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To: Liz; BlackElk; kingu; msrngtp2002; xzins; pabianice; Adder; lacrew; All
Author is correct in some possibilities of search engine to be an intelligence tool (think of "connecting the dots" and Able Danger or Zero Dark Thirty for examples of "social networking analysis") but he is significantly overstating the "political danger" of Google.

Dems were/are just as paranoid about "Fox News" and Myspace (which is no longer owned by News Corp.) and for similar reasons.

Google search cookies can (and should) be disabled or deleted/cleaned frequently on regular basis which greatly reduces its tracking capability. General IP "tracking" is not precise, and doesn't really lend itself to the kind of analysis author is worried about. It can also be defeated if one is sufficiently paranoid, but there is hardly and rarely a need for it.

Most people using Gmail use handles instead of real names, and most of that mail is not sensitive or useful for precision voting pattern analysis or "aftermarket" ads.

Google has compiled a lot of "Big Data" type of information that it can mine, so has Facebook (and qualitatively it's much better because it's much more "personal" due to the its nature as "social" media... same is true about Google+ but participation in both is purely voluntary and users should understand that their private data on social media will be monetized, i.e., sold to people/orgs who maybe interested in certain preferences, habits, "traits" or "trends" which includes political analysis), but they don't have "enough" data to be any more usable for electoral victories than what has been collected over the years and is already available to political information analysts (like Barone, Rove, Plouffe, Axelrod et al) and sometimes they are just wrong due to GIGO (think ill-fated Romney's Orca or even much better equivalent from Obama machine).

What author proposes is that the predominant issue is the access or lack of it to the "Big Data." The "Big Data" itself was not the problem in this election, the GOP-e technocrat candidate and the consultant-driven campaigns they keep running since 1990s combined with self-imposed technological disadvantages and lack of coherent and consistent message were the problems.

The temporary disadvantage in "Big Data" can be easily fixed, with some money and effort... The disadvantages in GOP "message" and messengers' passion and sincerity is another matter...

From Gingrich: The challenge confronting Republicans - FR / HE, post #2, 2012 December 24

31 posted on 02/12/2013 10:32:42 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; sickoflibs; xzins; BlackElk; Osage Orange; miss marmelstein; ken5050
Thanks for the precise deconstruction of what we're up against. Now let it be known that "the Dem system" is flawed, and can result in monmumental failures......(drum roll please).....I give you ex-Gov Jon Corzine (D-NJ)

Corzine/Obama were well-prepared for Corz's 2009 reelection----they had billions hidden (stim money); they were on their knees in obeisance to the large latino population---obsessively sucking up to nail the vote;

But incumbent Gov Corzine suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of a conservative Republican with virtually no war chest in a solid, union-heavy Dem state. Here's the Obama/Dem formula for winning (so they thought):

<><>Obama personally directed the WH take over Corzine’s campaign.

<><>Obama campaigned in NJ three times, Biden was there twice.

<><>Obama put the power of the WH political machine behind Corzine.

<><> Obama TV ads ran relentlessly on costly NY media.

Lo and behold---the NY Times actually reported:

(a) every TV ad Corzine put on the air was being screened by Obama’s WH “geniuses.”

(b) Corzine’s aides gave the WH daily briefings.

(c) Obama’s pollsters took over for Corzine’s polling team, and,

(d) White House operatives were on the ground for internal strategy sessions.

(e) Obama sent NJ $17.2 billion "stimulus" to NJ which promptly disappeared.

(f) secret strategy sessions were held with latinos;

(g) a Peruvian PAC endorsed Corzine;

(h) candidate Corzine bragged he had 20,000 paid (union) operatives on the street getting out the states largely registered Dem voters.

HAPPILY EVER AFTER (/snix) And the kicker was a Repub Lt gov got elected----hated by latinos for coming down hard on illegals when she was a county sheriff.

CONCLUSION Obama's "help" was a millstone around the neck of former Goldman-Sachs exec Jon Corzine---who lost handily. Corzine was once being considered for Obama's US treasury Secy---he is now under investigation in the MF Global missing billions theft---(still free b/c he knows where the stim billions Obama hid in NJ are).

33 posted on 02/13/2013 4:55:51 AM PST by Liz
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To: CutePuppy

Some good points....but remember, you might turn of your cookies, and you might be aware that there is no provacy on a gmail account...

....but do the Daily Show watching sheeple care? The great gelatenous mass in the middle is the target. The people who stick their finger in the wind, or are one issue voters - Google can be very, very helpful with them.

As to some of Newt’s comments - I agree with most. Unfortunately, I don’t think the GOP will every be on the full time ‘offense’ like he wants. The thing we can’t compete with: the democrats don’t care about the outcome. I didn’t watch the SOTU last night, but the highlight reel shows Obama demanding more money for x, y, and z (and x, y, and z are carefully cultivated special interest groups). He’s not so foolish as to believe a) we could afford any of it, or b) he’s really going to get 10% of what he’s demands. Its all politics to him...a very cynical ploy to pit special interest groups against the adults in the room, who have to say ‘no’. The GOP can never match that...because it isn’t that dishonest.

37 posted on 02/13/2013 6:57:01 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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