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SEAL who killed Bin Laden reportedly knew hed lose benefits
Fox News ^ | Feb 15, 2013

Posted on 02/15/2013 7:39:35 AM PST by KeyLargo

SEAL who killed Bin Laden reportedly knew he’d lose benefits

Published February 15, 2013

| FoxNews.com

The former Navy SEAL who says he shot Usama bin Laden reportedly knew he was leaving the service well short of a retirement and without benefits, according to the commander of Naval Special Warfare.

The “man who killed" bin Laden — featured in the March issue of Esquire — made headlines earlier this week when the former SEAL asserted was “screwed” and abandoned by the military after losing his military health insurance benefits upon leaving the service in September.

But Rear Adm. Sean Pybus told Navy Times the SEAL knew what he was giving up in leaving the service with 16 years of service, shy of the 20-year retirement mark.

“Concerning recent writing and reporting on ‘The Shooter’ and his alleged situation, this former SEAL made a deliberate and informed decision to leave the NAVY several years short of Retirement status,” Pybus said. “Months ahead of his separation, he was counseled on status and benefits, and provided with options to continue his career until Retirement eligible. Claims to the contrary in these matters are false.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: corruption; govtabuse; military; seal; veterans
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I spoke with a retired Army Command Sergeant Major last night and he brought up the fact that there was a program in place where the military would entice service personnel with cash to leave the service prior to completing 20 years and forfeit any future benefits.

He told me that he tried to dissuade many young men and women from taking the government deal of up to $60 K to buy them off, but sadly the immediate offer of government $$ money to get them to leave the military was too much for these young men and women to resist.

But, they were adults and that was their choice.

Anyway, I thought that any honorably discharged vets would be eligible for VA medical treatment but I guess that I was wrong.

1 posted on 02/15/2013 7:39:46 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

So much for the liberal “support our troops” mantra, eh? That is what it boils down to.


2 posted on 02/15/2013 7:41:59 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: KeyLargo

OK then .. no harm, no foul.


3 posted on 02/15/2013 7:43:21 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: KeyLargo

Why would the man who killed OBL reveal himself to Esquire and why did he leave the Navy four years short of retirement? Something is fishy with this deal.


4 posted on 02/15/2013 7:44:20 AM PST by em2vn
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To: KeyLargo

When my husband joined the service in the early 80’s, he was told that if needed he would always be eligible for VA medical, he served 7 years. My Uncle served less time and has VA medical as secondary insurance, he served in the early 70’s. Has something changed?


5 posted on 02/15/2013 7:48:45 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Olog-hai
So much for the liberal “support our troops” mantra, eh? That is what it boils down to.

What support? The illegal alien muslim homosexual who lives in our White House is going to fire 7,000 marines, and cut the pay across the board for our military.

Bad enough that we have homosexuals flooding the barracks, but now we have the scumbags in our White House taking money from our military.

6 posted on 02/15/2013 7:50:04 AM PST by laweeks
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To: KeyLargo

If true he’s beginning to sound like a Democrat. EVERYONE knows you need 20-then you are home free. You need extra testosterone to be a Seal and sometimes it gets in the way of their thinking. Rich Saudis can reward him but the US government is off the hook. 16 years and not the remaining 4 makes no sense and we shouldn’t be bothered.


7 posted on 02/15/2013 7:50:32 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: KeyLargo
When I read the article a week or so ago, my thought was why is this guy complaining ... twenty years and military retirement benefit's kick in ... not sixteen. It was his choice.
8 posted on 02/15/2013 7:50:50 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Apparently this buyout offer included a no-insurance clause. Probably sneaked in there. Many probably didn’t know it.


9 posted on 02/15/2013 7:51:07 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: KeyLargo

I don’t think there’s any way anyone as smart as a SEAL would not know exactly what the deal was when he was discharged.


10 posted on 02/15/2013 7:53:23 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: KeyLargo

How come they have to wait 20 years for any benefits and congressional members only have to serve one term to get full benefits and perks?


11 posted on 02/15/2013 7:53:28 AM PST by beekay
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To: KeyLargo

The Admiral is quite correct.

