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Dozens of pro-Dorner protesters rally at LAPD HQ
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Posted on 02/16/2013 8:57:38 PM PST by Morgana

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To: Morgana

I think it’s telling that the press is doing a no more than average job of conflating those who support Dorner with those who question the tactics used by police, and the number of current FReepers who recognize that fact seems to be vanishingly small.


51 posted on 02/17/2013 6:25:38 AM PST by papertyger
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To: rbmillerjr
"He declared war on the wives and children of the LAPD."

Absolutely unacceptable to target family. Wish he hadn't ate a bullet and felt the flames turning his flesh to goop. But then, maybe that's why he did shoot himself.

I don't think he was a whackjob. He was too methodical in his actions and allowing the cabin owners to live shows he was in full control of his mental faculties. He was just a murdering pr*ck with an agenda. Glad he's dead.

If the SHTF and a guerilla type resistance were to start, I would never help anyone who targets innocent families - never. It's just all kinds of wrong.

52 posted on 02/17/2013 6:42:32 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Tainan

Most probably showed up for the free B-B-Q.


53 posted on 02/17/2013 6:47:14 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: A Navy Vet

Your words and attitude are the words of a civilized person. Thanking and Praising God, people as yourself exist.


54 posted on 02/17/2013 6:50:36 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Morgana

Read some of the stupid comments at the yahoo site on this article. Good grief. Anti-Bush is at fault for crashing airplanes into the WTC, murdering poor people in Iraq, etc. is the reason this happened. I simply cannot rap my mind around the stupidity of people these days. That there are actually idiots out there that believe this crap. It just amazes me how stupid America has become. Really, really, stupid.


55 posted on 02/17/2013 7:19:18 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Actually they’re just everyday average liberals. They’ve been doing this kind of crap for decades. Worshiping cop killers, killers in general, terrorists, tyrants, rapists, child rapists (consider the deification of the worlds most blatant pedophile Michael Jackson) even serial killers and it’s really not a small percentage. They are pretty much ALL like this and for those who do not think so, then all I can say is you are not looking close enough.

For example how many people out there know actress Susan Sarandon literally named her first male born child after a killer? After killer Jack Henry Abbott? Ever hear the saying “I’m going to name my first male born child after you”? Well, she actually did that, but for a killer. How would you like that? Mom names you after a killer. How about being named after Jeffrey Dahmer or John Waynce Gacy? Yes ladies and gentlemen, the are *that* effed up!


56 posted on 02/17/2013 8:20:13 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Morgana

It is funny that just a few short days ago there was a item on here about LAPD confiscating or out right stealing weapons taken from law abiding citizens. There was rightly an outrage expressed on this site.

This is the same site that expresses support for others who take up arms against tyranny. The suggestion is frequently repeated here. Dorner was wrong and cruel, but not much differnt than those for whom he worked.

There was support expressed on this site when an individual flew a plane into an IRS building a few years ago.

I fail to see how Dorner is significantly different.

Am I to assume that we here support police copruption? LAPD is certainly rife with corruption. Do we support kicking retarded arrestees, or any other handcuffed individual? Sorry, even our military doesn’t do that. Do we support cops firing wildly at people in a pick up because it matched a description? That is outrageous conduct by law enforcement and again, rules of engagement forbid such action by our mililtary, why would we accept it by the police? Clearly the officers that shot the BOA robbery suspects years ago let them bleed out and die, demonstrating their wish to kill who they choose. They clearly intended to kill Dorner, yet we object when the government wishes to use drones to remove suspected terrorists, us citizen or other wise. And of course we often post pictures of the LA riots showing how police fail to serve when most needed.

Many police take property unjustly. They act in an egotistical, aggressive, vengeful, self serving manner, they care little about those they are charged to protect. They view themselves as an occupying army and conduct themselves accordingly. They talk about us against them when they are supposed to be an extension of us, of the rule of law. I am a supporter of law and order and the police departments, but not of the methods they often employ. Most police are nothing more than bullies.

But don’t forget, Dorner was one of them. He was overly aggressive when it served his agenda, he was vengeful, self serving, he was one of them. The entertaining thing about this whole venture is the cops seemingly fired the only member of their force capable of shooting and waging a one man war. Given police behavior they should have kept Dorner to further thier agenda, but sadly he thought kicking retarded people was wrong, but surely they could have made him see the light.

