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Dresden deserves to be remembered
UK Telegraph ^ | 02/13/2013 | Tom Chivers

Posted on 02/13/2013 9:04:00 AM PST by Kid Shelleen

It's the 68th anniversary of the Dresden bombing. In Britain, we don't think about it as much as, perhaps, we should. The bare facts. More than 1,200 RAF and USAAF bombers attacked the city between the 13th and 15th of February 1945, in four raids. They dropped 3,900 tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs, killing between 22,000 and 25,000 people, almost all civilians. The city's anti-aircraft defences had all been moved to defend the industrial works of the Ruhr valley. The details are chilling.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anniversary; dresden; raf; wwii
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To: TADSLOS
Wrong. War is about nation building and soft power. Didn't you get the memo? Get with the program. /s

LOL Now we fight a more humane perpetual war where soldiers can be stationed in camps established by their fathers and grandfathers.
181 posted on 02/13/2013 11:02:38 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MeganC

The issue of Poland is sad, but not as disgraceful as what occurred with Czechoslovakia at Munich.

The USSR didn’t invade until after the Britain and France had already declared war on Germany. The honorable thing to do would have been to also declare war on the USSR, but practically, they would have had zero chance of defeating or even defending themselves from an allied USSR/Germany alliance.

The USSR had declared that they were invading Poland to save it from Hitler. I doubt anyone believed that, but motivation was a moot point unless the Germans could be defeated first.

All of that said, the Germans left almost nothing in Germany to defend against the French. Even then, having declared war, the French and British sat on their hands until attacked by the Germans, who had time to reposition after taking Poland.

Had the French taken their tanks and airforce and attacked into Germany, while the German army was beginning its attack on Poland, they might have actually kept the Germans from taking Poland and simultaneously kept Stalin from jumping off into Poland.


182 posted on 02/13/2013 11:06:00 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: cripplecreek

They’re doing no such thing, and equating the questioning of what Jane Fonda said regarding our actions in Vietnam to the actions of the allies in WWII is intellectually weak. Anything Jane Fonda ever said is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

No one here is celebrating the Nazis, or celebrating the Japanese. They’re questioning the morality of incinerating thousands of civilians when that action would have no impact at all on the conduct of the war. I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified. It helped the Japanese realize they couldn’t win. Dresden? I think the case is not nearly so clearly.

Your “bomb them all and let God sort them out attitude” is, quite frankly, boring.


183 posted on 02/13/2013 11:06:56 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45
Your “bomb them all and let God sort them out attitude” is, quite frankly, boring.

Yet here you are commenting on it. LOL
184 posted on 02/13/2013 11:09:40 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ExTxMarine
If the US wanted to terrorize Japan, why wouldn't they have just dropped the A-Bombs on Tokyo and the Emperor's Palace? Because the Emperor's Palace was surrounded by three SCHOOLS! And Tokyo would have been too many civilians without many military-rich targets.

And when we firebombed Tokyo killing 100,000 people in one night five months earlier?

185 posted on 02/13/2013 11:11:01 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: muawiyah

Failure of the United States ARTILLERY, or Snipers killing Adolph Hitler, in WWI led directly resulted in the rise of the Nazis and then the initiation of WWII.


186 posted on 02/13/2013 11:12:43 AM PST by Tahoe3002
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

The bat bombs we developed were for fire starting. And they worked well enough that they kept setting our stuff on fire. LOL


187 posted on 02/13/2013 11:15:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Houghton M.

Too many Freepers, being conservatives, love history, and get sucked into the History Channel and its clones which haven’t produced any historical value for a decade but do produce and endless supply of revisionism, watered down education, and numerous tidbits and facts that are packaged together in hairbrained explanations of history that would have been laughed at by any serious historian (or literate critical thinker) a generation ago.


188 posted on 02/13/2013 11:15:11 AM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: mass55th

He has to eat. He’s going to get thirsty. He has to breathe. He’s going to need to sleep.

He is in an isolate area, he poses no risk to the public.

Deliberately setting fire to the building (Police scanner intercepts indicate that no less than 7 incendiary devices were used, and that the arson was going “as planned” strongly indicate that there was no intent to risk taking him alive)

Me? I would have been inclined to fill the place with CS teargas, or some related non-lethal agent (pepper gas, retch gas or stench). In a couple hours they could have had Gov Brown authorize use of national guard non-lethal area denial equipment, noise, dazzle, or heat.

But I don’t have a need to kill him before he could testify in court. Nor the need to impose vigilante justice on one who killed some of my own. I trust the courts and the legal system to render justice.

That the police don’t speaks volumes...


189 posted on 02/13/2013 11:17:02 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Stop adding logic and facts. You’ll confuse him. Any argument that we tried to minimize civilian casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki is a real laugher. (And I support the bombings)


190 posted on 02/13/2013 11:18:49 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: Sherman Logan

Dresden was as ideologically pure as a German city could get. Untouched by the ravages of war, its citizenry remained as fanatical as could be by that point in the war.

Just as Eisenhower paraded German citizens through the concentration camps, Dresden had to pay its own price.


191 posted on 02/13/2013 11:19:59 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Tahoe3002

If the Nazis didn’t take over Germany, then the Communists would have.

There would have been war either way. The only question is who would have started it, Germany or the Soviet Union.


192 posted on 02/13/2013 11:21:25 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, because stupidity needs to be nipped in the bud.


193 posted on 02/13/2013 11:24:01 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: TheRhinelander
"Only war criminals target civilians."

Define civilian, because its not the people who produce arms, food, security, support etc. to your chosen enemy. In fact the quicker you destroy the enemies COG, the quicker you will win wars.

If "civis" don't like that idea of supporting a war effort then join the resistance because just because your head is filled with propaganda, does not mean you are innocent.

War criminals are defined by those who win wars. Sad fact, but war is a sad process of the human condition.
194 posted on 02/13/2013 11:25:15 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Kozak; CodeToad
Congratulations ! You just justified the nuking of an American city.

*shrug* Would most muslims hesitate for an instant if they had the bomb, and thought it would bring about a world caliphate?

Would Kim-il Unnngh hesitate?

Would China, if they thought could keep their fingerprints off of it, and they thought they could get the contract to rebuild?

195 posted on 02/13/2013 11:25:52 AM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: dfwgator
The Germans did just fine.....they got the Marshall Plan after the war....what did their first victim, Poland, get? They got the Marshall Stalin Plan for 40+ years.

LOL!

I need a new keyboard now. Have to put the soda down.

Sauron

196 posted on 02/13/2013 11:27:14 AM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: bigdaddy45

Whatever you say Miss Fonda.


197 posted on 02/13/2013 11:27:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: rollo tomasi
Sad fact, but war is a sad process of the human condition.

So don't start them......The Germans started it, we finished it.

198 posted on 02/13/2013 11:27:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: bigdaddy45
Yes, because stupidity needs to be nipped in the bud.

That's waisis!

199 posted on 02/13/2013 11:29:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Congrats!! Your bona fides as a complete and total intellectual lightweight are now confirmed. Did you stick your tongue out when you typed that too?


200 posted on 02/13/2013 11:31:22 AM PST by bigdaddy45
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