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Police Appeared To Shout 'Burn This Mother' Down Before Fire Engulfed Rogue Ex-Cop's Cabin
Business Insider Military & Defense ^ | 13 Feb 13 | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 02/13/2013 3:00:36 PM PST by Repeat Offender

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To: bigheadfred
"When, after a black has already killed many... It is...every patriotic American's duty to kill the SOB"

Do you work for NBC news? Cutting out parts to slant its meaning!

Try the entire quote: "When, after a black has already killed many, and is in the act of trying to kill some more, it becomes the job of the ACLU, the Communist Party and the Black Panther Party to defend the Constitution. It is the cops' and every other patriotic American's duty to kill the SOB."

The longer this thread goes on the more I feel that FR has leftist moles posing as being libertarians.

151 posted on 02/13/2013 5:45:22 PM PST by drpix
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To: plain talk

There is no specific law to which I refer. It may be rooted in Common Law, but there is no case law that says the police can only defend themselves with guns. As for executions, yes that has been ruled on numerous times by the supreme court, but it’s also a completely different scenario. Self defense versus a contemplated execution by the State, in which the duty of the State is to not inflict unnecessary suffering. That logic has never applied to any self defense scenario.


152 posted on 02/13/2013 5:46:37 PM PST by cbvanb
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To: drpix
It is the cops' and every other patriotic American's duty to kill the SOB.

You have no idea what "American" means. And this one sentence of yours proves your every reference to leftist organizations nothing but rhetorical camouflage.

153 posted on 02/13/2013 5:48:10 PM PST by papertyger
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To: drpix
You're confused.

Look in the mirror, I support the Constitution here, not emotional trades over un proven accusations.

Look, the man was probably a nut, he deserved to be taken down if what he is accused of is true, but this is a dangerous precedent. We have courts to decide who is guilty and who is not, not the media.

I suspect, in a few days, months, some other villain will appear and it will be deemed necessary that he be taken out by an armed drone. I see a very precarious slope here and what worse is I see support of it here when the prpopler emotions can be riled up.

Not good IMO, call me paranoid if you wish but before you do, consider who and what we have as a POTUS.

154 posted on 02/13/2013 5:48:41 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: RummyChick
...they are not 100% sure it is Dorner.

Which is another reason you don't go Fahrenheit 451 when attempting to capture someone if you're an officer of the law.

155 posted on 02/13/2013 5:50:40 PM PST by 444Flyer (Obama killed the Twinkie, but not the Terrorists in Benghazi. What's wrong with this picture?)
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To: familyop

I think the issue of using handloads in self defense comes from civil case law, not the police, specifically. In other words, an attorney will find some way of attacking your actions, no matter what they were. They also do that to the police, but that is a very different matter from what I stated. There is no case law, or statute of which I am aware that says the only allowable means of self defense is a gun, or any other specific means. One is entitled to use whatever means are available when faced with a deadly threat.


156 posted on 02/13/2013 5:53:31 PM PST by cbvanb
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To: cbvanb
But I defy anyone to defend anything this guy did, morally or legally.

Say, I know this is off topic a bit on this thread, but since you're an ex-badge, do you hold your brethren who fired on innocents to the same standard?

Just askin....

157 posted on 02/13/2013 5:55:15 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Got to go children... the real world calls. No more time to reply the sophomoric or transparent agitprop posts that have taken over this thread. Let what I've already posted serve to expose all to FReepers that may read this thread
158 posted on 02/13/2013 5:55:31 PM PST by drpix
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To: drpix
The longer this thread goes on the more I feel that FR has leftist moles posing as being libertarians.

It's a conspiracy, I tell ya!

I hear tin foil is effective for blocking our brain rays.

159 posted on 02/13/2013 5:56:40 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Argus
They DID burn innocent folks’ property. That wasn’t the perp’s cabin. The cops willfully destroyed the property of some law-abiding citizen.

So glad to see someone mention this fact. What if this had been someone's home, and they were out to work and school when the wanted man decides to hole up there?
160 posted on 02/13/2013 5:57:24 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: familyop

I can’t argue with that, either. And I don’t argue that the authorities had only one choice in the situation with Dorner, merely that it was certainly a deadly force situation, and given the previous actions of the suspect, any manner of deadly force would be considered legal. But as a public relations issue, they certainly didn’t take the high road, and are going to spend considerable time defending their actions. I think there were other ways the barricaded suspect could have been handled, and in the end a civil court may agree with that assessment.


161 posted on 02/13/2013 5:58:38 PM PST by cbvanb
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To: eddie willers

Who said anything about being anti-police? I’m glad the guy was offed, but he was murdered.

Would you expect the cops to do the same if some people you worked with were the victims? Nope. that would not happen. I get really ticked that cops act like they are more special than civilians. That doesn’t mean I’m “anti-police” either.


