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...new pictures reveal ferocity of cabin shoot-out
The Daily Mail Online ^ | February 14, 2013 | THOMAS DURANTE, MICHAEL ZENNIE and LYDIA WARREN

Posted on 02/14/2013 5:47:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip

The husband and wife who say they surprised Christopher Dorner in their home, hours before he was killed in a dramatic standoff, described their terror as he bound their hands and feet. Jim and Karen Reynolds say they came to the home just before noon on Tuesday to find the fugitive had been staying in an upstairs room.

Mrs Reynolds said that Dorner seemed 'calm and methodical' when he approached them, but her first instinct when she saw him was to run away - and Dorner chased after her.

She tried to run up the stairs but was quickly caught by Dorner, who dragged her away.

Mr Reynolds said that after first trying to keep them calm, Dorner tied up their hands and feet with zip ties before stuffing washcloths in their mouths.

He then covered their faces with pillowcases and wrapped electrical cords around their heads.

'I really thought it could be the end,' she told reporters on Wednesday night.

The Reynolds said that despite early reports, it was them - and not their housekeepers - who had encountered Dorner in the home.

They said that he tried to keep them calm and told them repeatedly that he was not going to kill them. Mr Reynolds, who has been married to Karen for 36 years, added: 'He said he just wanted to clear his name.'

Mrs Reynolds added: 'He said he needed transportation out of big bear. He continued to say to us quite frequently he would not kill us and just asked us to do what he asked.

'He knelt down beside me and said "you're going to be quiet, right?"'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Stupid” = “Quadruple Killer?”

OK, Dorner was stupid, stupid, stupid and stupid.


51 posted on 02/14/2013 7:32:24 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: skeeter

An M-14 is not a semi-automatic weapon. Is has full auto capacity. If it was in fact a “battle rifle” the article is inaccurate on that point. However, it was not referred to as a assault rifle which a M-14 is.


52 posted on 02/14/2013 7:32:43 AM PST by em2vn
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To: TomGuy

I read his manifesto.
Quite a bit of mind sominex in there.
But rather revealing.


53 posted on 02/14/2013 7:32:55 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

LOL, no.

When it was Dorner vs LAPD it was badguy on badguy violence.
LAPD showed they were incapable of finding, containing, or stopping him.
Heck, he’d probably still be alive if he had stayed in LA proper.


54 posted on 02/14/2013 7:34:50 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Cyber Liberty
OK, Dorner was stupid, stupid, stupid and stupid.

Yes, Dorner was stupid, not everyone else unless they do, say or write something stupid.

55 posted on 02/14/2013 7:34:50 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: ops33

The Brits have been known to evacuate a whole city block because somebody found a live round...of 22LR.


56 posted on 02/14/2013 7:35:49 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Darksheare; dirtboy
It seems to me that the same people who are so upset with the details of his final demise are the same people who all week were claiming that he was long gone from Big Bear, had eluded LE, and were laughing at his outwitting of them.

Now they're not laughing. They're whining.

57 posted on 02/14/2013 7:39:36 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Fair enough. Darks was just pointing out that murdering four people (one of whom was not a cop) is a pretty stupid way to “clear your name.” It’s a bit of a Duh.


58 posted on 02/14/2013 7:40:35 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Uncle Chip

He was 6’2” and weighted 270 pounds. I think PEDs may have been part of his daily routine. Didn’t anyone in LAPD take notice of


59 posted on 02/14/2013 7:41:02 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Uncle Chip

Yeah.
And there are people insisting that stating truthfully that there are people whining over Dorner are conflating things.
No, there really are people whining over Dorner.

I was tempted to post a thread “Before you cry in your beer over Dorner, consider what the law says about the authorization of deadly force and when it is authorized.”

It is authorized for use when someone is fleeing a rape, murder etc.
Also authorized when someone is shooting at you but let’s not get real picky.


60 posted on 02/14/2013 7:43:21 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
Funny, stating the obvious flat truth is an acid comment.

An older, wiser man once told me, "Just because something's true doesn't always mean it needs to be said."

I am through with this conversation because instead of getting it, you're raising the rhetoric level which will not have a positive outcome. This conversation is over.

61 posted on 02/14/2013 7:45:57 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Lies of omission are still lies.