I’m sure to get censored or booted off of here, but doewsn’t anyonoe else see the hypocrisy in this?

JimS


57 posted on 02/17/2013 8:59:56 AM PST by rey
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To: redgolum
It is a very dangerous precedent to have cops believe they can kill without a trial. Which they may have here.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cjs04.htm

Federal constitutional standards permit law enforcement officers to use deadly force to apprehend criminal suspects when there is "probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm...to the officer or to others..." and if deadly force "is necessary" to effect the apprehension.1 This formulation of the constitutional rule by the Supreme Court suggests two factors - dangerousness and necessity - as relevant to the question whether deadly force is constitutionally permissible.

58 posted on 02/17/2013 9:07:56 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: GeronL
Dozens eh?

Looks like the media goofed up, and forget to run the numbers through the "Calypso Louis Million Man Math Converter."

59 posted on 02/17/2013 9:09:38 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rey
Do we support cops firing wildly at people in a pick up because it matched a description?

No. Do we support every political person with an R behind his/her name? No!

Dorner was wrong and cruel, but not much different than those for whom he worked.

How many of those for whom Dorner worked shot a young woman in the face and killed her?

They clearly intended to kill Dorner

You have definite proof of that in your possession?

. Most police are nothing more than bullies.

Where did you acquire that information? A university study?

But don’t forget, Dorner was one of them.

Dorner was also a Navy Reservist. Are you going to indict everyone who served our country in the Navy?

60 posted on 02/17/2013 9:25:16 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Thnaks for you response:
Do we support cops firing wildly at people in a pick up because it matched a description?
No. Do we support every political person with an R behind his/her name? No!

Dorner was wrong and cruel, but not much different than those for whom he worked.

How many of those for whom Dorner worked shot a young woman in the face and killed her?

Clearly wrong, but how many here support aggressive action in Afghanistan, “Level the village”? That mentality is no different than what Dorner did. Clearly wrong.

They clearly intended to kill Dorner

You have definite proof of that in your possession?

Of course not. We are all armchair quater backing with no proof of anything. But clearly they have acted that way in the past. Firing on a vehicle before being certain of its occupants suggests the desire to outright kill.

. Most police are nothing more than bullies.

Personal experience and from strong acquaintances who are cops who openly express desires to kill and harm. From seeing policing agencies in Chicago, New Orleans, and LA who conduct themselvces accordingly.

Where did you acquire that information? A university study?

But don’t forget, Dorner was one of them.

Dorner was also a Navy Reservist. Are you going to indict everyone who served our country in the Navy?

Of course not. I’m actually shocked that a sailor did this.

Thanks again.


61 posted on 02/17/2013 9:57:27 AM PST by rey
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To: Alaska Wolf; Admin Moderator
Not surprising.

What's really surprising is out of 8 million people, a dozen or so supporting some lunatic who murdered totally innocent people, is put into breaking news and allowed to stay there.

Breaking news?

Gak...

62 posted on 02/17/2013 10:16:01 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AppyPappy

You do have a point my FRiend, but nowadays it seems that Color is thicker than pretty much anything.

Such is life in Obamaville.


63 posted on 02/17/2013 10:50:32 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (When the Sheep elect a Wolf to lead them, it's time for the Sheepdogs to move to Texas.)
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To: GeronL
Dozens eh?

Maybe that was all the obamagoons could afford.

64 posted on 02/17/2013 11:22:20 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: rey
Clearly wrong

Wrong? Littering is wrong. Premeditated, cold-blooded murder is abhorrent.

how many here support aggressive action in Afghanistan

That is military action in a war zone. Let's keep focus on the subject, Dorner.

clearly they have acted that way in the past.

Past actions then would indicate that every citizen intends to kill a cop. Is that logical?

Personal experience and from strong acquaintances who are cops who openly express desires to kill and harm

In other words your opinion is based on nothing more than your experience and a limited number of acquaintances. Have you ever been incarcerated?

65 posted on 02/17/2013 11:44:59 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Exactly right.

They had this guy holed up in a cabin. Form a perimeter, cut power and water, and he will come out. Start playing the theme song to “Barney” and he might just come out screaming for mercy.