162 posted on 02/13/2013 6:01:51 PM PST by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yes I do. As a former firearms instructor I am well aware of the training police officers receive, and I am offended by the actions of some officers today.


163 posted on 02/13/2013 6:01:51 PM PST by cbvanb
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To: papertyger
I hear tin foil is effective for blocking our brain rays.

So, apparently, does sticking their...

164 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:09 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: cbvanb

I’m not a lawyer, either, but agreed on statutory law. The neglects of public affairs considerations are mounting up, though—not only in police agencies but also in other government offices, branches, business, etc. Each of us should try to be impeccable. Leaders and public servants, more so.

Oh, well. It’s a young man’s game—a game that I was involved in for a very short time, long ago, and left behind. I’ll read about the excitement and adventure from my little peaceful place.


165 posted on 02/13/2013 6:07:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: drpix
Let what I've already posted serve to expose all to FReepers that may read this thread No arguments here, you've done a great job.

Make sure you wipe the boot polish off your chin before you hit the sheets, your wife might get mad.

166 posted on 02/13/2013 6:14:47 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Repeat Offender
Burner is cop speak for M-651 CS Gas grenade. They call them burners because they burn white hot for about 30 seconds and will light anything flammable on fire. Sounds like they put 7 of these through the windows.

Feds only deployed 2 in Waco.

167 posted on 02/13/2013 6:22:10 PM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: cbvanb

Thanks for your honest reply, I’m happy to hear you feel that way.


168 posted on 02/13/2013 6:23:04 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: eddie willers

No it doesn’t. I said the remains are Dorner. However, it is the PD that is saying they still have not confirmed it is......which poses the question if they can’t confirm it why were they shooting up and torching an individual if they couldn’t confirm he was their suspect?


169 posted on 02/13/2013 6:26:14 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No arguments here, you've done a great job.

Ain't THAT the truth.

There is little more ironic than an idiot that denies the charge of being a "perfectionist," by insisting he "just wants it done 'right.'"

170 posted on 02/13/2013 6:31:44 PM PST by papertyger
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To: driftdiver
He was an ex naval officer and an ex-LAPD cop. Sad to see so many ‘conservatives’ celebrating how the LAPD handled this entire situation. Heck we don’t need to worry about the leftists, the so called conservatives will glady welcome in the police state.

what complete BS. He was evil and a murderer that totally got what he deserved, a conservative principal. You spew left wing BS.

171 posted on 02/13/2013 6:40:03 PM PST by bfree (Biden '13)
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To: LostInBayport
What if this had been someone's home, and they were out to work and school when the wanted man decides to hole up there?

Insurance will pay for it.

Anyway what would you rather lose to take this perp down -- a cabin in the woods or another's officer's life???

172 posted on 02/13/2013 6:54:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Repeat Offender
which poses the question if they can’t confirm it why were they shooting up and torching an individual if they couldn’t confirm he was their suspect?

Because the individual had stolen two trucks at gunpoint, ambushed two officers, killing one, and was firing hundreds of rounds at them.

And they torched the building not him. He chose to remain in the burning building when he could have come out with his hands up.

"Burn this mother++++++ down" refers to the building that he is hiding in -- not him.

173 posted on 02/13/2013 7:04:14 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

How many hostages were in the building when they torched it?


174 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:56 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

I’m sure that department was equipped with thermal imaging devices to determine if there was more than one person in the building. It would be easy to determine.


175 posted on 02/13/2013 7:16:46 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Sacajaweau

The people at Waco had done no clear wrong, at most paperwork violations.

Nobody doubts this guy killed innocents and cops to no good reason, and was capable of, and intent on, killing even more while being “waited out”.


176 posted on 02/13/2013 7:22:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Venturer
He could have come out on his belly with his hands behind him.

Yes. Peasants must crawl before the faces of the King's men...

177 posted on 02/13/2013 7:23:52 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: drpix
drpix wrote: You argue like a real leftist - you change the subject or case every time your arguement on the original subject or case colapses. Arr you sure your a libertaian and not a leftist?

I'll let you argue with yourself:

drpix wrote: This thread is about the cops at Dorner's cabin holdout. It's not about the cops who shot the 2 women.

Notice how you change the subject "every time your arguement on the original subject or case colapses".

The subject is the police hosing down everything in sight with lead and fire...

178 posted on 02/13/2013 7:31:01 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Greysard
Here is a valid question then. If a cop stops you in the street, draws his weapon and points at your head, do you have a legal right to do the same to defend yourself?

The problem that the conservative Statists refuse to acknowledge is that the state wardens are EVERYWHERE.

You used to be able to escape their reach in the beginning of the Republic. Now, they pursue you to the death like the very Furies, anywhere in the land. There are no sanctuaries any more.

And the conservative Statists cheer on...

179 posted on 02/13/2013 7:37:47 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Repeat Offender
Video at link

What is an "unconfirmed video"?

Isn't a "burner" a tear gas canister?

