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Joe Paterno family releases report
Espn.com ^ | February 10, 2013 | Espn.com

Posted on 02/10/2013 7:10:13 AM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: smoothsailing

So the Curry and Shultz families bought a study too?


151 posted on 02/10/2013 4:45:48 PM PST by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: smoothsailing
Paterno is the easy target

Easy? No, just the most well known. He was in essence the face of PSU. There weren't statues of the school president or athletic director on campus, were there?

152 posted on 02/10/2013 4:47:30 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: smoothsailing
Paterno's an easy, and appropriate, target because he made Penn State football a virtual fiefdom dedicated to his own persona, and then, the one time it really mattered, he played the good little bureaucrat and passed the buck.

He's a craven coward, and is only slightly less repugnant than the silly losers who keep trying to excuse his weakness.

Paterno was all ate up, as we say down south, with the sin of pride. God used his weakness to teach us all a lesson, if we choose to learn from it.

153 posted on 02/10/2013 4:55:40 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Alaska Wolf

iirc, back in 2004 or so didn’t the PSU president along with the athletic director reportedly demand Paterno resign or be fired? Yet we’re supposed to believe he was powerless to stop a child sex predator outside of reporting some inappropriate horse play in the showers to the “higher ups”.


154 posted on 02/10/2013 4:58:32 PM PST by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: BlackElk
Good Points, especially about the Penn State University Police.

When McQueary was asked why he didn't report the incident to the police he said "I did -- I met with Schulz".

To McQueary, Paterno and anyone else in the know, Schulz was the head of the Penn State University Police.

155 posted on 02/10/2013 4:58:43 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bluetick
I am guessing that Obozo got the votes of Graham Spanier and the various Penn State pixies among the higher ups and that Joe Paterno would not have voted for Obozo on a bet.

When McQueary is said to have "witnessed" the anal rape of a child, I understand that it was by hearing slapping noises from the shower room, that he never entered the shower room, never identified the victim, did not (as a 28 year old athlete and coach) cold cock Sandusky (a normal hormonal reaction for most straight men) and thoroughly stomp his offending organs, and, in fact did not do anything but tell his daddy days later and a day or so after that tell Paterno.

Then, McQueary NEVER reported to law enforcement although McQueary and not Paterno was the actual witness if there was one. The argument of Paterno's antagonists seem to be that he somehow had an obligation to take McQueary more seriously than McQueary took himself. And yet the attacks on Paterno ALL depend upon McQueary and McQueary's credibility and which of several versions of McQueary's story McQueary chose to tell Paterno.

Not so long a time ago, Corbett was elected governor, and Tuomey was elected to the Senate. You suggest a theory that Paterno was somehow tainted by being a Pennsylvanian and thus in the same state as the execrable Mumia (may he be executed one way or another).

156 posted on 02/10/2013 4:59:43 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Easy? No, just the most well known. He was in essence the face of PSU.

Yes, precisely. Paterno was the easy target. By that I mean recognizable and out in the open, a very public figure.

157 posted on 02/10/2013 5:00:41 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: BlackElk

At some point, didn’t PSU tell Sandusky “No more boys in the showers”.

But Paterno never put 2 and 2 together.

Seems legit.


158 posted on 02/10/2013 5:06:33 PM PST by bluetick (If you're going to err, err on the side of liberty.)
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To: ontap

Exactly!


159 posted on 02/10/2013 5:07:59 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
he played the good little bureaucrat and passed the buck.

You mean he did what was required by law and by contract.

He handed the ball off cleanly to his superior [Curley] and then made sure it went to the head of the PSU Police Department [Schulz]-- which he didn't have to do but did anyway.

He was a football coach -- not a child psychologist, criminal investigator, law enforcement officer, university president or vice president, or even the athletic director.

He handed the ball off to those whose position it was to carry it forward and they fumbled it.

Why is that his fault????