Not a chance in Hell this SEAL didn’t realize that he wouldn’t receive retirement benefits if he left before the 20-year mark. Everyone who serves knows that.

This is much ado about nothing. The man made a decision, and IMHO, a very bad one. He had four years to go (tops) til he was eligible for lifetime retirement benefits. Truly dumb.


12 posted on 02/15/2013 7:54:15 AM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: em2vn

I know a number of people that have gotten out with less than 10yrs left. I work with a guy that was offered Chief or Warrant to stay in after 11 yrs, and he declined. Some people just get fed up with it.


13 posted on 02/15/2013 7:55:51 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: laweeks

Indeed, yet they won’t stop chanting “support our troops” all the while. They’re like the sheep in Orwell’s “Animal Farm”.


14 posted on 02/15/2013 7:56:33 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: KeyLargo
I thought that any honorably discharged vets would be eligible for VA medical treatment but I guess that I was wrong.
All can get treatment, but what you pay is means tested based on income, disability rating, etc.
But this also brings up another point - if someone's medical problem is not due to their military service, why does Uncle Sam owe them care?
My FIL was a WWII vet (ETO) and got real PO'd when the VA wouldn't pay for his false teeth. His attitude was - they owe me.
I'm a 'Nam vet and I don't think the gubmint owes me a thing.
15 posted on 02/15/2013 7:57:24 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: em2vn
Why would the man who killed OBL reveal himself to Esquire and why did he leave the Navy four years short of retirement? Something is fishy with this deal.

I agree. This guy sounds too dumb to be a SEAL. Talk about a lack of situational awareness.

16 posted on 02/15/2013 7:57:53 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: KeyLargo
The article says that the SEAL left 16years short of a 20 year retirement. I have read several books written by SEALS and 4 years to get to the position of top seal in 4 years seems to be unheard of. Does the SEAL only have 4 years of service? He still has VA rights and PTSD would be one possibility. 4 years of military service can be used for retirement towards federal retirement system. Any Veteran can get free treatment form the Veterans Administration with some restrictions.
17 posted on 02/15/2013 7:58:11 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: KeyLargo
I spoke with a retired Army Command Sergeant Major last night and he brought up the fact that there was a program in place where the military would entice service personnel with cash to leave the service prior to completing 20 years and forfeit any future benefits....Anyway, I thought that any honorably discharged vets would be eligible for VA medical treatment but I guess that I was wrong.

So if they take the government's money and leave the service early, they forfeit an "honorable discharge" status?

18 posted on 02/15/2013 8:00:50 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: KeyLargo

Most people have a poor sense of just how little money any amount of money really is.


19 posted on 02/15/2013 8:02:31 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: knarf
The retired CSM told me that that when he tried talking the service members out of the government deal he explained that after taxes and deductions taken out that the check would not be what they thought it would be, but the sleaze-ball car dealer outside the military post would have plenty of shiny new cars ready and waiting to sell them which was the first thing that they cashed the check for.
20 posted on 02/15/2013 8:02:48 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: knarf

I’m a Vietnam vet, dad was a WWII and Korean War vet, most of my relatives who of my generation or older have served. So, I’m pro military. I’ve been reading Chris Kyle’s Book, American Sniper. And, one thing becomes obvious about Seals and the other Special Op’s units is that they are their own worst enemy. These guys (and I say this in admiration) are so patriotic and mission commited, loyal to their brotherhood that they will go to almost any length to stay on their team. Per Chris’s writings, if these guys get an injury that could jeopardize their ability to remain on their team and perform their mission they will go to a civilian doctor so to conceal their injury or ailment from their military doctors who might rate them unfit for future missions. Such a rating would mean being assigned to a “desk jockey” job or if they refuse such a demeaning assignment, then retirement or disability discharge probably would be their only option. These are proud and tough guys and need to be protected from themselves. I think as with military pilots, they should be required to take a thorough annual physical. And, being that combat and the rigorous missions these guys
go on is a young man’s game, I think about mid 30’s or so they should start transitioning into less physically demanding assignments. It’s for their own good and would be difficult to accept I’m sure. Much like professional athletes, it’s rare that they can accept when it’s time to step down.


