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Support for Dorner is Troubling
Townhall.com ^ | February 12, 2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 02/12/2013 11:04:32 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 02/12/2013 11:04:40 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Kinda reminds me of Natural Born Killers. Still, I think the cops shooting up the two other pickup trucks has something to do with it. Thing is, though, it doesn’t make him any better. It just makes them worse.


2 posted on 02/12/2013 11:07:29 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kaslin

When the Gov’t stops respecting the law and starts enforcing only the laws it likes; and when it enforces the law it does so unevenly among the citizenry; then people naturally stop obeying the law, universally.

The law is the only thing that prevents us from being a 3rd world nation and Obama/Democrats are singularly responsible for creating this atmosphere of lawlessness and the reactionary support for that lawlessness.

This Truth is as old as man.

This is one of the scariest things that is happening in our society and no one - no one - is talking about it.


This ex-cop is just the beginning. There are dozens who are watching this event whom were right on the edge - whom are now making plans. Expect more of this.

Like Rush says, the safest thing that the citizens of L.A. can do now is to surrender all of their guns to the government and create a really big “gun-free zone.” His sarcasm always gives me chuckles.


3 posted on 02/12/2013 11:16:14 AM PST by Noamie
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To: Kaslin

It’s another set up by Obama.


4 posted on 02/12/2013 11:18:32 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Kaslin

It’s hard for me to dispute Dorner. I can’t support him, but I also can’t dispute him.

His core complaint is that his career was destroyed in order to protect the LAPD from a complaint of excessive force.

Seems to me in the course of the manhunt for Dorner the LAPD has gone above and beyond in VALIDATING Dorner’s assertions that the LAPD tacitly endorses the use of excessive force. After all, we’ve seen two situations where the police attempted to MURDER innocent people only to have the LAPD say that their officers ‘acted appropriately’.

IMHO the way the LAPD has responded to Dorner’s actions by going on the warpath against anyone they want speaks to why people need firearms like the AR-15 with a 30-round magazine.

That’s because it isn’t paranoid to think that the government might really try to murder you with no good reason at all.


5 posted on 02/12/2013 11:19:40 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: Kaslin
I think Christopher Dorner's part of a ‘vast left wing conspiracy’ and that all citizens who talk about 'wanting gun control' should be investigated. I'm sure the Southern Poverty Law Center would appreciate that type of totalitarian logic...
6 posted on 02/12/2013 11:23:32 AM PST by GOPJ ( Illegal immigrants: violent boorish party crashers. Send them home, call police - make them leave.)
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To: Noamie

You are exactly right. This whole thing is a symptom of cultural collapse, but nobody seems to be able to see it.

The rule of law is grievously wounded, sepsis has set into the body politic and its institutions are failing.


7 posted on 02/12/2013 11:25:59 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: MeganC

It seems the truck shootings show the police intend to have no living Dorner to testify about anything wrong with the cops.


8 posted on 02/12/2013 11:27:16 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: Valpal1

I know of 2 police forces I absolutely distrust, 1 that I absolutely trust, and 1 whose officers I trust and whose leadership I distrust.

That’s a whale of a lot of distrust coming from a rightwing law and order guy.


9 posted on 02/12/2013 11:29:40 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Of the government, by the government, and for the government.)
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To: cuban leaf; MeganC

Yeah, like an ex-employee is a reliable source for anything...

The left likes him because he appears to be a black leftist loony who has spent his entire life interpreting everything in terms of “The Man” coming to get him.

He shouldn’t even have been allowed on the force.

My feeling about LAPD is that they are overwhelmed, because they really can’t go after the gang-bangers because most of them belong to a protected class, but most of them want to do something about crime there. However, I honestly don’t think most of them have the training to do their jobs, and this is something that the chief should look at. That said, it’s so politicized in LA that he probably can’t even go there...

I have a family member who worked for a leftist oriented police department and life was very difficult for the cops. This resulted in bad decisions...because it is literally a split-second decision when you think somebody is going to fire on you. Only one person is going to go home, and you want it to be you.

The curious thing, in my opinion, is that LAPD appears to be very behind the times in terms of its technology. Why didn’t these cops know (from a screen in their car) what the vehicle they were seeking looked like?


10 posted on 02/12/2013 11:33:37 AM PST by livius
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To: Kaslin

Support for this fascist State and any of its police forces is troubling.


