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Police Appeared To Shout 'Burn This Mother' Down Before Fire Engulfed Rogue Ex-Cop's Cabin
Business Insider Military & Defense ^ | 13 Feb 13 | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 02/13/2013 3:00:36 PM PST by Repeat Offender

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To: Alaska Wolf
Don’t choke on the crow, hotshot! LOL!

You're kidding, right? You give yourself a high five for the ability to cut and paste a tangentially related article on deadly force from the online free legal dictionary like you're the second coming of Blackwell?

I have a four year old to deal with right now. I'll be back to eviscerate your "football bat" reasoning when time and obligation permit.

301 posted on 02/16/2013 5:16:21 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
tangentially related article

We've already established the fact that you aren't very bright. There is no need to reinforce the fact.

I have a four year old to deal with right now

I'm positive you could learn plenty from a four year old, hotshot! LOL!

302 posted on 02/16/2013 5:20:55 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: hunosehu

N00b, if you’re too stupid to see the tactical differences between the two cases, it’s not my fault, nor is it my burden to educate you.


303 posted on 02/16/2013 5:26:13 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Have at it, hotshot! When police officers are arresting someone for a felony, the courts have given them a little more leeway. The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest.
304 posted on 02/16/2013 5:26:25 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger

IMO, arguing with a person who endorses arson as a law enforcement tool is just a form of sticking your neck out. Just be grateful to learn that the cops view arson as a legitimate form of deadly force against civilians.


305 posted on 02/16/2013 5:28:03 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
a person who endorses arson as a law enforcement tool

Who might that be, criminal apologist?

306 posted on 02/16/2013 5:29:37 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

You, adolescent name caller.


307 posted on 02/16/2013 5:32:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
you

You can post quotes that I've made to corroborate your allegation that I support arson as a law enforcement tool? Or are you going to slink off like a cowardly, lying criminal apologist POS?

I despise LIARS!

308 posted on 02/16/2013 5:39:30 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I really don’t care what your opinion of me is, and I’m sure the sentiment is mutual.


309 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:34 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I really don’t care what your opinion of me

It's not an opinion it is a fact. You are a despicable,bald-faced liar.

310 posted on 02/16/2013 5:51:15 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
-- It's not an opinion it is a fact. You are a despicable,bald-faced liar. --

That doesn't even hold a candle to this post to me ...

Like I said, I don't care what you say, what you think, etc. I don't find your remarks to be persuasive, and IMO, you are damaging to the very cause you think you are supporting. You come off as a hot head, action before thought.
311 posted on 02/16/2013 5:58:46 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I don't care what you say, what you think,

We've already established the fact that you are a despicable, bald-faced liar. Now you apparently are going for lowlife sum of the earth.

You come off as a hot head

I despise LIARS and false accusers. You're too cowardly to admit that you lied. You disgust me.

312 posted on 02/16/2013 6:10:12 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
-- You disgust me. --

FWIW, the feeling is mutual. We both think of the other as cowardly, low life and a liar. Neither of us is going to admit the other is right, so we are at a stand off.

What are you going to do now? Come and burn me out? LOL. Carry on, hot shot.

313 posted on 02/16/2013 6:14:28 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
We both think of the other as cowardly, low life and a liar.

You are in fact.

314 posted on 02/16/2013 6:19:58 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Cboldt
Just be grateful to learn that the cops view arson as a legitimate form of deadly force against civilians.

That plus shooting 30x? at a 'suspect (different color) truck' and we are to believe a cop didn't kick a homeless man?

315 posted on 02/16/2013 6:28:54 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Alaska Wolf
I despise LIARS and false accusers.

Now that can't be right. You plagiarized the article on "deadly force" from an online legal dictionary. That makes you a "liar" and thief by definition.

I'll let you in on a little secret....want to know how I knew you'd stolen that quote from an online source so quickly?

You're not smart enough to come up with it on your own, and you don't know what it means, anyway.

"Greater leeway" does not mean "carte blanche," genius.

I know I won't be changing your mind here, but I've always believed "stupid should hurt," so I'm just going to enjoy myself by knocking the crap out of your puerile excuses even if your aren't smart enough to recognize when you've been totally outclassed.

316 posted on 02/16/2013 6:29:30 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
You plagiarized

No liar, I didn't claim it was mine. You criminal apologists are so desperate and pathetic.