160 posted on 02/10/2013 5:10:37 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: smoothsailing
a very public figure

No more "public" than the president or athletic director, but much better known. The easy targets are those with little or no notoriety.

161 posted on 02/10/2013 5:18:22 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I’ll stick with easy, that’s the way I see it. I do, however, understand your perspective.


162 posted on 02/10/2013 5:31:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: freedumb2003; ontap

How can anyone believe that Joe Paterno did not know what was going on with Sandusky. Who sees a guy take little boys on trips and not wonder? Not only Paterno, but a lot of people, including players had to have been suspicious, but Penn State football was above everything else. It’s sickening. How anyone in the Paterno family can show his or her face in public is beyond me.

Then last football season, ESPN showed more Penn State games than ever, and even talked about how sad it was for the players. How about the boys who were raped? If there were any justice in this world, there would be no Penn State football program now.


163 posted on 02/10/2013 5:37:19 PM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Uncle Chip; Trailerpark Badass
You mean he did what was required by law and by contract. He handed the ball off cleanly to his superior [Curley] and then made sure it went to the head of the PSU Police Department [Schulz]-- which he didn't have to do but did anyway. He was a football coach -- not a child psychologist, criminal investigator, law enforcement officer, university president or vice president, or even the athletic director. He handed the ball off to those whose position it was to carry it forward and they fumbled it. Why is that his fault????

Are you saying he had no FURTHER moral obligation to exercise his considerable sphere of influence to ensure that a criminal investigation was jumpstarted somehow, somewhere? If only for the protection of those kids?

You know it's quite interesting that so many relay the Joe Paterno personality cult in State College and say he IS State College (a god, if you will). Yet suddenly...ironically...they portray Joe as this limp-minded guy unable to exercise a considerable sphere of influence...somebody who couldn't even indirectly ensure that the most subtle spark of an investigation was ignited.

Sorry, Penn Staters: You CAN'T have it both ways!

164 posted on 02/10/2013 5:53:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Are you saying he had no FURTHER moral obligation to exercise his considerable sphere of influence to ensure that a criminal investigation was jumpstarted somehow, somewhere?

Once the quarterback hands the ball off cleanly to the halfback, what is his further responsibility???

165 posted on 02/10/2013 5:58:39 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Pining_4_TX; ontap

>> How about the boys who were raped? If there were any justice in this world, there would be no Penn State football program now.<<

Bu- bu- bu- paterno was a GREAT COACH! That absolves him!

(do I need the /sarc?)


166 posted on 02/10/2013 5:59:40 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: Uncle Chip; Trailerpark Badass
You mean he did what was required by law and by contract. He handed the ball off cleanly to his superior [Curley] and then made sure it went to the head of the PSU Police Department [Schulz]-- which he didn't have to do but did anyway. He was a football coach -- not a child psychologist, criminal investigator, law enforcement officer, university president or vice president, or even the athletic director. He handed the ball off to those whose position it was to carry it forward and they fumbled it. Why is that his fault????

#1...we know Paterno testified that he was told (by McQueary) that some "inappropriate action" was witnessed re: Sandusky upon a boy in a Penn State locker room shower.

#2...As mentioned in post #122 re: a quote from columnist Scott Ostler: "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more," Paterno said in a statement. That's pathetic. You need hindsight to tell you that you must do whatever you can to stop a dangerous criminal?

Hence, Paterno ALREADY conceded he failed to act!!!

What did this "failure" to act include?

(a) After McQueary met with Paterno, he delayed telling his supervisors for 24 hours. (What? What if YOUR kid Chip was accessable to a re-rape the night Paterno said nothing) And (b) ...What was a LOT worse: He never followed up in the LONG RUN to ensure that the authorities (not just his superiors) found out McQueary's eyewitness report.

Then (c), Paterno upgraded McQueary's lot in life (from grad asst to wide receivers coach & then head of recruiting). What? You don't think Paterno had the option of asking McQueary from 2004 to 2009 if the police had ever questioned him about the matter...and upon finding out 'no' -- to use his considerable influence to direct McQueary to do that?