11 posted on 02/12/2013 11:34:09 AM PST by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: gotribe

Support for Obama troubles me more than support for Dorner.


12 posted on 02/12/2013 11:36:16 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Uncle Miltie
It seems the truck shootings show the police intend to have no living Dorner to testify about anything wrong with the cops.

L.A. residents better hope that Dorner doesn't just realize this...crawl into some hole...and off himself.

The cops would be blasting away at shadows for decades to come.
13 posted on 02/12/2013 11:46:45 AM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: livius

“Yeah, like an ex-employee is a reliable source for anything...”

Normally I’d agree with you. But as I said, in this case the LAPD is validating Dorner’s assertions with their actions.

I also don’t think the left is fawning all over him. Initially they reported on him as being a crazed killer and they’ve only changed their tone on the story because of the comments on their own web forums that see Dorner as standing up to official abuse.

Again, I won’t say that I support him, but I also am finding less reason to dispute his assertions as we learn more about the case and as we see the LAPD in action.


14 posted on 02/12/2013 11:48:22 AM PST by MeganC (Liberals fool people by walking upright.)
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To: Noamie
his is one of the scariest things that is happening in our society and no one - no one - is talking about it.

i am surprised at how surprised people are over this... and i'm surprised this has not happened sooner... i am not at all surprised he has supporters... i have a hard time believing his supporters are mainly libs...

15 posted on 02/12/2013 11:54:00 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: MeganC

The way you “stand up to official abuse” is by filing a lawsuit, not by killing your attorney’s daughter and her husband.

The guy is a nutbag who has proclaimed a cause (mistreated black man) that is seducing every liberal in the US.

BTW, the daughter appears to have been Filipina and her husband was black, so I don’t even know why blacks are out there rooting for this guy.

He’s a nutcase.


16 posted on 02/12/2013 11:59:47 AM PST by livius
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To: ZX12R

Bingo:

Dorners support is troubling, but is it really surprising?

How many still support cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.

Many are movie stars supporting this murderer, why wouldn’t they support Dorner? Why are they supporting Trayvon Martin?

P.S. They also support Obama.

Troubling ? Yes. Surprising?? Hell no
Before its over we may start getting copycats or others joining Dorner.


17 posted on 02/12/2013 12:01:18 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

On the hypotheticals they listed. That is not really an apples to apples comparison. Those other people’s actions have not resulted in the deaths of many innocent people on a daily basis, such as cop malfeasance has done.

The deaths of innocent people that the LAPD has caused over the years is what takes the bite off his killing of the daughter. In that situation, it’s more of an equal retaliation for the pain that many LA citizens have felt.

I am not condoning it, just pointing out the obvious mental perspective.


18 posted on 02/12/2013 12:03:59 PM PST by Rage cat
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To: livius
I think there are some people that just like that he is giving it to the police and being successful. All those stories of police brutality, murder, and pointless dog killing, are being held in mind.
19 posted on 02/12/2013 12:05:02 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: cuban leaf

“Still, I think the cops shooting up the two other pickup trucks has something to do with it.”

Yes, but more than that, it is the powerless cheering for a champion taking on the powerful. Ordinary citizens have been pushed around, bullied, extorted, abused, and sometimes outright murdered by police for years, with little to no recourse. So, even though most people don’t support Dorner killing innocent people (I hope), there is still going to be elation that somebody, anybody, is striking fear into those who have held themselves to be unaccountable.


20 posted on 02/12/2013 12:05:31 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Kaslin

If people couldn’t see this coming, then they have no sense of history.

The rule of law requires a respect for the people who have to live by those laws.

Today, we pick and choose the laws we want to enforce, and we’ve criminalized nearly everyone in the USA.

It’s pretty clear by the actions of the LAPD that they definitely see it that way, or how else do you explain the ‘shoot first’ mode they’ve been in since this has all happened.

The Law has become a nightclub, and either your name is on the list and you’re exempt from the following it (your in), or the law is what the state uses to keep you out of the disco.

Dorner did the due process bit with the LAPD, and thought it was one big corrupt enterprise, and the irony is that he still thinks civilians ought to go around weaponless, so that the cops have all the power. He’s still a member of the gang, you see.

Dorner’s beef here is that within that sort of mindset, the LAPD forgot that every cop is part of the same criminal enterprise, and they know how things truly are. He figured out there is no due process among theives, and like any betrayed gang member he came after the people he thought had their back.