317 posted on 02/16/2013 6:34:26 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger
When police officers are arresting someone for a felony, the courts have given them a little more leeway. The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest.

What exactly is it that you don't understand about, "The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest", hotshot?

318 posted on 02/16/2013 6:39:17 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
No liar, I didn't claim it was mine.

Yes you did, moron. Unless you give attribution to the original source, you are, in fact, claiming it as your own.

That you don't know that is even further proof you need to leave discussions of public policy to the grown-ups.

319 posted on 02/16/2013 6:39:29 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Yes you did,

Why do you find it necessary to lie? Do you enjoy being humiliated, hotshot?

320 posted on 02/16/2013 6:42:20 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
What exactly is it that you don't understand about, "The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest", hotshot?

What is it that you don't understand an article from an online dictionary is neither a statute, nor a statement of policy?

You're as pitiful as a schoolboy that screams "you can't do math with letters" because he is ignorant of Algebra.

321 posted on 02/16/2013 6:42:50 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
Why do you find it necessary to lie? Do you enjoy being humiliated, hotshot?

You think I could learn something from my four year old?

At least she has the excuse of being four when she hides behind her hands and shouts "YOU CAN'T SEE ME."

322 posted on 02/16/2013 6:46:05 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
an article from an online dictionary is neither a statute, nor a statement of policy

It's from a legal dictionary, dimwit! It is indeed policy and it has been upheld in the USSC! LOLAY!

Read it and weep, hotshot! http://what-when-how.com/police-science/deadly-force-police/

"deadly force is appropriate if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses significant threat of death or serious physical injury to officers or others. In addition, the severity of the crime, uncertain conditions or rapidly evolving circumstances, and a suspect actively resisting arrest may enter into the ”objective reasonableness” standard. In other words, the Court views the situation from the officer’s perspective, evaluating the objective reasonableness of the officer’s response to the unfolding events."

Your 4 year old has to be more intelligent than you, hotshot. LOL!

323 posted on 02/16/2013 6:58:45 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger
At least she has the excuse of being four

What's your excuse, hotshot?

324 posted on 02/16/2013 7:12:53 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
It's from a legal dictionary, dimwit! It is indeed policy and it has been upheld in the USSC! LOLAY! Read it and weep, hotshot! http:// what-when-how.com/police- science/deadly-force-police/

I understand, as a functional illiterate, you have a tough time distinguishing between "deadly force" (something no one here is challenging) and "justified" immolation, but trust me...those who don't consider your GED an "education" can tell the difference.

325 posted on 02/16/2013 7:22:38 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
"justified" immolation

Where is your proof that Dorner was alive and the authorities intentionally set fire to the building for the purpose of burning him alive, hotshot?

If you don't have it, quit wasting everyone's time and let your four year old educate you.

326 posted on 02/16/2013 7:35:12 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: papertyger
I understand, as a functional illiterate

I feel sorry for your four year old.

327 posted on 02/16/2013 7:37:01 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Where is your proof that Dorner was alive and the authorities intentionally set fire to the building for the purpose of burning him alive, hotshot?

I thought you were saying Dorner was actively shooting at LEOs when they burned him?

Which is it?

That swirling sound you hear is any pretense of your "justification" circling the drain.

328 posted on 02/16/2013 7:49:36 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Alaska Wolf
I feel sorry for your four year old.

I feel sorry for your victims.

329 posted on 02/16/2013 7:52:44 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
I thought you were saying Dorner was actively shooting at LEOs when they burned him?

No emoter, you are fantasizing.

That swirling sound you hear

I don't hear anything but the music emanating from my speakers, hotshot.

Are you now in mourning for Dorner?

331 posted on 02/16/2013 1:58:55 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Greysard; papertyger
It takes a fool or a propagandist to say that someone shooting at any American - in uniform or not - is protected by the 5th Amendment from that American shooting or torching his ass in self-defense.

Either way, why don't you go and find a 2nd Amendment protected and observant American and take a shot at him/her to test your theory... I'm fed up with hearing your #$%@ing shit!

332 posted on 02/16/2013 3:14:03 PM PST by drpix
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To: papertyger

Don’t feed the trolls.


333 posted on 02/16/2013 3:50:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: drpix; papertyger

“Either way, why don’t you go and find a 2nd Amendment protected and observant American and take a shot at him/her to test your theory... I’m fed up with hearing your #$%@ing shit! “

Would that be the LAPD who has a long history of illegally confiscating firearms and ignoring court orders to return them?