62 posted on 02/14/2013 7:50:22 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
Read his manifesto.

I did.

The lady he shot was the daughter of one of the officers he had a problem with.

I know that. My question concerned your saying he called the father and taunted him. Where did that originate?

63 posted on 02/14/2013 7:55:31 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Uncle Chip
Random thoughts on the case: Dorner--and I think it's essential to refer to the origin-- was axed (by which I don't mean was posed an interrogative) because he was found to be lying about a fellow officer. This evidenced his manipulative nature, which we see again and again as we become familiar with him.

Posting his manifesto on foolbook showed manipulation where he pleads for sympathy and successfully draws in leftists media allies. All he need do was use the right code words and throw a few leftists love darts. Nothing fancy.

He specifically wanted them on his side and to disseminate what he imagined to be his just cause. And they played right along, showing themselves to be tools, as if there were remaining doubt. But the extent of their sympathy and credence given to his claims of discrimination was astonishing even to me. They were seemingly purchased at face value while implicitly avoiding any possibility that his case was handled properly; that he was in fact dishonest. And perhaps dismissed because he was also suspected of being a dangerous lunatic, though that's is pure conjecture.

They did so naively? The larger purpose of advancing pillars of social justice and to hell with the innocent victims? What does either say about these vermin? My take can't be posted.

Dorner was 6ft and 270lbs. I'm the same height with an athletic build and I weigh 188lbs. Look at the shots of Rambro's physique. The guy was clearly on steroids, and psychopaths and roids are a nasty combo.

64 posted on 02/14/2013 7:59:09 AM PST by Dysart
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To: lacrew

Like I stated, all of those bullets, I would have been more firghtened of the cowboys firing at something they did not see than of Dorner.

I suppose we can thank God that cabin was big enough that most of them could hit it, and not their fellow officers on the other side.


65 posted on 02/14/2013 7:59:29 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Darksheare
When it was Dorner vs LAPD it was badguy on badguy violence.

As the newspaper ladies and surfer learned it was badguy on innocent citizen violence, too. The LAPD doesn't care who they hurt.

LAPD showed they were incapable of finding, containing, or stopping him.

The people who lived 4 doors up from the cabin where he was staying which was across the street from the media briefing center in Big Bear said that no one ever came to search their cabin.

Not the San Bernardino County Sheriffs, Riverside Sheriffs, or FBI. No one. So, none of these are any better at searching for a fugitive than the LAPD.

66 posted on 02/14/2013 8:04:19 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: em2vn

Except for the select fire part their description is accurate.


67 posted on 02/14/2013 8:04:54 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Darksheare
It is authorized for use when someone is fleeing a rape, murder etc.

Is it authorized for people delivering newspapers?

How about surfers on their way to the beach?

I suspect the LAPD be as dismissive with these cops actions as you have been.

68 posted on 02/14/2013 8:07:30 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-search-resumes-lapd-officer/story?id=18444041

He called Randall Quan after gunning down his daughter and taunted him.
Real nice.
Fully in keeping with what he had in his manifesto.
And since he did insist he was going to die, we’ll never get the story from him, only his manifesto where he says flat out that he was going after families of those he viewed as wronging him.


69 posted on 02/14/2013 8:07:44 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

LAPD vs Dorner was badguy on badguy violence.

Except for the couple Dorner murdered, they had little to do with the “beef” dorner had with the LAPD other than Randall Quan was the father of the girl.

Dismissive?
No.
But Dorner wasn’t murdered, he was actively shooting at Sherrifs Deputies and got himself stuck ina spot he couldn’t get out of.

The actions of the Torrence cops shooting up a BLUE TOYOTA TACOMA and the LAPD in ramming a BLACK HONDA RIDGELINE that looks nothing like a GREY NISSAN TITAN and shooting at the OBVIOUSLY NOT DORNER WHITE GUY after visually confirming he wasn’t Dorner are actions that warrant extreme brutal and with malice aforethought scrutiny.

There were no heroes in this one.


70 posted on 02/14/2013 8:15:17 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
He called Randall Quan after gunning down his daughter and taunted him.

Personally, I view anything coming from the LAPD with a grain of salt. As you say, they're the bad guys.