167 posted on 02/10/2013 6:00:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: bluetick
This is how powerful Paterno was.

Spanier is loath to take a hard line in negotiations because, ultimately, Paterno holds the hammer -- his relationships with top Penn State donors. The president was asked to estimate how many millions Paterno has personally raised just during Spanier's 13-year tenure:

"I don't know if we can quantify it. I think we can say his contribution to our overall fundraising efforts is unprecedented among any university coach or sports figure. There is nothing like it.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/the_truth_behind_graham_spanie.html

168 posted on 02/10/2013 6:03:56 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Uncle Chip; All
Once the quarterback hands the ball off cleanly to the halfback, what is his further responsibility???

If the halfback fumbles the ball within the reach of the QB, who happens to be the most influential all-encompassing turf QB there is, what is your recommendation, Chip:
(a) twiddle your thumbs?
(b) pull out your i-phone and get a text going for clarification on what to do next?
or (c) Pick your nose?

So coaches who coach their college LEADERS to be instantaneous decision-makers on the spur of the moment somehow can't manage to get their act together over a lengthy 8 or so year-period, eh?

169 posted on 02/10/2013 6:05:34 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: All

No matter what the lawyers will feed on Penn State for years for all the stupid moves that all made.


170 posted on 02/10/2013 6:06:33 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: BlackElk
I think yours is the best post on this thread. It's intelligent and on point like none of the rest.

Joe Paterno was essentially a sideshow to the dark goings-on at Penn State, but he keeps getting all the attention because he was mega-famous. Even on this thread people are acting like everything that went down was essentially about Paterno. That is herd psychology. People are starving for a bete noire in this story, and only iconic types like Paterno can fill those shoes. Sandusky was never famous enough for that role.

171 posted on 02/10/2013 6:11:30 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: Colofornian

But the halfback didn’t fumble the ball then and there in the backfield. That happened further on downfield.


172 posted on 02/10/2013 6:29:47 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
But the halfback didn’t fumble the ball then and there in the backfield. That happened further on downfield.

(Oh, you mean the "halfback" -- Paterno's supervisor -- IMMEDIATELY went to the authorities, eh??? Yeah, right)

173 posted on 02/10/2013 6:57:13 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

“Hence, Paterno ALREADY conceded he failed to act!!!”

Colo, I can look back at many instances in my life - now with perfect hindsight - and wish I had done more. Hindsight works that way. At the time things happen, we usually don’t possess a 360 degree view of all information. Later I simply said that in light of all that came out, with perfect hindsight now, he wished he had done more.

He did not say he failed to act.


174 posted on 02/10/2013 6:58:11 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: Mmmike
Even on this thread people are acting like everything that went down was essentially about Paterno.

No, the Paterno acoloytes are acting like JoPa was a saint who could do no wrong.

175 posted on 02/10/2013 7:13:09 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Colofornian
Oh, you mean the "halfback" -- Paterno's supervisor -- IMMEDIATELY went to the authorities, eh??? Yeah, right

He did. He reported it to Tim Curley, the PSU AD, who went to Gary Schulz, PSU VP who oversaw the PSU Police Department, and both of them went to the Pres of PSU about the matter.

What more was Paterno supposed to do. It got to the top and got there rather quickly with a sense of urgency.

176 posted on 02/10/2013 7:17:21 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf

“No, the Paterno acoloytes are acting like JoPa was a saint who could do no wrong.”

I can only speak for myself... I didn’t particularly like Paterno in my limited exposure to him, though he had many good qualities and cared about his players. I also did not like him as a coach in many ways. I thought the game had passed him by and that he should have retired a decade or more earlier. Also, I would’ve preferred a coach that implemented a split offense...

Having said that, he was tireless and generous in his dealings with students and at psu. I don’t judge a 50+ career by innuendo and unproven allegation, which is what Freeh did.