21 posted on 02/15/2013 8:09:56 AM PST by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: KeyLargo

I can think of a couple of good reasons why a person would retire before being eligible for benefits.

He might want to speak out on what he sees as problems in the military. Except for things which are considered secret etc., he is now free to speak out.

He probably figured he could sell his story for enough to make up for whatever he lost while also telling what he wants to get out to the American public.


22 posted on 02/15/2013 8:11:56 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: RightOnline
This is much ado about nothing.

I don't know about that...there's a story whose flames are being fanned here, possibly by Esquire magazine. They should be held to task.

23 posted on 02/15/2013 8:12:32 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
When my husband joined the service in the early 80’s, he was told that if needed he would always be eligible for VA medical, he served 7 years.

I served six years, from the mid-to late 80's, and recall no such promise. Upon honorable discharge, I recall being "eligible" for certain benefits, such as a VA loan, but I recall no such litany of benefits such as health insurance or healthcare.

24 posted on 02/15/2013 8:15:35 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: beekay

Because the asshats (most of them anyway) in congress are speeciaall! Just ask them. Would have loved to only had to work 4 or 6 years at my job to get full benefits no matter when I bailed after that time frame. I knew when I went in the USN in ‘67 that if I didn’t stay 20 minimum there would be no benefits other than possible VA stuff. Kind of common knowledge I thought.


25 posted on 02/15/2013 8:20:34 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: KeyLargo
Some private company with good benefits should hire him even if he does nothing all day. He deserves it. I would if I had won the lottery. He could be my head of security.
26 posted on 02/15/2013 8:22:13 AM PST by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: mountainlion
"The article says that the SEAL left 16years short of a 20 year retirement. I have read several books written by SEALS and 4 years to get to the position of top seal in 4 years seems to be unheard of. Does the SEAL only have 4 years of service? He still has VA rights and PTSD would be one possibility. 4 years of military service can be used for retirement towards federal retirement system. Any Veteran can get free treatment form the Veterans Administration with some restrictions."

I read it as he left after 16 years of service, four years short of retirement benefits eligibility.

27 posted on 02/15/2013 8:26:17 AM PST by Truth29
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To: em2vn

Exactly!!


28 posted on 02/15/2013 8:28:01 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Truth29

I read it as he left after 16 years of service, four years short of retirement benefits eligibility

I read it wrong. I met a SEAL that had 9 Purple hearts so I expect that he has claims against VA.


29 posted on 02/15/2013 8:33:11 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Truth29

I read it as he left after 16 years of service, four years short of retirement benefits eligibility

I read it wrong. I met a SEAL that had 9 Purple hearts so I expect that he has claims against VA.


30 posted on 02/15/2013 8:33:42 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: McGruff

The Seals have been fighting more or less non-stop for the last 12 years..ever since 911. Deployment upon deployment. A lot get out early because they simply can’t do more or they have growing families and their family can’t take it anymore. This crew of special warriors deserves some other kind of treatment.
We do know some of these people and some that are close to the same level of commitment and combat. We have asked too much..this is twice the length of WWII. Sure they have time at home, but even those are broken with missions.
I’m afraid that few of these real combat veterans will be lifer’s...as a result those who remain have even more pressure to continue in combat assignments.


31 posted on 02/15/2013 8:35:16 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: yarddog

You can’t talk about classified things just because you are no longer in.


32 posted on 02/15/2013 8:35:37 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

Yes I am aware that you can’t disclose classified info, that is why I mentioned it in my post.


33 posted on 02/15/2013 8:39:37 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

miss read it, sorry


34 posted on 02/15/2013 8:42:06 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: em2vn

Exactly what I was thinking.


35 posted on 02/15/2013 8:42:19 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: KeyLargo

It’s a matter of personal responsibility. Anyone with 16 years in the military knows the requirement to go to 20 to gain retirement benefits. Any notion he was “screwed” should be directed at himself, as he screwed himself over by leaving at 16.


