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Obama Akin to Nixon, Bush, 'They're War Criminals,' Vents Cornel West (LBJ gets a pass)
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Posted on 02/14/2013 8:35:10 AM PST by chessplayer

That's right -- not just Nixon ... Nixon and Bush. Can vilification from the left get much worse than that?


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1 posted on 02/14/2013 8:35:17 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Nixon hell, Obama has set a whole new standard.

Nixon was a saint in comparison.


2 posted on 02/14/2013 8:39:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: chessplayer
(LBJ gets a pass)
LBJ did more lasting damage to this country and is NEVER held responsible ... just like ... you know who.

3 posted on 02/14/2013 8:48:30 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: cripplecreek

I have never liked or trusted Richard Nixon. However, the extreme damage he did through petty corruption and paranoia was in part offset by the substantial good he did through his capable leadership. With Obama, I have been unable to identify even one substantive positive, and I have tried hard to find anything that was not terrible.


4 posted on 02/14/2013 8:58:00 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: oh8eleven

When LBJ was still in office, he caught hell for the Vietnam War by the left. Nowadays almost all the blame for it is on Nixon.


5 posted on 02/14/2013 8:58:22 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

You can say this about Nixon...he loved his country and didn’t want to see it destroyed. The damage he did via price controls and Watergate (and the EPA) was not done because he wanted to see America “transformed”.


6 posted on 02/14/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: chessplayer

Well, I’ll give Cornell West credit for at least not giving Obama a pass. An awful lot of people on the left (and in black leadership roles) who screamed blue bloody murder about Bush’s policies haven’t made a peep about Obama.


7 posted on 02/14/2013 9:24:19 AM PST by DemforBush (You might very well think that. I could not *possibly* comment.)
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To: chessplayer
Nowadays almost all the blame for it is on Nixon.

You are correct; even though Nixon is the one who ACTUALLY ended America's participation in Vietnam!

Americans have some form of dyslexia when it comes to reading the party-affiliation of actual parties involved: i.e., Republicans ended slavery but HATE minorities, LBJ ESCALATED/Nixon ENDED American involvement in Vietnam but Nixon was the warmonger, Obama has more debt than all other Presidents combined but Bush was the rash, over-spender, etc...

There are many, MANY more examples and it just BAFFLES my mind how abjectly STUPID Americans really can be!
8 posted on 02/14/2013 9:24:36 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: cripplecreek
Nixon, for all his faults, still had sense of decency. I think that's why he was shown the door.

Nixon Tape Discusses Homosexuals at Bohemian Grove

I wonder what Nixon would think of Bath House Barry.

9 posted on 02/14/2013 9:28:53 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: Pollster1
With Obama, I have been unable to identify even one substantive positive, and I have tried hard to find anything that was not terrible.

I can -- he has proved instrumental in unifying, to some degree, his opponents. Granted, he has virtually no opponents in the upper-level federal government and those upper-level people keep in check the mid- and lower-levels, and the corruption of the government greatly facilitates this.

Further, despite it being a bad-thing the unemployment that is forcing people [usually young-ish] to move back with their families could be a very-good-thing. -- It's easier to disconnect the heavy-handed actions of a police-state when it's "just a bad guy" [like, say, Dorner] vs. a no knock raid that breaks grandma's hip and has the children in cuffs for hours. (IOW, the cost of allowing tyranny quickly becomes more real if people see it happening to whole families, especially if they have their own whole-family to worry about.)

10 posted on 02/14/2013 9:29:13 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ExTxMarine

I was watching something a few weeks ago that said that Americans voted for a young and vibrant JFK over Nixon but the funny thing is that they were less than 5 years apart in age.

The media has been playing political games like this for many years.


11 posted on 02/14/2013 9:38:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Pollster1

What capable leadership? Detente? Wage and price controls? “Peace with honor”? Nixon sucked.


12 posted on 02/14/2013 9:43:59 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

You left out going to China.


13 posted on 02/14/2013 9:44:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Tublecane

And Title IX.


14 posted on 02/14/2013 9:45:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: OneWingedShark
Further, despite it being a bad-thing the unemployment that is forcing people [usually young-ish] to move back with their families could be a very-good-thing.

I have my 23 y/o daughter, son-in-law and two of my grand-kids living with me due to Obama's wonderful "recovery," and she is an Obama fan. I also have other family members who are experiencing a family-reconnect due to Obama's economy, so I see what you are saying and agree that it could prove to be a very-good-thing.

Our recent time together - now as adults and not as father/daughter - has really opened her eyes about a great many things. She even admitted that her views and thoughts about who I was and why I was conservative have really changed as she sees that I live the life that I espouse: work hard, take care of your own and get the government out of our business!