177 posted on 02/10/2013 7:25:35 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: NittanyLion

I didn’t post any factual errors.

Your hero is a scumbag who put his own “legacy” above that of young boys that were being molested.

May God judge him and his sycophant supporters accordingly.


178 posted on 02/10/2013 7:43:20 PM PST by free me
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
he was tireless and generous in his dealings with students and at psu.

There are few I believe who would disagree. That does not excuse or absolve him from failing to act decisively and responsibly in regards to protecting innocent children from the serial molester Sandusky..

179 posted on 02/10/2013 8:23:17 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
That does not excuse or absolve him from failing to act decisively and responsibly in regards to protecting innocent children from the serial molester Sandusky.

And how did he fail????

180 posted on 02/10/2013 8:28:59 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf

Sorry Alaska, I don’t see the facts to support you opinion. We will have to disagree. If additional info ever confirms your opinion, I will change mine. Until then, I won’t condemn Paterno based on opinion, inference or innuendo.


181 posted on 02/10/2013 8:35:37 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Uncle Chip; All
Colo, I can look back at many instances in my life - now with perfect hindsight - and wish I had done more. Hindsight works that way. At the time things happen, we usually don’t possess a 360 degree view of all information. Later I simply said that in light of all that came out, with perfect hindsight now, he wished he had done more. He did not say he failed to act.

Thank you for your feedback.

All I'm saying -- and perhaps you might agree to some extent -- is how unfortunate that JoePa suddenly "woke up" in late 2011 to FINALLY publicly declare, "I wish I had done more" with regard to Sandusky and these kids.

The question here is why it took over a decade for Paterno to lament these words...(10 years, 9 months to be exact)

My understanding is that the authorities were investigating Sandusky by 2009...so hey, I guess we might be able to excuse JoePa for part of '09 + all of '10 & all of '11...given that by this time, JoePa's "forthrightness" wasn't going to necessarily be of significant special use to authorities...

On the other end of that continuum, Paterno found out in Feb 2001 about an "inappropriate action" -- what he MUCH LATER told the Grand Jury was a "sexual" act of some sort.

So, even if we assume the benefit of the doubt here and not fault JoePa for his February 2001 reactions...at some point that "wish I had done more" statement actively kicks in...well before November 2011!

At some point...perhaps by 2002, it should have dawned on JoePa that this predator was still at loose with nothing being done. A man of JoePa's stature could have demanded an update at any time.

Even if we draw some grace here and take it another year (2003)...or even into early 2004...at some point, we know JoePa was either interviewing Mike McQueary for a Wide Receiver job (early 2004)...or could have had an active involvement in that interview.

Are we all going to close our eyes and somehow imagine that what McQueary saw in a Penn State shower would somehow be 100% irrelevant to the question of whether McQueary would/should be hired?

I mean, as a "negative" vs. the case for Penn State hiring McQueary, since JoePa knew what McQueary reported, his "eyewitness" role should have gone down as a "no go" disqualifier if for no other reason than to keep him at arm's length from the Penn State program...lest later "revelations" erupt that could taint the program. The fact is, JoePa DID NOT regard McQueary as a "negative" association-wise -- either with hiring him on as a wide receivers coach or later as head of recruiting. So, in this way, it comes across to outsiders as a "reward" of sorts for McQueary's extended silence in not pursuing ultimate protection for the children.

Beyond that, JoePa was the most powerful man on campus. At anytime -- beginning from the 2004 interview he/or his reps had of McQueary -- thruout McQueary's 2004-->2009 employment...JoePa could have queried and discovered EXACTLY how authorities had...or had NOT...followed up with McQueary's report...McQueary could have amply told him: "Nothing has happened since then...No follow-up since I've discussed this with other Penn State admins."

And if JoePa couldn't even ask McQueary a follow-up Q of this nature, then it shows his silence is culpable. And, if he did ask such a Q or two, and got those answers from McQueary, his silence carries even more malice vs. the child-victims.