But instead they started lobbing in tear gas grenades. By the way, that means someone was within 100 yards or so if the house, and in harms way. This was done very quickly.

Now for a more, shall we say, interesting take. There was a stand off in my area not that long ago. The perp killed three people, and locked himself in a rural house. The cops keep watch for a few days till he walked out and was arrested. No fire bomb, no tear gas, just a bunch of deputies with guns and a decent negotiator getting the guy to talk.
But he didn’t kill cops, so the rule of law applied to him I guess.

Can you see my, and others, concerns? If three “civilians” died, they would not have torched the building.


66 posted on 02/17/2013 11:54:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Can you see my, and others, concerns? If three “civilians” died, they would not have torched the building.

Well the young woman and her fiance were civilians so your concern seems cohfused.

he will come out

He had 6 days to surrender peacefully. He had no intention of coming out.

67 posted on 02/17/2013 12:10:01 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: trebb
That about sums up the mentality of liberals. Logic is a word that is not in their vocabulary. In every single area in life, if it illogical, they will support it.

No jobs? Steal the money of people who create jobs by raising taxes.

Illegals bankrupting states? Invite more illegals in.

Gay guy steals military secrets because he was in a snit? Overturn DADT so more gays join.

Mass shootings because nobody had a gun to shoot back? Disarm even more people.

Muslim men in their 20s doing all the terror attacks? Try to get a bill passed that will make it easier for them to get into the country (like Ted Kennedy did).

You could literally sit here for hours stating all the examples. They are THE definition of the word "insane" in the purest sense. One cannot show a greater example of that word than pointing at a US liberal, it just does not exist.

68 posted on 02/17/2013 12:11:19 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Alaska Wolf

He was surrounded for six days? Don’t think so.

He killed cops and their families. He knew, and everyone involved knew, that the police would not take him alive.

I am not saying I am sad he died. I am not. I am saying that there is a double standard that is very clear here.


69 posted on 02/17/2013 12:17:35 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
He was surrounded for six days?

I didn't state that, did I? Why do criminal apologists have so much comprehension difficulty?

He killed cops and their families

The young woman and her fiance were civilians, weren't they?

I am saying that there is a double standard that is very clear here.

Why not test your contention? Kill 4 innocent people, write a manifesto threatening others, take hostages, hole up in a cabin shooting at police and see if they lob teargas canisters into the building, okay? Be sure to let us know the time and location so we can follow the progress.

70 posted on 02/17/2013 12:37:15 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: GeronL

Suddenly, I start seeing virtue in police brutality, despite my better instincts. Must get my eyes checked.


71 posted on 02/17/2013 12:50:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Morgana; All

I just made this video.

If you like it.

Bump it up and spread it around.

http://youtu.be/0xas70FkeT0


72 posted on 02/17/2013 12:54:02 PM PST by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: RLM

They probably fired him because he was A CRAZY NUT JOB! His “manifesto” was nothing but drivel...sort of like the idiots that post “I’m leaving FR” opuses!


73 posted on 02/17/2013 1:02:45 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: rbmillerjr

He probably didn’t like getting passed over by other “minorties” like Hispancis, gays and Asians.

I’m going to live a life of gloating when this happens to thousands of “African” Americans!

Live by liberalism, die by liberalism.


74 posted on 02/17/2013 1:04:47 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: Eleutheria5

lol


75 posted on 02/17/2013 1:05:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: metmom; dfwgator

gator is right they usually inflate numbers for the leftists, I guess most of the MSM ain’t supporting ChrisP


76 posted on 02/17/2013 1:06:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

And Treyvon Martin goes the way of the dodo! lol


77 posted on 02/17/2013 1:06:33 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: rlmorel

What else did these vermin have to do, their EBT cards don’t get credited by Obama for two more weeks. The only surprise is that there weren’t thousands of them. And some of them were gutless to their commitment by wearing masks.


78 posted on 02/17/2013 1:19:18 PM PST by DAC21
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79 posted on 02/17/2013 1:45:02 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: Morgana

I remember seeing an op-ed about Dorner titled “Finally, a mass shooter that leftists can love.” How prophetic it proved to be!


80 posted on 02/17/2013 1:49:14 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Morgana

Why aren’t these hypocrites handing in all their guns to the police like they want the rest of us do? What are they, right wing anti-government extremists?


