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Father says he's still paying child support for 3-year-old son who died 25 years ago
ABC News (wxyz.com) ^ | 2-16-13 | Kimberly Craig

Posted on 02/16/2013 3:21:29 PM PST by Texas Fossil

Campbell says even clerks at the Friend of the Court have been baffled.

"The lady said 'how you owe on a child been dead 23 years?' I said I don’t know and she said we’ll do another audit".

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Court officials admitted to 7 Action News that the calculations from the audits were wrong and that they would expedite another one.

The latest audit resulted in what court officials believe is an accurate amount Campbell still owes: $6,460.08.

And after so many erroneous audits, Campbell still doubts he owes that amount because for so many years he was paying for what court officials believed were two children.

A spokesperson for Friend of the Court tells 7 Action News that there is no clear reason other than human error to explain why multiple audits generated such varied amounts.

(Excerpt) Read more at wxyz.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: childsupport; fraud; mi
"Campbell drove to Detroit to show court officials a death certificate, proof that Michael died in 1988, but says he was told that he still owed about $43,000 for Michael."

2nd audit said $20,000

3rd audit said $6,460.08

Now they are going to audit it for the 4th time.

They must be using the same accounting practices as Obama uses in DC!

1 posted on 02/16/2013 3:21:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

arrearages?


2 posted on 02/16/2013 3:24:29 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Texas Fossil
They must be using the same accounting practices as Obama uses in DC!

I doubt it. The audits are getting lower.

3 posted on 02/16/2013 3:25:42 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Texas Fossil

Maybe they have records showing the child has been voting since he was 18, proof he is not deceased.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 3:32:14 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Texas Fossil

This sounds like the bookkeeping in my daughter’s Ortho office.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 3:32:51 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: Texas Fossil
Chil'ren Support question:
"Do you have any $$$$?"
"then hand it over..any augments?"

*after lengthy delays*
"tell them to the Judges."

6 posted on 02/16/2013 3:34:26 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Texas Fossil

I bet Mom keeps cashin the checks.


7 posted on 02/16/2013 3:36:37 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Rusty0604

“Maybe they have records showing the child has been voting since he was 18, proof he is not deceased.”

Such a statement may sound like a joke to some but there is actually a solid chance that this is what happened. Scary thought :(


8 posted on 02/16/2013 3:49:26 PM PST by Wanderer99
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To: driftdiver

Oh I imagine so ......


9 posted on 02/16/2013 3:57:53 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Texas Fossil

Get a lawyer and sue for overpayment. Sure the POS lawyer will get the lion’s share but the nightmare will be over.


10 posted on 02/16/2013 3:58:49 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Texas Fossil

Are there hosptial bills and this is the way he is paying his share?


11 posted on 02/16/2013 4:00:04 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Texas Fossil
Is it possible that the state or some other public agency paid the child support and billed him for it, bills which he ignored? Or does he owe back unpaid child support? If I don't pay a credit card bill on an account that has been closed for 23 years, my liability it does not go to zero. I still owe the money.

Maybe if wasn't a deadbeat, I said maybe, maybe his child would still be alive.

Anyway, I guess he'll win the award as "Father of Year" next year.

12 posted on 02/16/2013 4:02:55 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Just looked up what “ Friend of the Court” is.

They have the power of enforcement by garnishing wages, suspending drivers license, Passport, etc.

If it were me, I’d take them to court.


13 posted on 02/16/2013 4:03:45 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Texas Fossil
"In every bureaucratic system, the shifting of responsibilities is a matter of daily routine,
and if one wishes to define bureaucracy in terms of political science, that is as a form of government - the rule of office as contrasted to the rule of men of one man or of the few, or of the many
bureaucracy unhappily is the rule of nobody and for this reason is perhaps the least human and most cruel form of rulership".
- Hannh Arendt (Re: Eichmann and his role in the holocaust) -
14 posted on 02/16/2013 4:08:31 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s just the dumb@sses at Child Support - they probably ran a computer check, saw this guy stopped paying, and assessed him child support since then.

Good luck getting that straightened out.


15 posted on 02/16/2013 4:15:21 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Texas Fossil
The King can do no wrong.

The King is stupid.

The King can do no wrong.

16 posted on 02/16/2013 4:17:33 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: Texas Fossil

Hope he’s got a lawyer. Time to sue.


17 posted on 02/16/2013 4:17:43 PM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Texas Fossil
The states view that as simply another tax and another source of tax revenue.

There is no upside for a fertile and virile man these days. If I had it all to do over again and were able to do so, I would have had myself vasectomized at puberty.

18 posted on 02/16/2013 4:59:51 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
The friend of the court is seldom a friend of the people. It was their screw up that allowed me to spend a day in jail for non payment of support while they figured out that I didn't have kids. A few years back I was looking at the website for the Jackson county friend of the court and they proudly declared that they collected fines and payments in excess of 100%.

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19 posted on 02/16/2013 5:13:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: donna

Hannh Arendt?

She was one of the most intelligent people I ever read. And one of the hardest to understand. Primary language barrier with incredibly complex sentence structure.

Her Book: “The Origins of Totalitarianism”, was one of the most difficult reads I ever attempted.