This is how you square his ‘liberalism’ with his actions here. He was part of the system, got screwed by it, knows the system is criminal, and took criminal reprisals against it.

I have no doubt what Dorner was saying was true about getting fired for his partner’s abuse of power. I’m just shocked this hasn’t happened sooner.

The LAPD is a gang, and they screwed the wrong gang member, and now he’s doing what any screwed killer is wont to do - kill members of his former gang, and their family members.

The LAPD are trying to figure out how to put the toothpaste back into the tube now. Dorner’s just reinforced the perceptions everyone’s had of the LAPD for a long time.

Dorner’s killing cops now because no matter what he’s never going to get a fair trial. The scary part for the LAPD is that we all may end up figuring that out, and since they are apparently helpless against one dude, they aren’t going to be any more effective against two or more.


21 posted on 02/12/2013 12:08:21 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: MeganC
Dorner's correct route was through a lawsuit...not murder.

He's scum.

22 posted on 02/12/2013 12:08:39 PM PST by what's up
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To: Kaslin

“......but if his daughter and her fiance are murdered, then the cop would experience real pain until he died.”

I don’t know if the person who said this was praising Dorner’s actions or not. But the statement is true.

Jackbooted thugs who break into people’s houses and scare the hell out of everyone and cops who shoot people’s dogs and generally mistreat law abiding citizens are also reasons for this facination with Dorner. I’m not saying people are rooting FOR Dorner. I’m saying they’re rooting AGAINST the cops.


23 posted on 02/12/2013 12:09:39 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Kaslin

Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Mao....


24 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kaslin

The left and especially defense lawyers push this “snap” thing. There’s no such thing as “snap.”

“snap” is undefined in the law books. It has no meaning. Its purpose is to sway juries to give innocent verdicts.

The left doesn’t believe in free will or personal responsibility for actions. We are just material automatons, with no higher-order thought processes.


25 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:19 PM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism comes from an incurable mental illness.)
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To: Kaslin
Support for Dorner is Troubling

Troubling, but not surprising. The ignorsnt, raging, lawless minority, entitlement class often choose psychopaths as their "heros".

26 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:39 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Boogieman

I concur.


27 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:39 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Venturer
Before its over we may start getting copycats or others joining Dorner.

That is a very scary thought, that occurred to me yesterday.

I am being very honest when I say, that I believe Obama, his administration, and their agenda, is responsible for the environment of fear, racial tension, and stress that we now have, and may end up being infamous for starting a horrible historic period. I hope not.
28 posted on 02/12/2013 12:11:57 PM PST by ZX12R
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Why does the left admire this POS so much? Because it is a perfect example of what they want all “poor” “downtrodden” “oppressed” “underclass” people to be. Angry. Violent. Uncontrollable. Rebelling against the established order.


29 posted on 02/12/2013 12:13:25 PM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism comes from an incurable mental illness.)
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To: ZX12R
I think there are some people that just like that he is giving it to the police and being successful.

From my experience I would wager that there are plenty of sick puppies on this very forum who feel that way.

30 posted on 02/12/2013 12:13:36 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Alaska Wolf

No more troubling than the support for the Marxist-In-Chief.


31 posted on 02/12/2013 12:13:55 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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A couple of things...Those kops who shot up the truck in my eyes are just as much murderers as Dorner...Their intent was to murder, in the back...Kops will kill your pets for convenience and fun, and constantly get away with it...

They bust into wrong houses without warrants even and murder completely innocent victims...And get away with it...

Kops are making a pretty bad reputation for themselves country wide...

And the other things is, this guy Dorner’s future was destroyed...I don’t try to justify what he is charged with because that of course is unacceptable but it sickens me to watch some arrogant employers and bosses treat others with so little respect...

You unjustly take away a man’s livlihood, in some cases you are lighting a powder keg...More people ought to realize that...

And so far, we can’t be sure if Dorner is guilty of anything, can we???

One thing’s for certain...They plan to kill Dorner before he can get an audience to listen to his side...

Dorner is not my cult hero but I can see why he fulfills that role for some...


32 posted on 02/12/2013 12:14:41 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: Valpal1

As Gerald Celente said, “When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it.”

I think this really is an example of that and we can see this sort of thing only increase.


33 posted on 02/12/2013 12:17:11 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Agreed and it makes me sad to see it.