81 posted on 02/17/2013 1:55:27 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: GeronL; dfwgator

I don’t doubt he’s right.

I’m just saying that I’m suspicious that they hired the *protestors*.


82 posted on 02/17/2013 3:08:34 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

wouldn’t be the first time


83 posted on 02/17/2013 3:41:19 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Alaska Wolf

The hostage taking, and killings, happened 40 miles north of me. They waited for the guy to come out after he got hungry, and he is now sitting in prison. They didn’t lob tear gas.

So you are fine with police being judge, jury, and executioners if they feel the need? This isn’t about killing a suspect to stop them from harming others. They had the guy holed up in a house isolated on a mountain. He wasn’t going anywhere.

Again, I don’t care that he died. I do care about the two standards of justice in play. In short, hurt a cop or their immediate family, and you die. Hurt a non cop, and they might go after you, if they feel like it.


84 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:28 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Clearly wrong
Wrong? Littering is wrong. Premeditated, cold-blooded murder is abhorrent.

OK And standing over a perp and allowing him to bleed to death as they did in the BOA robbery is evil. And by the way, it is safe to call abhorrent behavior wrong.

how many here support aggressive action in Afghanistan

That is military action in a war zone. Let’s keep focus on the subject, Dorner.

So leveling a village and killing famalies is ok. Got it. My point is that if service members are held to a higher standard of conduct under more trying circumstances than police officers then something is very wrong. Most cops are typical government employees who are simply trying to collect benefits and a pension.

clearly they have acted that way in the past.

Past actions then would indicate that every citizen intends to kill a cop. Is that logical?

They is a reflexive pronoun referring back to the LAPD. And yes, the LAPD has a poor record.

Personal experience and from strong acquaintances who are cops who openly express desires to kill and harm

In other words your opinion is based on nothing more than your experience and a limited number of acquaintances. Have you ever been incarcerated?

My experience is based on endless stories about cops acting in their own self interest and not in that of the victim or the public. I know many firefighters and cops who take whatever they want from a crime or accident scene believing the insurance will cover it. There is an extremely fine line between the conduct of most law enforcement and that of criminals and many cops cross that line.


85 posted on 02/17/2013 6:56:46 PM PST by rey
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To: redgolum
The hostage taking, and killings, happened 40 miles north of me. They waited for the guy to come out after he got hungry, and he is now sitting in prison. They didn’t lob tear gas.

Aren't we discussing the Dorner incident?

So you are fine with police being judge, jury, and executioners

Who was executed besides an unarmed young woman and her fiance?

This isn’t about killing a suspect to stop them from harming others.

Are you claiming he hadn't killed others and intended to kill more?

In short, hurt a cop or their immediate family, and you die

Those of us who never have should be immortal? Murder is against the law and when you start shooting at cops resisting arrest, you've made the choice to most likely die.

86 posted on 02/17/2013 8:44:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: rey
Try to remain focused on the subject, Dorner. He was a cold -blooded, premeditated murderer. He had 6 days to peacefully surrender, but he chose to keep killing. No measures were too extreme to keep the murderous POS from killing more innocent people.

Have you ever been incarcerated?

87 posted on 02/17/2013 8:52:30 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I believe you lack the focus.

Never said Dorner was a good guy. Clearly a bad one, but what about his supervisor? Good or bad? What about the LA cops that are impounding or out right stealing weapons without just cause? Good or bad? What about the guy that guy who flew the plane into the IRS building a couple of years ago? Good or bad?

Many cops have agendas, it is just funny to me that one of their own turned on them and gave them hell. I am as ammused by this as when Muslims kill one another or harm one anothers families.

My point is posters here view Dorner’s actions as bad because they are Dorner’s actions. The same actions perpetrated by another against some other government agency meet with approval here.


88 posted on 02/21/2013 2:21:26 PM PST by rey
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To: rey
Never said Dorner was a good guy.

I never claimed you did.

what about his supervisor? Good or bad?

Is his supervisor responsible for him being a cold-blooded murdering POS?

Many cops have agendas

Is that so? Can you state what they are and where you garnered your information?

Were you ever incarcerated?

89 posted on 02/21/2013 5:25:58 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (I)
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