71 posted on 02/14/2013 8:16:34 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

he killed the daughter and fiance (?) of the man who tried to help him. How there is anything just in that, I’ll never know.


72 posted on 02/14/2013 8:18:01 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Darksheare
There were no heroes in this one.

On this, we agree and there's no reason to cheer over anyone's death.

73 posted on 02/14/2013 8:20:39 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Who’s cheering?
My problem is with tose who are whining over his death as if he is some kind of martyr.
Yes, tehre are those.
Heck, there wass someone the other day denying that Dorner was a lefty and that leftists loved the guy.
*shrugs*

We should learn from his actions at least and keep it in mind for “If the stuff hits the fan”.


74 posted on 02/14/2013 8:22:55 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

Good, balanced, truthful post.


75 posted on 02/14/2013 8:49:49 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Dysart

Maybe we should step back and examine where Doner had cop training. Maybe shooting innocents is taught in LAPD. LAPD acted no differently than Doner. An innocent was shot for an innocent. Two innocent civilians died while two others didn’t.

Just because one cop died in Big Bear doesn’t mean that Doner shot him. We have no proof of that. Just assumptions.

Usually when there is a lynch mob mentality, they are very good at convincing others about the imperfections of their scape goat. We have fallen into that trap and have sided with the PD.

I’m sorry that Doner was killed. Maybe his story should have been heard in a different jurisdiction. LAPD had as much right of taking his life as he did taking the life of others. Those who burned him, should also be burned. They killed one of their own, even if he was an ex cop (because of them)

LAPD has shown that they are just a gang with the legal right to shoot. I don’t know how many cops were at BB, but it seems if 20 cops couldn’t take one guy down, then there’s something wrong with the system or with them. They were scared of Doner and wanted, needed to silence him. They are the ones who made him out to be smarter than he actually was. Then again, maybe he was smarter since they didn’t search the cabins in front of their noses.

What scared me most about this is that they burned down a house not being 100% sure that it was Doner in there or if he was in there. When the interior gun shot was heard, it wasn’t proof that it was Doner.


76 posted on 02/14/2013 8:54:49 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Cyber Liberty

“It’s a bit of a Duh.”

It’s a gigantic DUH. People spouting the patently obvious as if it’s some kind of important revelation can get a little tiresome. The hope is that posters will add something to the conversation, but not everyone can. At least it wasn’t done in all caps.


77 posted on 02/14/2013 10:21:39 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558
At least it wasn’t done in all caps.

Hah! Makes me think of that commercial (I think it's FedEx) with the guy being admonished for using all caps a lot in his emails. "SORRY! MY CAPS-LOCK KEY GETS STUCK! WANNA GET A DRINK LATER?"

78 posted on 02/14/2013 10:32:35 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

“Makes me think of that commercial... with the guy being admonished for using all caps...”

I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS - WATER IS WET!


79 posted on 02/14/2013 10:45:51 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Your caps key is stuck?

*checks remedial action sheets*

Ah, here we go.
Check keyboard for a Fred unit.
Remove Fred unit from keyboard, administer catnip and release Fred unit into other room while quickly closing the door behind him.
Return to regular posting.


80 posted on 02/14/2013 11:09:29 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

Clearing the Fred unit worked. And they say tech support is worthless! (Well, it only is where I work since they outsourced it to India. Why India??? It’s the most difficult accent to understand in the world.)


81 posted on 02/14/2013 11:15:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Darksheare

Sorry that was proved incorrect, call came from Oregon not SoCal. has been reported on local stations.


82 posted on 02/14/2013 12:14:09 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: em2vn; skeeter

When I was in Nam, the Navy M-14 issue was without the selector. Only designated individuals were authorized the SAW - squad automatic weapon (auto selector switch/rod) in the M14E2 configuration. In ‘65 the preferred SAW weapon was the M-60 because the M-14 was susceptible to jamming when it over heated.


83 posted on 02/14/2013 1:02:23 PM PST by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting booths to do it.)
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To: markman46

Okay, that I had not heard.


84 posted on 02/14/2013 4:33:56 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: skeeter

Journalists here are borderline illiterate.
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Borderline??


85 posted on 02/14/2013 4:59:52 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Half black,half white.........SKUNK?........................ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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