration.

I worked for the VA throughout Reagan's years and never heard of this feather merchant. Furthermore, just because someone is a vet doesn't mean he knows shit from ice cream.

4 posted on 02/06/2013 7:18:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Well I supported Hagel originally but have since gone neutral.

Not that it matters, just stating it publicly is all.

No longer supporting Hagel.


5 posted on 02/06/2013 7:21:04 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Olog-hai

Vietnam magazine had very kind STUPID words for Kerry, go figure. You do know He was in Vietnam


6 posted on 02/06/2013 7:26:22 PM PST by easternsky
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To: Olog-hai

One of the sources for a bunch of Hagel’s income is McCarthy Capital, which will not reveal any foreign influence/investors/payments. They own Election Systems & Software - which provides a large portion of the country’s voting machines and vote tabulation software. Those systems have been found to flip votes. Obama supposedly won the 2012 election because of a very small number of precincts. And people in those areas complained of vote-flipping and other irregularities, in both early voting and on election day.

Obama’s campaign website disabled the credit card verification process which would have ensured that only ELIGIBLE (non-foreign) donors could contribute. There was at least one Muslim site which linked directly to Obama’s donation page and it was found that the majority of donors were foreign.

Ghadaffi said in a public speech in 2008 that Muslims all over the world had contributed to Obama’s campaign and hoped that he would not forget “his Muslim faith” (or more likely, that he owes them big-time). Apparently Obama DIDN’T forget that he owed them big-time, because after a year of being in the White House he told the Egyptian ambassador privately that he was and still is a Muslim who supports the Muslim agenda, and that the Muslim world needed to be patient with him while he worked on Obamacare and then he would push the Muslim agenda. (The agenda all sects of Islam agree on are the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia).

In addition, McCain was ahead in the polls until the Sept 2008 run on the bank, which (according to Kevin Freeman’s supported argument in “Secret Weapon”) was anticipated by world communists and Islamists. Soros himself is a communist who has said he hopes America loses the “war on terror” because America and capitalism are the 2 evils that he - as God (in his own sick mind) - needs to defeat.

Bettina Viviano has said that sources high in Hillary’s campaign told her that Soros asked both Hillary and Obama during the 2008 primary whether they would back his plan to destroy the US economy. Hillary wouldn’t but Obama would.

TARP money went primarily to foreign sharia-compliant banks which had supported leftist politics in America. Though that money was a drop in the bucket compared to the toxic assets out there and the markets were fine for months while TARP was being debated, GW Bush told America that the world as we know it would end if we didn’t pass TARP. (GW Bush’s speech was on the same day as McCain got a phone call from Obama and responded by suspending his campaign and asking for all the debates to be canceled - a request which defies the claims by his campaign that it was just a publicity stunt).

Shortly after that, Islamists such as Zawahiri and Ahmadinejad were saying, “Since capitalism has failed, the world should try Islamic finance.” And communists like Castor and Chavez were saying, “Since capitalism has failed, the world should try communism”. The IMF met in Europe to decide what should happen, now that “capitalism had failed.”

Keep in mind that Ahmadinejad and Chavez are allies, with Chavez allowing Iran to launch missiles from Venezuela, and allowing Iran to fly Hamas and Hezbollah operatives into Venezuela on direct, unchecked flights - which allows for WMD’s to be flown in as well. Freeman’s book describes the marriage between Islamists and communists. They are common enemies of America, and fighting together.

And Obama is the union of communism and Islamism. If you believe his claims of who his father and mother are, his very genes (as well as his upbringing) are the union of those 2 anti-American forces. Those are the people he has allied himself with his entire life long. The secret trip to Pakistan when he was in college, when he hobnobbed with the Islamists, the support by the Black Panthers, Louis Farakkhan, Jeremiah Wright, etc... the Harvard funding by the Saudi Prince, and the logistical support from Bill Ayers’ parents.... all this stuff shows a communist-Islamist alliance that Obama has depended on his whole life long, and that worked together to make the Sept 2008 run on the bank to get Obama elected.

And I believe they threatened another run on the bank if the media heads, Bush, Cheney, McConnell and Boehner, Chief Justice Roberts, Judge Surick, and a whole succession of eligibility judges didn’t do as they were told and allow the communist-Islamist coup to illegally install their puppet, Barack Obama.

If the veterans groups love this country at all, they should look at the bigger picture.


7 posted on 02/06/2013 7:31:58 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Castro, not Castor.


8 posted on 02/06/2013 7:35:48 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Olog-hai
These organizations are supporting Hagel for the same reasons that the NAACP supports Obama.

Until the organizations in this Country start asking serious questions about the content of the person's character (rather than blindly supporting him for less than honest reasons), their leaders should be construed as idiotic, corrupt and dangerous.

I am a Combat Veteran myself, and I know the difference between a Veteran who cares about America's National Security and one who does NOT.

It is critical that these organizations learn how to discriminate the same way, lest they be viewed with disdain by those of us who get it.