Too few people in the US are familiar with her.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 5:42:52 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: cripplecreek
I don't know why they call it "Friend of the Court", they should be known as the Court Jesters.

My plant's safety manager was forced to pay child support for his 19 year old daughter who had already been in the Navy for a year and a half.......You can't argue with the ignorance that goes on in that court system.

21 posted on 02/16/2013 5:45:07 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: shalom aleichem

I am sure there was some of that, skips in employment.

But after 25 years? Looks like someone would have told him about the death of the child. Suspect the mother did not want to reduce her income and the courts said, “he is out of state” so we will make it as difficult as possible.

I honestly have no knowledge of the details of this, but I am not surprised about “bureaucratic efficiency” in Detroit. /sarcasm


22 posted on 02/16/2013 5:46:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: lowbridge

That is exactly what they are doing with Obozo’s unemployment figures. Getting lower by bogus calculations.

But, yes the deficits are growing rapidly and they see no problem.


23 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Chickensoup

Hospital bills, probably. Was he informed? It is obviousl he was not. That was 23 years ago.

Am I defending a flaky father, no. But rember the people who are in charge of collecting this have the mind of a collection agent. And they have no sympathy for the father, ever.


24 posted on 02/16/2013 5:52:29 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I never defended the father. But if you read the article even “the friend of the court” cannot understand why he still has a balance 23 years after the childs death (they had been garnishing his wages).

Also note the variance of the audit. Each time they were reduced and each time they were worlds appart.

Bureaucrap suck.... I do not appologize for that statement.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 5:57:09 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

If I remember correctly she said something to the effect: the key or prerequisite to a totalitarian government is a large and unencumbered bureaucracy.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 6:32:46 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I don’t know if its still a problem but here in Jackson, they used to have a problem of guys losing their jobs because of court ordered community service. You had to do the service when they said so and they didn’t concern themselves with your job.

They had guys getting all tied up in that mess and they simply couldn’t get ahead but it was free labor for the county.


27 posted on 02/16/2013 6:35:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DarkWaters

No doubt we have that when the rule of law is destroyed.

The Federal Government is very large, unaccountable if not tied to constitutional restraint.

There are serious consequences of allowing this.

The solution? DownSize DC! Eliminate entire Rogue, unaccountable, unconstitutional departments.

We can begin with the US Dept. of Education, including it’s SWAT teams. Then the EPA. Then we are just getting warmed up.

Can that happen? Not sure.


28 posted on 02/16/2013 8:11:12 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: DarkWaters

I will have to dig her book out of my library and see what I have forgotten that it contained. I might gain a better perspective by re-reading it after a 25 year lapse since I read it.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 8:15:58 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

A common story in the divorce/cohabitation regime for at least three decades or more. Have fun. Enjoy the feminist/romanticist slide.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:18 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Texas Fossil

These child support agencies can “attribute” all sorts of earnigns to a guy who does not show up. The mother can say well he worked construction once upon a time and earned $30/hour so gross income is based on that. The support is set. The guy is unaware he can ask for a “review” of support amount due to his un or underemployment. Agencies fight lowering due to their 2% processing charge on every dime that goes through them.

They also can make Dad pay birth expenses if Mom was on benefits. In this case, probably make him pay the funeral bill.

Filing bankruptsy may not relieve him of this obligation.


31 posted on 02/17/2013 3:53:39 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Texas Fossil

“But after 25 years? Looks like someone would have told him about the death of the child. Suspect the mother did not want to reduce her income and the courts said, “he is out of state” so we will make it as difficult as possible.”

In most cases the child support isn’t going to the mother, but rather to the state because the mother is on welfare/ADC.

The state has no reason to agree to shut off the cash flow when the child is 18, or dead as in this case.


32 posted on 02/17/2013 10:35:21 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Texas Fossil

bookmark


33 posted on 02/17/2013 5:44:05 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, it can happen but I see that only after we go full bore hyperinflation until money has no meaning because we are so broke. The school of hard knocks seems to be the only way people as a whole learn or wake up from their trance when the culture has descended down into complete depravity.


34 posted on 02/17/2013 6:36:20 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Beagle8U

Thanks for the explanation.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 6:42:11 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: DarkWaters

Learn? We have a steep learn curve.

“Essays on Political Economy”

By the late M. Frederic Bastiat(1874)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15962/15962-h/15962-h.htm

-That Which Is Seen, and That Which Is Not Seen-

“This explains the fatally grievous condition of mankind.

Ignorance surrounds its cradle: then its actions are determined by their first consequences, the only ones which, in its first stage, it can see.

It is only in the long run that it learns to take account of the others.

It has to learn this lesson from two very different masters—experience and foresight.

Experience teaches effectually, but brutally. It makes us acquainted with all the effects of an action, by causing us to feel them; and we cannot fail to finish by knowing that fire burns, if we have burned ourselves.

For this rough teacher, I should like, if possible, to substitute a more gentle one.

I mean Foresight. For this purpose I shall examine the consequences of certain economical phenomena, by placing in opposition to each other those which are seen, and those which are not seen.”


36 posted on 02/17/2013 6:59:37 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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