JoePa was a man of influence who failed to use it on behalf of these children.

182 posted on 02/10/2013 8:44:34 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Uncle Chip
And how did he fail????

You really should pose that question to the victims and the victims parents and guardians. Paterno was among the powerful and authoritative who failed to keep a serial child molester off of the PSU campus

http://prospect.org/article/no-touchdown-paterno-biography

Paterno's key failure was not in 1998. Sandusky, after all, had been cleared by the authorities. Paterno's knowledge of the 1998 investigation was relevant not because Paterno could have stopped him at that point but because it should have made the urgency of contacting the authorities in 2001 even more compelling.

183 posted on 02/10/2013 8:56:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Colofornian
JoePa could have queried and discovered EXACTLY how authorities had...or had NOT...followed up with McQueary's report...McQueary could have amply told him:

And both broken the law. You apparently don't understand the confidential tent under which investigations like this are undertaken. Once you have told the authorities what you know you are then out of the loop -- unless or until they need anything further from you. They are now in charge -- not you.

As I said -- once he handed the ball off his job was done. His moral obligation at that point was not to interfere in the subsequent investigation which he probably believed was going on.

184 posted on 02/10/2013 8:57:50 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I don’t see the facts

You actually have to look at them.

http://prospect.org/article/no-touchdown-paterno-biography

Paterno's key failure was not in 1998. Sandusky, after all, had been cleared by the authorities. Paterno's knowledge of the 1998 investigation was relevant not because Paterno could have stopped him at that point but because it should have made the urgency of contacting the authorities in 2001 even more compelling.

185 posted on 02/10/2013 9:00:47 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Paterno's knowledge of the 1998 investigation was relevant not because Paterno could have stopped him at that point

You guys just want to pin everything on Paterno, don't you???

Paterno was not involved in the 1998 investigation and was privy to none of the information.

It was the PA DPW who let Sandusky slide on that one.

If he knew anything about it then whoever told him was breaking the law.

but because it should have made the urgency of contacting the authorities in 2001 even more compelling.

He did contact the authorities in 2001 or weren't you aware of that???

Keep trying -- maybe you and Freeh can find that he had something to do with the Kennedy assassination or Sandy Hook??? Haaaaah

186 posted on 02/10/2013 9:11:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf
...it should have made the urgency of contacting the authorities in 2001 even more compelling.

Yes, Paterno should have immediately contacted the people above him in the Penn State administration, people like the athletic director and the head of the university police, for example. After all, Sandusky was gone from the football program nearly 3 years at that point and was no longer working for Paterno. So Paterno, no longer Sandusky's boss, and not being a cop or an investigator or a prosecutor himself, should have contacted the appropriate people who would certainly do something to find out what the heck was going on.

187 posted on 02/10/2013 9:15:00 PM PST by Lancey Howard (Oh wait.....)
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To: Uncle Chip
You guys just want to pin everything on Paterno, don't you???

I've repeatedly stated that Paterno was one of the powerful and authoritative people at PSU. What is it about "one of" that you fail to comprehend?

Paterno was not involved in the 1998 investigation

Who claimed he was? He sure as hell had knowledge of the investigation as did others.

".....whether or not McQueary told him that he had witnessed anal rape, any report of sexual abuse should have triggered an investigation by proper authorities, particularly since Paterno knew that Sandusky had been investigated before."

188 posted on 02/10/2013 9:21:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Lancey Howard
should have contacted the appropriate people

Yes, the police. This was more than a university problem. I can't believe there are so-called conservatives defending the indefensible.

189 posted on 02/10/2013 9:26:08 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
He sure as hell had knowledge of the investigation as did others.

No he did not. Where are you getting your misinformation.

That 1998 investigation was being played close to the vest like all of these types of investigations, and like 2001 would have been. If anybody had told Paterno what was going on in 1998 they would have been breaking the law and been brought up on charges.