34 posted on 02/12/2013 12:20:55 PM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Iscool

I think yours is a reasonable point of view.


35 posted on 02/12/2013 12:21:28 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: Noamie

Yep, I think that, between the Django movie and Dorner’s actions,
there will be many more that are “inspired” to take action on what 0bama has been fomenting for his entire political career.


36 posted on 02/12/2013 12:24:57 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Revolting cat!
No more troubling than the support for the Marxist-In-Chief.

What more can one expect from liberals?

37 posted on 02/12/2013 12:27:43 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Iscool

Nothing you said gives Dorner the right to murder people. Nothing. You are sick for thinking otherwise. BTW, you spelled “cops” wrong.


38 posted on 02/12/2013 12:29:15 PM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: MrB

I had forgotten that Dorner said he saw the movie “Django”. I can’t help but wonder if seeing that movie was the direct event responsible for setting him off. About the same timeframe, right? Sounds like a case against violent movies. Well, at least ones where blacks take it to THE MAN.


39 posted on 02/12/2013 12:33:08 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: ZX12R

Most people who get fired from a job just go out and find another one.

If they don’t they probably needed firing.


40 posted on 02/12/2013 12:35:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin
I think that much of what is being interpreted as Dorner support is actually just anti LAPD support. The LAPD has proved themselves to be trigger happy, jack booted buffoons that have no interest in the safety of the people that they have sworn to serve. The usual crazies not withstanding. I have read that a bunch of nuts are supporting the Colorado theater killer too.
41 posted on 02/12/2013 12:36:41 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: justice14
Nothing you said gives Dorner the right to murder people. Nothing. You are sick for thinking otherwise. BTW, you spelled “cops” wrong.

Never said I did...In fact, I indicated I opposed it, if in fact Dorner killed anyone...

I'll try to make it a little more clear...The current actions of some of the police thruout the country can push a situation like this to happen...I'm surprised some pet owner hasn't taken out a kop who unjustly murdered his family pet...

Everyone has the internet now days...These things aren't kept secret like they may have been in the past...And people are getting a view of kops, swat teams, military vehicles and drones and are not liking what they see...A completely new view of what we always saw of Andy, Barnie and Opie...

42 posted on 02/12/2013 12:38:48 PM PST by Iscool (I love animals...barbequed, fried, grilled, stewed,,,,)
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To: justice14
From his post:

I don’t try to justify what he is charged with because that of course is unacceptable
43 posted on 02/12/2013 12:38:50 PM PST by ZX12R
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If they don’t they probably needed firing.

Yes, but you still need to consider it and be careful. Lots of kooks on the edge these days.
44 posted on 02/12/2013 12:42:07 PM PST by ZX12R
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You unjustly take away a man’s livlihood, in some cases you are lighting a powder keg...More people ought to realize that...

Classic case of victimizing the perpetrator.

Dorner is scum. His recourse was the court, not murder. He is foul and deserves NO sympathy.

45 posted on 02/12/2013 12:43:10 PM PST by what's up
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To: Uncle Miltie

And yet the silence is deafening from the MSM covering that the police injured/killed innocent bystanders. You are right, they are hunting him to avoid being hunted themselves. His manifesto, the uncensored version, is interesting reading. The names he provided should be investigated by an independent agency and ALL the bad apples should be culled.


46 posted on 02/12/2013 12:48:33 PM PST by toolman1401
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To: livius
I don’t even know why blacks are out there rooting for this guy.

Blacks know what it is to get roughed up by cops. This guy don't come off as a nutcase. He may have been pushed over the edge. I've seen guys snap for being denied leave. Sometimes it does not take much to trigger a reaction like this.

47 posted on 02/12/2013 12:49:13 PM PST by USAF80
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To: latina4dubya
i am not at all surprised he has supporters... i have a hard time believing his supporters are mainly libs...

Read some of the comments here and it makes you wonder. The guy is a murderer period. There is no justification for what he has done.

48 posted on 02/12/2013 12:50:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t think there is support for Dorner; I think there is disgust with the corrupt, trigger-happy incompetents in the LAPD.
It is not the same thing...


49 posted on 02/12/2013 12:53:17 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: toolman1401
The names he provided should be investigated by an independent agency and ALL the bad apples should be culled.

Didn't you hear? The LAPD has reopened the case, and is investigating themselves again. Bet I know the outcome.
50 posted on 02/12/2013 12:53:42 PM PST by ZX12R
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