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Exclusive: North Korea tells China of preparations for fresh nuclear test(2 nukes and 1 rocket)
Reuters ^ | Feb 15, 2013 | Benjamin Kang Lim

Posted on 02/15/2013 6:48:02 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Exclusive: North Korea tells China of preparations for fresh nuclear test

By Benjamin Kang Lim

BEIJING | Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:31am EST

(Reuters) - North Korea has told its key ally, China, that it is prepared to stage one or even two more nuclear tests this year in an effort to force the United States into diplomatic talks with Pyongyang, said a source with direct knowledge of the message.

Further tests could also be accompanied this year by another rocket launch, said the source who has direct access to the top levels of government in both Beijing and Pyongyang.

The isolated regime conducted its third nuclear test on Tuesday, drawing global condemnation and a stern warning from the United States that it was a threat and a provocation.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crapsuey; elbaradeibomb; iaeabomb; iran; korea; mullahbomb; nkorea; northkorea; nucleartest; rocket

1 posted on 02/15/2013 6:48:14 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The US will probably do the “usual drill”. I am sure that will make a big impression on Kim3.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 6:50:11 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


3 posted on 02/15/2013 6:50:28 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The US will probably do the “usual drill”. I am sure that will make a big impression on Kim3.

I have heard that the State Department’s Asia Team has no Korea experts!!!


4 posted on 02/15/2013 6:50:43 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Once again, amature hour is exposed at the Obama White House.

Because of Obama’s stark weakness it won’t be too much longer until some country pushes the envelope and launches some “unexpected” attack somewhere. America’s weakness, as deliberately and starkly portrayed by Obama, unfortunately will likely soon cause much death, destruction and misery.


5 posted on 02/15/2013 6:56:51 AM PST by Obadiah (We must commit to remove every Senate Blue-dog Democrat from office in 2014!)
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To: Obadiah

Benghazi times 1,000?

Would Obama actually pick up a phone at that point?


6 posted on 02/15/2013 7:05:29 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Democrats response is always the same. “Its Bush’s fault”, what make this any different.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 7:11:13 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Democrats response is always the same. “Its Bush’s fault”, what makes this any different.


8 posted on 02/15/2013 7:12:13 AM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There was speculation posted on another thread that this flurry of Nork nuke testing was actually clandestine testing of Iranian weapons.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 7:23:06 AM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What differnece does it make!!!!


10 posted on 02/15/2013 7:29:43 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They certainly could take some of the million tons of nitrate and urea fertilizer South Korea donated to them and blow it up in tunnel.

Ooooooooo! a NUKE! Better surrender!


11 posted on 02/15/2013 7:33:24 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
We and the Japanese could shut down the NK nuclear program overnight.

1. The Japanese announce that in response to NK they will produce nuclear weapons.

2. The Americans announce that #1 is understandable and that they will be fast tracking a Japanese request to purchase plans for light weight nuclear warheads, the Pershing II missile system, and Tomahawk cruise missiles.

3. Through back channels, the U.S. and Japanese tell the Chinese (and Russians) that they are willing to turn their plans off IF North Korea is dealt with.

Throw the ball to China and they will jerk the leash on NK pronto. They have no desire to have a nuclear armed Japan.

The real decision maker is China. If we are serious about NK then we should look to China's pressure points.

In fact, I would approach the Chinese with an offer to encourage them to invade NK as a humanitarian move. In return, we would agree to not base U.S. forces on unified Korean soil. Let the Chinese occupy NK and try to make some sense of that mess, while keeping the DMZ in place. After a decade or so, the Chinese will be ready to turn the mess over to South Korea.

12 posted on 02/15/2013 7:36:00 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
North Korea has told its key ally, China...

I think that's akin to: "An angry pit bull has told its key ally, owner Steve..."

The pit bull might be marginally less inclined to bite the man who gives it food every day than it is to bite strangers, but the man is always well aware the possibility of being attacked exists.

13 posted on 02/15/2013 7:38:57 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Obama is gonna send Kim a few more modern, “green” nukes with less fallout problems.

In the interest of sustainability and saving us from the climate.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 7:50:41 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: buckalfa

It is safe to say so.


15 posted on 02/15/2013 7:56:17 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m betting that North Korea is working on its nuclear program with the full knowledge and support of China, Russia and Iran.


16 posted on 02/15/2013 8:05:27 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled
Full knowledge of and cooperation with Iran

Condoned by China

Russia doesn't care as long as its nuke is directed elsewhere, except that there would be nuclear accident a la Chernobyl and Fukushima

17 posted on 02/15/2013 8:08:40 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

As long as we continue to Free Trade with Communist China....and rack up trillions in trade deficits.....we have no standing in dealing with North Korea and their main sponsor Commie China. Both nations just laugh at us

We raise tarrifs on the Communist Chinese....and both NK. and Commie China will want to deal. Unfortunately Free Traders and Liberals are our biggest threat to national security


18 posted on 02/15/2013 8:09:38 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If NK wants a nuke so bad, we should be generous and drop a couple on them.