I truly never expect her to become as conservative as me, because she relies so heavily on government assistance, and even thinks that it is good because she doesn't have to work full-time. She says that it is a good thing that the government gives out food stamps, day-care, etc... because she can work part-time and spend more time with her kids. Right now, my wife is providing the day-care (spending more time between multiple generations - a GREAT thing) and she is not needing food stamps. She said, "Sure, but I don't want to live here forever." I agreed and told her that she only need stay until they can care for themselves WITHOUT government assistance. But, she is more interested in having her own house and being "on her own" than understanding that she will again become addicted to those subsidies if she leaves too soon.

I explained that this "assistance" is like crack samples the pushers give out - it is only to get you deeper in their grasp. As a side note, my son-in-law has actually started to agree with me - which isn't currently helping their relationship - he says they should stay until they can actually be "on their own," not needing ANYONE'S assistance.
15 posted on 02/14/2013 9:51:50 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Pollster1

Nixon tried to block one little investigation into the burglary of a photo.

No one was killed. The damage done during his Presidency was the return to ascendancy of the left in the Democrat party.

This was the result of cowardice by Republicans in Congress.


16 posted on 02/14/2013 9:57:29 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: chessplayer

As I recall it was Nixon who cleaned up a mess, albeit poorly, that was made by two prior Democrats!


17 posted on 02/14/2013 10:00:48 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Tublecane

For the most part, yes, Nixon was one of the bottom three or four presidents in our history. But in comparison with the current occupant of our White House, I stand by my statement. It would take a miracle for former junior US Senator Obama to deserve a place among our top 40 presidents (or for that matter on a list of all lawful Presidents of the United States). I’m praying that Obama will surprise me and turn out better than James Buchanan.


18 posted on 02/14/2013 10:01:52 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: Pollster1
I’m praying that Obama will surprise me and turn out better than James Buchanan.

At this point, I think that will take a "Dallas" TV-series style "it has all been a bad dream" event to occur! I don't know how you have a mass-illusion of this magnitude - but it currently makes Houdini and Copperfield look like Saturday afternoon birthday party jesters!
19 posted on 02/14/2013 10:10:46 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine
At this point, I think that will take a "Dallas" TV-series style "it has all been a bad dream" event to occur!

I'm thinking more along the lines of the Newhart "What a terrible dream" episode.

20 posted on 02/14/2013 10:13:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ExTxMarine

Well, the Republican party, and Democrats, too, have almost nothing to do with what they were in the 1860s. Seems silly to still be thanking them for emancipation and the 13th amendment. What’s inexplicable is that Pubs get no credit for the civil rights movement, even though it was Dems who dragged their feet until the last minute. LBJ gets credit for swooping in and saving the day, and even Kennedy gets reflected glow, though basically he did nothing. People don’t even remember blacks were Republicans for decades until a trickle during FDR, then the sea change of the 60s, only after civil rights legislation.

I’ve heard it explained in terms of civil rights Pubs being the east coast establishment Rockefeller types we now call RINOs. But what does the average person care about how the party was internally split decades ago? Besides, today’s Pubs are like establishment 60s Pubs on civil rights issues. You may have dissenters like Rand Paul, only he’s a dissenter on a lot of issues. I’ve heard it explained that Goldwater was against the Civil Rights Act and Pubs ran him against LBJ, and his ideological type eventually won out in the Reagan era. But who the heck remembers what Goldwater stood for? Not even Goldwater fans, to a degree.

The real explanation is that after the civil rights acts the South switched to the Republican side, the New Left found a home with Dems, and blacks seemingly permanently settled down in the Dem plantation. Not that the Pub platform changed, but we got the guys who everyone thinks of as racists and they got the guys who constantly play the race card. Simple as that.

As for wars, that’s easy. Up until the New Left Dems were the warmongers of the 20th century. Or rather, progressives of both parties were. Which makes sense, as war is the health of the state and from Wilson on Dems were the relative Big Government party. Then came the hippies, and they made a point of being loudly antiwar. Which didn’t stop them from being violent personally and as a movement, but is something everyone can be expected to remember about them. When they took over the Democrat party prowar “liberals” became Pubs. Unlike Dixiecrats, however, they didn’t change. They changed the Republican party. We call them neocons.

Not that Dems stopped waging wars, as is evident with the Obama administration. Pubs were merely marginally more militaristic. Dems wanted to export the Welfare State and back up the UN with force, and we wanted to be World Police. Not all of us, but enough. So I understand regular people’s confusion over Dems’ mysterious past.