At least thats according to the NRA and public record.


334 posted on 02/16/2013 3:53:38 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
What confused dribble!

The article clearly states the "San Bernardino Sheriff's Office, the organization with jurisdiction over the scene". Yet you bring up the LAPD to make yet another disconnected and baseless reply. Make your foolish arguements to somewhere else, I won't waste anymore of my time with them.

335 posted on 02/16/2013 5:16:42 PM PST by drpix
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To: drpix

Oh shut up dufus. The SBPD didn’t shoot those women.

A LAPD swat team was at the cabin.


336 posted on 02/16/2013 5:22:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
No emoter, you are fantasizing.

You said, and I quote "The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you? " at least three times on this thread.

Apparently your warming up to "liars" with stunning alacrity.

337 posted on 02/17/2013 1:16:22 AM PST by papertyger
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To: hunosehu
It seems, by your example, that the proper etiquette when dealing with a post with which you disagree is to immediately drop to the gutter and throw insults...am I right?

It is when that FNG makes utterly asinine statements, like comparing the circumstances of the Larry Davis case to what was thrown at Dorner.

Dorner had substantially more than a dozen and a half cops surrounding him, he was in a rural, as opposed to urban, environment, and there was no one that could have been construed as a hostage behind his barricade.

So "welcome" to FR. Continue as you have, and your stay here will be short.

338 posted on 02/17/2013 1:27:47 AM PST by papertyger
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To: drpix
It takes a fool or a propagandist to say that someone shooting at any American - in uniform or not - is protected by the 5th Amendment from that American shooting or torching his ass in self-defense.

Rather, it takes a shameless cop-sucker, or an unrepentant brown-shirt, to believe immolation is a legitimate tool of the state's police powers.

339 posted on 02/17/2013 1:33:44 AM PST by papertyger
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To: driftdiver
Looks like some people don't care how many times they make themselves look like blubbering fools or how many people see them do it. But, how much of my time should I waste helping them prove it again and again?

Well only one more time and just to clear the record on your LAPD burning your hero dribble/fantasy/lie:

"San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Wednesday that his deputies shot pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, and it erupted in flames." (sfgate.com)

340 posted on 02/17/2013 4:37:44 AM PST by drpix
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To: drpix

You’re right, you are a fool and you should stop.

The tactics used by the police from the beginning of this effort were questionable and put numerous additional lives at risk. The lives of innocents.


341 posted on 02/17/2013 4:46:16 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: hunosehu

Please tell me, at what point in your questionable grasp of the relevant details does one earn the right to be provoked?

It’s all very well and good to be polite, but do you really expect to be treated as a good faith participant in this thread went you attempt to draw parallels such as you have?


343 posted on 02/17/2013 6:03:28 AM PST by papertyger
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To: drpix

Was an LAPD SWAT team on site at the cabin?

Yes or no?


344 posted on 02/17/2013 6:07:43 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
You said, and I quote "The use of deadly force by police is justified when they are under fire. You do know that, don't you? " at least three times on this thread.

You do know that he had already killed and wounded police officers, don't you? So intent to kill on his part is clear to anyone with an IQ. Are you saying that he hadn't killed and engaged in a gunfight with authorities?

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cjs04.htm

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that reasonableness under the fourth amendment does not require police officers to choose the least intrusive alternative, only a reasonable one. Following that principle, most courts have rejected arguments that the use of deadly force was not necessary because officers had less intrusive options available or it was made necessary by the actions of the officers themselves.

346 posted on 02/17/2013 8:39:01 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Repeat Offender

Surprised they were taken off of speed trap duty. Must have wanted to try some new toys out.


347 posted on 02/17/2013 8:41:47 AM PST by Diggity
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To: papertyger; driftdiver
Your brain-dead dribble can only pass for rational arguement with your retarded comrades and brothers.

Go play some video games with the $cumßags:


348 posted on 02/17/2013 2:50:42 PM PST by drpix
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To: drpix

You keep saying I support what he did and yet I have never said that. Instead I have condemned his actions. I have also questioned the police tactics since they injured and endangered numerous innocents.

You are a liar and continue to use these lies when you know its false. That is something the leftists liars do.

You aren’t worth any more time.


349 posted on 02/17/2013 3:04:24 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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