... maybe throw in a fruit basket with a nice note on it too.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 8:14:52 AM PST by Marko413
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m sure it’s being discussed by our CIC on the golf course.


20 posted on 02/15/2013 8:34:24 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: AtlasStalled

N Korea is probably passing information technology to Iran.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 8:36:32 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I concur.

So how does the world let a madman slaughter his own people and threaten everyone with nuclear war?

People are going to die either way and are dying now of starvation and execution. The citizens of the world can resolve this or the madman, or his heirs, will.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 8:41:44 AM PST by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: b4its2late
They have been for a long time.
NK also sent many nuke and missile technicians to Iran. They are going back and forth. Their military cooperation started back in 80’s, which evolved into joint development of missile and nuclear weapon's technology.
23 posted on 02/15/2013 8:41:57 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

24 posted on 02/15/2013 9:29:15 AM PST by devolve ( -------- -- --It is not where Obama was born that is the problem - it is where he*s living now--)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Question: What do you call it when a small nation spends tens of millions of dollars to build nuclear weapons that they don’t need for defense only to detonate them in underground tests in a game of brinksmanship while their economy regresses to the stone age and tens of thousands of their people starve every year?

Answer: Madness.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 9:32:16 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Come on, please please have an atmospheric test....


26 posted on 02/15/2013 10:20:35 AM PST by robertwalker62
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To: SampleMan

None of which would work.


27 posted on 02/15/2013 10:21:29 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
None of which would work.

Because you don't think China has the power over NK, or because you don't think China cares about a nuclear armed Japan?

28 posted on 02/15/2013 10:26:03 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: b4its2late

They are working together on nuke and missile technologies. Probably also the chem/bio weapons.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 10:33:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SampleMan

Because China thinks they are the big kid on the block and won’t respond well to ultimatums from anyone including us. They know our dear leader lacks the stones to do anything.

And no China doesn’t care about a nuclear Japan. NK is building a bomb for America, not for anyone else.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 10:42:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Because China thinks they are the big kid on the block and won’t respond well to ultimatums from anyone including us. They know our dear leader lacks the stones to do anything. And no China doesn’t care about a nuclear Japan. NK is building a bomb for America, not for anyone else.

Forgetting Obama, they would have no other way to respond. "Like it or lump it" being the catch phrase. A big part of their keeping "big kid" status is Japan remaining non-nuclear. I'm quite certain they care about Japan going nuclear.

China has a great deal of influence over NK. While NK is willing to starve millions and is thus resistant to pressure from the outside world, they are not capable of withstand being cut off from China.

China may like to think of itself as immune to pressure, but its not. Japan tying nuclear capability to NK force their hand.

The trick would be getting the Japanese on board to just do it, no threat, no ultimatum, just an announcement that it will happen. Giving China the alternative through backdoor channels would allow them to save face. They would act, then Japan would decide they no longer needed to go nuclear.

China supports NK because it is a convenient proxy to hit our pressure points. The natural answer would be to make NK a bigger pain for China than they are for us.

31 posted on 02/15/2013 10:56:11 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

We’ll have to shoot one of those meteors over North Korea like we did Russia today. That will settle them down...


32 posted on 02/15/2013 11:34:24 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: driftdiver; TigerLikesRooster

Agreed. And our “leader” sit back and twittle their thumbs.


33 posted on 02/15/2013 11:39:06 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Obama will cavalierly, with his hands off leadership approach and hate of America, do as much to protect the American populace in the face of this grave threat, as he will toward one of his own Ambassadors, Chris Stevens in Benghazi. And that is, NOTHING. He will leave countless millions out to dry, who could be evaporated. His lack of inaction, whilst DOD and CIA show the impending threat, could even go so far as to precipitate a US military coup d'etat in my opinion, if they analyzed his lack of action and dedication to being lost for long hours or being on the golf course took precedence over preparing us civil defense wise and full front deployment of US military assets to challenge and bring down Kim Jong Un and his nuke regime.

34 posted on 02/15/2013 12:03:59 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Global tyrants deserve Mussolini Treatment: Hung up by the heels after the sh*t kicked out of them)
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To: SampleMan

Curious you mentioned the Japanese. As it happens it’s the Souks that have the most to lose if the Norks get frisky. And just yesterday the Chicoms had a pretty detailed news story about the Souks explaining some of their capability. They just shot off a surface polaris style missile and a sub launched cruise missile in plain view of the Norks complete with a highly visible Israeli style bunker hit. The South guy was carefully explaining how they could put their missiles thru any particular office window in Norkland. I’m guessing the Souks have figured out they can’t depend on Obamuzzie on any particular day so they are willing to light it up if they get spooked———and they have some really good matches.