As for who amounted more debt an which party is seen as the reckless spender, that is beyond explanation. I don’t know. Maybe it’s that people’s natural instinct is to think war is the most expensive thing a government can do? Maybe it’s just that in the MSM you constantly hear the phrase “unfunded war” and almost never “unfunded Social Security.” Maybe it’s that people never understood supply side economics, and “tax cuts for the rich” hits home.

One thing I can say for certain is Pubs forever sacrificed their claim to fiscal restraint during term after term of deficits and trying to beat Dems at their own game, even if they’ve never matched debt of Democrat proportions.


21 posted on 02/14/2013 10:16:35 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: ExTxMarine

It would be very cool if a federal court rules that Obama’s recess appointment were unconstitutional and thus all their actions were invalid - and added “by the way, Obama’s alleged inaugurations were also unconstitutional and thus invalid and all his actions and signed bills are also null and void”. I don’t expect it, but a repeal of the spreading socialism and totalitarianism would make me happy for life.


22 posted on 02/14/2013 10:17:48 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: chessplayer
Obama Akin to Nixon, Bush, 'They're War Criminals,' Vents Cornel West

The lefties are still going after Todd Akin? C'mon, the election is over already. War criminal??
Sheesh.

23 posted on 02/14/2013 10:19:45 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

There’s an old book titled something like “It Didn’t Start With Watergate,” and though I don’t like that kind of defense, it’s true. Dems have had scandals to sink ten Pub administrations, especially FDR and LBJ. Only we don’t know about them because no one seems to want to “speak truth to power” to them. Plus, we were stuck with an inconveniently weak one—at least by today’s standards of decency—with Clinton, which reflected poorly back upon Nixon. Even though Clinton’s lying “about sex” was done to weasel out of the sort of civil suit Dems usually care about, while Nixon’s coverup was a burglary in furtherance of an electoral contest that was like the Yankees versus the little league world champs.

Actually, I’m still not sure what Watergate was all about. Not that I believe any conspiracy theory, but I’m open to there having been some ulterior motive.


24 posted on 02/14/2013 10:26:21 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: chessplayer

Both parties let the man who started the Vietnam war slide, both are Orwellian on JFK, but I’m not.


25 posted on 02/14/2013 11:07:35 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Tublecane
blacks were Republicans for decades until a trickle during FDR, then the sea change of the 60s, only after civil rights legislation.

It wasn't a trickle as far as voting, they voted GOP until and including 1932, and then instantly and permanently reversed course in 1936.

It was about a 70% GOP vote in 1932, then about 70% democrat in 1936, and the rest is history.

26 posted on 02/14/2013 11:14:16 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Tublecane
Then came the hippies, and they made a point of being loudly antiwar. Which didn’t stop them from being violent personally and as a movement,

You are confusing societal dropouts, back to the land, live and let live hippies, with left wing activists, yippies, and hard driven college kids who lived for power, activism, and politics, and anything but moving off into the country to live quietly.

27 posted on 02/14/2013 11:17:35 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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To: Tublecane
Then came the hippies, and they made a point of being loudly antiwar.

Antiwar = One who believes we are fighting on the wrong side

28 posted on 02/14/2013 11:20:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ansel12

No I’m not. I’m simply using the word “hippy” to denote the politically significant New Left, which consisted of the activists of whom you speak, plus the older generation who joined in. Which I feel is appropriate usage. Nonpolitical hippies are beside the point.

And, yes, these hippies were “antiwar,” or at least anti-Vietnam. They were also anti-whatever it is neocons are in favor of, which set the stage for Pubs as the war party since Mcgovern. Not to say the New Left were purely antiwar, nor that Dem presidents since then haven’t started or carried on war. Obama, though too young to have been a hippy, is a perfect example of leftist warmongering. And neocons still pretend like he’s “gutting defense” and letting terrorists run wild, or somesuch nonsense.

The major point to remember is that the ascendancy of the New Left in the Democrat party marked the shift in public consciousness of Republicans as the war party, even if leftist activists of the era weren’t the groovy free spirits they were made out to be. Even if not all Pubs were neocons, either, though enough of them were to influence the foreign policy of future Pub president.

I feel the fact that we also called people who dropped out of society to live on pig farms “hippies” is rather a ln unnecessary point to make, and a mere distraction from my larger argument.


29 posted on 02/14/2013 11:49:40 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: dfwgator

You must admit Dems haven’t started wars as big as Pubs since the 70s, and that alone is enough to reward them with the “antiwar” badge in the public’s mind. And even if the wars they start are real wars with real consequences, that hasn’t stopped neocons from pretending like they’re traitorous, malingering peaceniks. They usually jump the gun and accuse the other side of calling them unpatriotic before they get around to it, but that’s not to say our side doesn’t go overboard in giving them antiwar credit they don’t deserve.