180 posted on 02/13/2013 7:39:27 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Repeat Offender
What’s funny, not funny ha-ha, but funny, pathetic and sad is the fact that some of the posters celebrating the trampling of the 5th amendment are outraged the government is wanting to trample the 2nd amendment.

The man was denied due process.

Like another poster said, from my cold, charred fingers.

181 posted on 02/13/2013 7:47:54 PM PST by conecrusher (The cult of tolerance has destroyed this country)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

“They saved California tax-payers Millions of dollars “

Maybe not. If he was executed by fire then his family has untold riches coming.


182 posted on 02/13/2013 7:50:38 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

>> I no longer wonder how the inhumane tragedies of history happened.

A sad revelation for me as well.


183 posted on 02/13/2013 7:52:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
willing some are here to negate the rights of others

Whose rights were being negated in this incident?

184 posted on 02/13/2013 7:55:40 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: conecrusher
The man was denied due process.

He was NOT denied, he refused to participate. Big difference.

185 posted on 02/13/2013 7:58:54 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: drpix
The longer this thread goes on the more I feel that FR has leftist moles posing as being libertarians.

Drat! I've evaded the Viking Kitties with ease for over 10 years on Free Republic, but now I've been outed by drpix in one evening...

186 posted on 02/13/2013 8:00:05 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: drpix

>> Looks like some anti-cop “libertarians” on FR are revealing themselves to be comrades of the leftwing want-to-be revolutionaries that are targets rather than posters on FR.

An argument you’re making in defense of sentencing the suspect?


187 posted on 02/13/2013 8:02:38 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: driftdiver

So you’re happy to make a judgment based on a report of a report of the media? Seriously?


188 posted on 02/13/2013 8:06:50 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Alaska Wolf

>> He was NOT denied, he refused to participate

I partially agree with that statement.

I just read an article indicating the burn was intentional. If it’s true, then the question of vigilante justice must be addressed apart from, but not indifferent to, the legitimate concern of the LEOs’ safety.


189 posted on 02/13/2013 8:15:22 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric
The bottom line is that since the militarized police forces seem to have all these armored vehicles, they could go a step further and build up a mobile convoy of armored shipping containers.

Put them in place around the suspect's location, and wait them out.

That is, if they're not really interested in murdering them....

190 posted on 02/13/2013 8:22:56 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Or an electric fence.


191 posted on 02/13/2013 8:26:28 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric
I just read an article indicating the burn was intentional.

Where?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-incendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html

CS gas canisters are often referred to as "burners".

192 posted on 02/13/2013 8:34:37 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

This one, but I’m not convinced the reports accurately reflect the actual events. I’m not in a rush to judge.

>> CS gas canisters are often referred to as “burners”.

Good to know.


193 posted on 02/13/2013 8:49:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric
This one, but I’m not convinced the reports accurately reflect the actual events.

You mean this? "Multiple unconfirmed audio clips appear to show police officers talking about burning down the cabin in which the alleged cop-killer was hiding."

Few initial reports are accurate or factual. What we do know is that the fugitive refused to peacefully surrender.

Can anyone explain what an "unconfirmed audio clip" is?

194 posted on 02/13/2013 8:58:36 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Repeat Offender

“”Seven burners deployed and we have a fire,” says the first voice.

“Copy. Seven burners deployed and we have a fire,” responds a female voice.

‘Burners’ is SoCal cop slang for tear gas canisters. They were talking about the tear gas they were pumping into the house.


195 posted on 02/13/2013 9:19:57 PM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio. for Amnesty, Spanish, and Karl Rove.)
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To: EDINVA

You mean am I willing to make a judgement call after hearing police transmissions played on tv?

Yes

You seem willing to allow govt officials to shoot and kill at their whim without question.


196 posted on 02/13/2013 9:25:24 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Actually, I’m willing to wait until the proverbial - and actual - smoke has cleared instead of jumping to conclusions based on incomplete or improperly presented information.

You are familiar with selective media editing of tapes and photographs, as in the Zimmerman case, right? You heard that recording of Zimmerman and the police dispatcher as presented on TV, didn’t you? And, of course, you knew it was accurate because it was a police dispatcher. Oh, wait... there were parts left out, weren’t there? Oh, yeah, then there were photographs that weren’t shown. And contrived witnesses. All served to stir up the mobs, the undereducated, gullible mobs.

You might want to reconsider how you make your judgments.


197 posted on 02/13/2013 9:49:03 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Repeat Offender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_sY2rjxq6M
I couldn’t resist


198 posted on 02/13/2013 11:27:28 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: EDINVA

In other words gice the cops time to fix the evidence. Well be lucky if there arent riots out of this.


199 posted on 02/14/2013 2:33:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EDINVA

Yet another case of you guys preaching due process to protect cops who have denied due process to others.


200 posted on 02/14/2013 2:35:07 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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