35 posted on 02/15/2013 2:54:57 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

I have family in SK. For the most part South Koreans love America but don’t have much use for the American Govt. They don’t wait around much.

They don’t want war but most of the people I’ve spoken with expect it some day.


36 posted on 02/15/2013 5:13:40 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: buckalfa

Both charter members of the Axis of Evil


37 posted on 02/15/2013 5:17:54 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
From National Review to Cargenie Endowment for Peace and every pundits in-between, they all say nuclear NK is forgone conclusion and let's try to contain proliferation of NK nuke tech? Basically waving a white flag. For all years, they say NK doesn't have it, their claim of HEU facility is a bogus, NK would give up nuke if we give right carrots, we are putting NK into the corner so they act irrational(give them a room and they would do something rational. You know the whole drill from so-called experts. They are all WRONG, WRONG, and WRONG. They have never been right and never will. They raise the monster called Chicom empire. Oh, they so loved making money out of China. How could two countries both having McDonalds can fight? They all work it out like rational agents in a free market. Now they don't know what to do. Cannot take any drastic steps for fear of popping barely reflated financial bubble. Obama also want expansion of NPT, and cut down nuke arsenal. So he will go after either SK or Japan if they feel threatened enough to acquire their own nukes. They will be mean and ruthless to their allies but not their mortal enemies, NK and China. It won't change. They are simply incapable of acting any other way. They will always take the easy way out. Hold the deteriorating status quo(it's getting worse for U.S.)and if necessary sacrifice allies to do it. In the mean time, appease and bribe adversaries for the same reason.
38 posted on 02/16/2013 2:41:39 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Pan_Yan

“Question: What do you call it when a small nation spends tens of millions of dollars to build nuclear weapons that they don’t need for defense only to detonate them in underground tests in a game of brinksmanship while their economy regresses to the stone age and tens of thousands of their people starve every year?”

The answer is: demonic possession.


39 posted on 02/16/2013 5:59:58 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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40 posted on 02/16/2013 9:05:32 AM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If I read that correctly...we, the US, are going to send a “stern warning”....Obama must really be pissed...wow ! Wait till John Kerry gets going ! BTW, it is true that John Kerry’s great uncle is Minister Neville Chamberlain?


41 posted on 02/16/2013 10:17:08 AM PST by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: SeminoleCounty

And when the PRC dumps a couple of Trillion $$$ worth of US Treasury Bonds onto the market? If you think the economy is in the toilet now, just see what happens when the 10 year Treasury rate is 8% within a week and the going rate for a fully conforming 1st mortgage is around 12%. Not to mention what that will do to the price of the dollar, the capital levels of banks after seeing their US Treasury portfolio decline by 10 - 15%. The potential of that is the total financial system collapse we barely avoided in 2008.

You were doing fine until the 2nd paragraph.


42 posted on 02/16/2013 2:06:03 PM PST by L,TOWM (No one in the US is free of the spirit of entitlement)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The yield was between 5 kt and 16 kt.

http://lewis.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/6288/making-yield-estimates


43 posted on 02/17/2013 1:23:45 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; gandalftb; nuconvert
The presence of Iran’s top scientist at North Korea’s latest nuclear test reveals a growing co-operation that will heighten fears in the West

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1215608.ece

“The most disturbing question is whether the Iranians are using North Korea as a backdoor plan for their own nuclear program. The Iranians didn’t carry out a nuclear test in Iran, but they may have done so in North Korea,” Levkowitz said. “There is no official information on this... but Iran may have bypassed inspections via North Korea. If true, this is a very worrying development.”
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=303499

44 posted on 02/17/2013 1:34:17 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

They always seem to show up for N.Korean nuke tests. The 2 countries are working hand in hand - nothing new.
Worrying should have begun years ago.


45 posted on 02/17/2013 3:59:16 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: AdmSmith
They are stating the obvious. Iranians had been present in NK’s rocket tests and nuke tests.
Why is this a new revelation?
So what are they going to do about it? Setting up MD base and deploy interceptors in SK? It seems that it is the only measures they can think of. If so, are they willing to shoot NK missiles down? If not, who bother? It is another face-saving gimmick laughed at by NK regime. Additionally, they vowed to tighten sanction which has gaping hole called China, which would also invite ridicule from NK.
46 posted on 02/18/2013 5:38:10 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; nuconvert
New activity detected at North Korea nuclear site

The analysts also found activity in two different parts of the site. They said that if the North detonated the bomb in a tunnel in the northern area, “then the southern tunnel would be readily available for a fourth test.”

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/02/21/asia-pacific/new-activity-detected-at-north-korea-nuclear-site/

47 posted on 02/21/2013 2:38:54 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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