30 posted on 02/14/2013 11:57:13 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Seems silly to still be thanking them for emancipation and the 13th amendment.

I only harken back to this because it truly is a significant starting point to things of today. As you stated, "Not that the Pub platform changed, but we got the guys who everyone thinks of as racists and they got the guys who constantly play the race card." The truth has NOTHING to do with the party lines of today - at all!

You mention two very good points that further punctuate my disbelief to the STUPIDITY in America: the 1860's and the Civil Rights Act.

I know this is a point of contention, even here in Freeper land, but the south was fighting for state's rights - what they thought and understood was the right to disband a union that was no longer supporting their rights as a whole - remember, not even 100 years early, these very men fought to through off the shackles of a government that no longer supported or defended them. Let's be honest that the main issue the POLITICAL class was fighting for was the economic fortunes in slavery, but the main reason the general populace was fighting for was the right to self-regulate without Federal intervention. But there were many other, significant issues which caused the people to succeed such as lack of economic support, lack of military support, excessive tariffs, etc...; the south thought that they were making a reasoned stand to limit Federalism and to control their own destiny. Nuanced as that is, if properly taught, Americans could understand the fight, instead it has been sold that the south was mean, they all hated blacks and they wanted to destroy the Union - this is a very broad brush that misses many important facts in its swath!

And Goldwater's resistance to the Civil Right's Act was because he felt that the Act was tantamount to Federal laws regulating morality and that the law, as written, would eliminate the right to free association - both proven and oft exploited unintended consequence. IMHO, today, Goldwater's positions, seem to be more aligned with Libertarians - not that there is anything wrong with that. I will take a Libertarian over anything close to the Democrats and over most of the modern GOP-e. Anyway, my point is that instead of teaching and learning about these nuances and explaining their differences, the actual differences and nuances are quickly, and purposefully, passed over as simply being unimportant or even worse, "not the point." They further nuance the nuances by adding a layer of BS on top of the issues which could and should be discussed.

I agree that neither party of today can honestly hold a candle as a fiscal-beacon. This can be proven by the way both the Dems and the GOP-e are denigrating both Conservatives and TEA Party-types who are actually attempting to right our fiscal ship! But again, as you stated, the Dems are all about turning on the Federal money spigot, the more the better and they always have been. Whereas the Reps have never abdicated for turning the spigot on FULL BLAST! Minor, yet important nuances if one wants to make actual, educated votes and decisions in their lives.

The above is why I used the word STUPID and not IGNORANT to describe America. The truth and knowledge are there for those with an inkling of will to scratch the surface.


31 posted on 02/14/2013 1:39:43 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine
...fought to THROW through off the shackles...
32 posted on 02/14/2013 1:46:07 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Tublecane

Watergate was still in court a couple of years ago. I haven’t been following it lately.

The Dems kept pictures of the “escort girls” they used for big donors at their offices in the Watergate Hotel. Somehow, they acquired an inappropriate picture of one of Nixon’s staff and the staff member wanted it. So he put together a team to steal it back. These were the men who were caught breaking into the hotel.

Eventually the radical left (or as they were known at the time, the new left, including a young lawyer named Hillary Rodham) that ran the Dem party thought they could turn this into something that would give them a political advantage. Nixon could’ve given his staff up and let them take the fall, but it seemed like such a trivial thing he thought he could just stall until it went away.

The Dems broke the impasse by illegally accessing phone records. This eventually led them to enough information to make Congressional Republicans believe that they could be in trouble. So they were willing to give Nixon up and put this behind them, especially after Agnew’s, Tim Geithner-like tax problems.

Not sure what Gerald Ford’s role was, but Ford wanted to be president.

The other “crimes” the Dems were trying to pin on Nixon were nothing that LBJ, Kennedy or Ike didn’t do nearly every day. And they were all Boy Scouts compared to FDR.

Anyhow that’s my take on it.


33 posted on 02/14/2013 4:48:36 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: chessplayer

Nixon was targeting the Khmer Rouge with cross border bombing, Obama targets US citizens. Nixon was correct, Obama not so much.


34 posted on 02/14/2013 4:56:18 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Tublecane

You are confusing yippies and political activists with hippies.

I guess in modern America it just doesn’t matter.

You are crazy if you think that Obama could have ever been a hippie, hippies were drop-outs, they did not become lawyers and professors and bankers and CEOs and Senators and presidents.


35 posted on 02/14/2013 5:54:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is a longtime supporter of homosexualizing the Boy Scouts (and the military).)
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