190 posted on 02/10/2013 9:39:24 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf
Yes, the police. This was more than a university problem.

I got news for you. The Penn State University Police Department ARE the police on the Penn State campus, as it is on most university campus's throughout the country.

In the 1998 Sandusky investigation the police force involved was [you guessed it] the Penn State University Police Department, more specifically their Chief Harmon.

That's why all this nonsense about Paterno not going to the "authorities" is poppycock.

The head of the PSUPD was Gary Schulz and he was involved within days of the McQueary incident and met with him, and then Chief Harmon was contacted.

What more did people want of Paterno??? Was he supposed to do their jobs too??? and maybe teach dance classes as well??? Get real -------

191 posted on 02/10/2013 9:55:19 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Alaska Wolf

Yeah, Joe Paterno should have contacted the police. Not McQueary or his old man. Not Curley. Not Schultz. Not Spanier. Not the hundred other people, including Sandusky’s family, friends, Second Mile associates, university benefactors.... maybe even a VICTIM? Yeah. It wasn’t up to anybody else, especially the administrators who were supposed to know what to do - - it was all on the old man, the football coach, Joe Paterno.

You’re lazy. You really should try thinking a little bit before you start big-mouthing and pointing a finger at somebody far more accomplished than you will ever be. It always cracks me up - - even as it disappoints me - - how little people like you enjoy tearing down people who have accomplished something.


192 posted on 02/10/2013 9:58:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Uncle Chip
In the 1998 Sandusky investigation the police force involved was [you guessed it] the Penn State University Police Department

Does PSU have its own district attorney, court system and prison system?

What more did people want of Paterno???

How about being a responsible adult?

193 posted on 02/10/2013 10:19:52 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Lancey Howard
Yeah, Joe Paterno should have contacted the police

You're right for a change.

It wasn’t up to anybody else,

That's a dumb thing to state. Every adult with the slightest suspicion of what the serial child molester, Sandusky, was doing is partially responsible.

You’re lazy. should try thinking a little bit

I've done the research and posted links. What have you done besides attack me?

little people like you enjoy tearing down people

Rather hypocritical of you, isn't it?

194 posted on 02/10/2013 10:31:20 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Uncle Chip
No he did not.

Where are you getting your information? I already posted a link, but I'll repost it especially for you. It seems you have difficulty keeping up.

http://prospect.org/article/no-touchdown-paterno-biography

If anybody had told Paterno what was going on in 1998 they would have been breaking the law and been brought up on charges.

Can you provide documentation that would be the case after the investigation was concluded?

195 posted on 02/10/2013 10:41:03 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Once the quarterback hands the ball off cleanly to the halfback, what is his further responsibility??? “

Ironically, his responsibility is to carry out a fake.

Which Paterno did.


196 posted on 02/10/2013 11:35:57 PM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: Mmmike
Thanks for your kind words. I took a look at your home page and I would invite each and every FReeper to take a look as well. Your concept of Personal Secularism being imposed by government schools is absolutely on the money. We see the effect in last year's election results.

May God bless you and yours!

197 posted on 02/10/2013 11:40:06 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Heh, what a lame reply.
I think I hear the sound of a worm heading back under his/her/its rock.
Have a nice life.


198 posted on 02/10/2013 11:57:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I think I hear the sound of a worm heading back under his/her/its rock.

It must be you.

199 posted on 02/11/2013 12:13:22 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Does PSU have its own district attorney, court system and prison system?

No -- they utilize the county's -- like most towns. My town of 15,000 does as well.

If you had done your research you would have known that the police chief involved in the 1998 episode was Chief Harmon of the Penn State University Police Department.

How about being a responsible adult?

You mean like obeying the law and keeping the requirements of a contract. He did that. It's you who somehow thinks that breaking the law is being a responsible adult.

200 posted on 02/11/2013 5:31:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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