36 posted on 02/15/2013 8:44:04 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: KeyLargo

SOF guys are under incredible stress, not only on the mission, but in their family lives.
When they are “hot” they get a call and are gone, no notice, cannot tell their family where they are going or when they will return.
Physical injuries are not reported, sometimes, so they won’t get on the binnacle list.
His wife might’ve told him either get out or get divorced.
He has since found employment with benefits.
It is not uncommon for SOF guys to get out (won’t call them quitters) before retirement kicks in at 20 yrs.
God Bless SOF personnel and their families...we have NO IDEA what they go through to keep us safe.


37 posted on 02/15/2013 8:47:16 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: stuartcr

Well at least you cured my brain freeze. I was trying to think of the word, “classified” and just couldn’t come up with it so I said “secret”.


38 posted on 02/15/2013 8:51:44 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: oh8eleven
It is no so much being owed anything but more about the government keeping their word to those that have served. If they tell you when enlist that you will be eligible for Veterans preference and VA medical the rest of your life then they should keep their word.
39 posted on 02/15/2013 9:08:46 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Lou L

Well my husband does recall it, he served from 81-88, in addition to this he was to receive Veterans preference, and now they have changed those laws too. Thank God we have good insurance, but we do believe that when promises are made they should be kept.


40 posted on 02/15/2013 9:11:18 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: beekay
How come they have to wait 20 years for any benefits and congressional members only have to serve one term to get full benefits and perks?

Because congressional benefits and perks are passed into law by congressmen whereas military benefits and perks are also passed into law by congressmen.

41 posted on 02/15/2013 9:15:13 AM PST by Drew68
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To: RightOnline

Also it seems he’s playing the “victim card” . Doesn’t that go against everything they teach you in any Special Ops?
I’m sure lots of Blackwater type companies would pay a SEAL with 16 years of experience on top of killing Bin Ladin lot’s just to have him around.


42 posted on 02/15/2013 9:24:38 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
more about the government keeping their word to those that have served.
Either you don't know what you're talking about, or were lied to.
When I enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1966, I was told I'd get free medical and dental while I remained in the Corps. If I got out, all benefits stopped.
I knew full well that unless I got wounded, the VA owed me nothing except being eligible for a VA mortgage.
No one ever promised me a rose garden.
43 posted on 02/15/2013 9:24:47 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: KeyLargo

I agree with the article. I know several guy sretiring or leaving and all of them have said there are information programs in place that tell them exactly what they will get and not get. It’s not like the “old” days where you let and were presented with nearly nothing for information. That SEAL knew what he would and would not be getting.


44 posted on 02/15/2013 9:32:54 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Olog-hai

45 posted on 02/15/2013 9:44:33 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: stuartcr

I left the Navy after nine years. With a one-year-old and a three-year-old at home, the probability of the next six years (and rumored to be going to eight) on sea duty was a bit much. My only regret is not joining the Reserves.


46 posted on 02/15/2013 9:59:19 AM PST by Bob
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To: oh8eleven

I regard a portion of my Social Security as a pension for what we got politically screwed out of by the Haydens and Fondas in Congress, in not being allowed to win the war in Vietnam, which we were perfectly capable of doing and should have done.


47 posted on 02/15/2013 10:02:50 AM PST by onedoug (1/1 CAV Americal I Corps RVN '68-69)
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To: beekay

“How come they have to wait 20 years for any benefits and congressional members only have to serve one term to get full benefits and perks?”

Urban legend...completely innacurate.


48 posted on 02/15/2013 10:23:59 AM PST by bat1816
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Thank God we have good insurance, but we do believe that when promises are made they should be kept.

Don't get me wrong, I respect your husband's service, and I respect your patience. It's not easy being in the military, or being a military spouse. But any "promises" in terms of benefits could be changed at any time, and if I learned anything from being in the service, it's that the government has the ultimate power in these situations.

The only "Veteran's Preference" I recall is that if you applied for a government job after you left the service, you would be given "points" for each year of service, which would ultimately go toward your hiring criteria.

And as for medical benefits, if you were injured or eligible for any kind of disability related to your service, you could get payment and/or ongoing care. Anything beyond that is up for debate.

49 posted on 02/15/2013 10:26:34 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: beekay

Sheer numbers.


50 posted on 02/15/2013 10:36:00 AM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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