9 posted on 02/06/2013 9:32:37 PM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: Olog-hai
I support Hagel because he is a decorated combat Vet and because I cant think of anyone else Obama would nominate who would be better.

I could be persuaded to support a better candidate if I had a name.

Does anybody have a name of someone better that stands a chance in hell of Obama nominating?

10 posted on 02/06/2013 9:43:25 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: Olog-hai
Nothing fishy at all.

The die is cast, even if Hagel is a Jew hating blithering Idiot.

The delayed Vote is just smoke and mirrors.

BTW, I remember when the “Paralyzed Veterans of America” supported Kerry / Edwards in 2004. Haven't given them a dime since then.

11 posted on 02/06/2013 10:02:10 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: montanajoe

Anybody who can’t flip votes for the dems would be better.

My cat would be better.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 6:18:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Another ABO argument... your cat was not a grunt and combat veteran. I know the GOP thinks being against anything Obama is for a good strategy but it did not work out so well in the last electioin...if conservatives are to win they must be prepared to come up with viable alternatives and stop following the failed strategy of the Republicans...


13 posted on 02/07/2013 7:29:52 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

OK. Tom Osborn. Paul Vallely. Marcus Luttrell.

There are a lot of people who could do the job, with advisors who are trustworthy. But Obama is not going to nominate any of those people. His criteria for which leaders get the axe is whether they are willing to order fire against Americans, because that is the next war Obama will have.

IOW, the only “viable alternatives” are people who will be puppets to the communist-Islamist alliance which put Obama in power. There is a very real question of whether foreign money (the communist and Islamist alliance headed by George Soros) was paid to Hagel to flip votes for Obama in critical precincts, in order to keep Obama in power - and whether the SecDef position was the payout for Hagel having his voting machine and tabulation company steal the election for Obama. Some other background at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2986107/posts?page=7#7

And interesting input at http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923

At this point the best we can do is totally stall Obama’s appointments, although that probably won’t make any difference if the #2 guy is his puppet already, since #2 would be in charge if there’s no #1 who’s been confirmed. The military is being purged of its patriots, in leadership positions and among the battle-tested heroes.


14 posted on 02/07/2013 7:51:40 AM PST by butterdezillion
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Here’s an article about Ohio: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/06/ohio_voting_machines_backdoor/

Florida’s largest counties used

Here is a list of states where ES&S machines/tabulation software were used (found at http://votingmachines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000276 ):

“The ES&S iVotronic is a DRE machine with a touch screen interface and VVPAT capability. In the 2012 elections, the iVotronic was used statewide in SC and in some districts in 17 states and DC (AR, CO, FL, IN, KS, KY, MO, MS, NC, NJ, OH, PA, TN, TX, VA, WV, and WI).”

I haven’t read the whole thing, but there is a report of an investigation that threatened to decertify ES&S machines because they don’t protect integrity of the system: http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/Documents/Formal_Investigation_ESS_Unity_3200_FINAL_12.20.11.pdf

Here are some complaints regarding ES&S in the 2008 election: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/10/voting-machine/


15 posted on 02/07/2013 8:26:39 AM PST by butterdezillion
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“But Obama is not going to nominate any of those people”

My point exactly... Obama wont nominate anyone better than HAgel and if his confirmation is rejected he he very likely to nominate someone far worse.

As far as complaining about the election results its over..its like the losing team complaining about the refs in a football game..it aint gonna change the outcome.

Hagel is the best Obama will do in my opinion... he's not the smartest guy out there but having any grunt in that position is far better than any viable alternative likely to be appointed.

16 posted on 02/07/2013 1:00:49 PM PST by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

How about nobody, and just set a standard that if they want anybody as SecDef they have to nominate somebody decent?

Or even better yet, how about we require the President himself to be, like.... a natural born US citizen, with no allegiance to other countries and a lot less likely to be interested in destroying America?


17 posted on 02/07/2013 4:33:39 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: montanajoe

Also, a reason to oppose Hagel for sure, if he doesn’t level with the public about potential foreign influence-buying, is to get rid of this quid pro quo stuff. As long as the politicians can buy “favors” (like treason, fraud, etc), they’ll keep doing it.

If it looks like something stinks, hold up the process until a full investigation is complete and the person has been cleared of wrong-doing. Anything less than that means DC will continue to remain a sewer that stinks up the whole country.


18 posted on 02/07/2013 4:37:02 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Olog-hai

If being a Buck Sgt qualifies you to be Sec Def what does being a Command Sergeant Major qualify you for?


19 posted on 02/07/2013 4:39:37 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: butterdezillion
Hagel ic not the guy to change the way Washington does business IMHO.

Suppose Hagel is rejected, Obama is free to nominate someone far worse, and the new nominee (a transgendered, 60’s SDS member and war protester) will sail right through because O can say “look those Republicans will oppose anybody I nominate..they hate me so much they wont even vote for a Republican I nominate.” The GOP will fold and the far worse candidate gets the job.

Actually I would not be surprised if this was not O’s plan all along...

20 posted on 02/07/2013 7:10:01 PM PST by montanajoe
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