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Pop Vitamin C Tablets, Get a Kidney Stone
Real Clear Science ^ | February 8, 2013 | Alex B. Berezow

Posted on 02/16/2013 11:50:50 PM PST by neverdem

Vitamin supplements are popular items these days. Vitamin C is particularly popular in the winter, when people pop tablets at the first sign of a cold. However, data indicates that vitamin C doesn't actually prevent colds, but long-term use may slightly reduce the severity or duration of a cold when you do catch one.

So, should we all start popping vitamin C tablets every day? Probably not. A new study in JAMA Internal Medicine showed that men who took 1,000-mg tablets of vitamin C were twice as likely to develop kidney stones as men who did not take vitamin C supplements. (See chart below.) The effect was not observed for men who took multivitamins.

To determine relative risk (RR), the authors compared the rate of kidney stones in men who did not take vitamin supplements (163 per 100,000 person-years) to the rate of kidney stones in men who took vitamin C supplements (310 per 100,000 person-years). Dividing 310 by 163 gives a crude RR of 1.90, which in this case, is the same as the age-adjusted RR...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kidneystone; nephrolithiasis; vitaminc; vitc
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1 posted on 02/16/2013 11:50:53 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.

I've been taking 5g a day of Vitamin C for years. I've never had a kidney stone. My brother does not. He gets kidney stones. QED.

2 posted on 02/16/2013 11:57:07 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: neverdem

In other words, there is NO statistical difference between NOT taking 1000MG of vitamin C or actually taking 1000MG vitamin C when it comes down to kidney stones in men. This is nothing less than DISinformation.

NO data about its obvious effectiveness in helping with the common cold...

Gee whiz, Wally, do you think there might be something ELSE going on?


3 posted on 02/17/2013 12:03:48 AM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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To: neverdem
Everybody who has ever had a Kidney stone has ate a Carrot.
Stay away from the Carrots.
4 posted on 02/17/2013 12:10:00 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax

Yup. Statistics, it takes a Feynmannian intellect (or a small bit of common sense) to spot the nonsense.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 12:45:03 AM PST by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: neverdem

Total bullshit. I have been taking five grams a day for nearly forty years — ever since Dr Linus Pauling wrote his famous book and have never had a kidney stone. Or a cold. Or any other major disease.


6 posted on 02/17/2013 1:12:04 AM PST by BullDog108 (FUBO)
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To: neverdem
This just in:
EVERYBODY YES EVERYBODY who eats carrots will DIE.
7 posted on 02/17/2013 1:20:22 AM PST by DeaconRed (I want to see ZERO frog marched off to the Federal Pen with Hitlery & others with him.)
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To: neverdem

Never heard this one before regarding Vit. C and kidney stones, however, I’d stay away from excessive amounts of Tums for heartburn. I used to take pretty many, and I did get a kidney stone; no more Tums for me.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 1:25:04 AM PST by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: neverdem

kidney stones are due to diet, genetics, and how much liquid you drink.


9 posted on 02/17/2013 1:36:01 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: cynwoody
Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.
I've been taking 5g a day of Vitamin C for years. I've never had a kidney stone. My brother does not. He gets kidney stones. QED.

This is anecdotal, not statistical. Maybe you generate kidney stones so often and excrete them while they are so small that you think you do not have them. I dunno. But since I have had kidney stones several times, and the last one was 9 mm long x ~6 mm diameter, and cost several thousands for the lithitripsy, I think I'm going to give the statistics in this article some thought more than your anecdotal conclusion. And I'm posting this to suggest that others do likewise.

10 posted on 02/17/2013 2:47:41 AM PST by imardmd1
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To: neverdem

Correlation is not Causation.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 3:00:37 AM PST by Makana (Today's solution is tomorrow's problem.)
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To: Makana

True, but it is unclear which or how many other supplements the researchers controlled for. Of the vitamin C users, 3.4 percent developed kidney stones for the first time during the study, compared to 1.8 percent of non-supplement users.

Obviously the vast majority of men taking it are not coming down with kidney stones. That doesn’t mean the findings are useless. I take 500 mg a day with an iron tablet and am going to ask about continuing at my next visit to the doctor.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 3:09:35 AM PST by erlayman
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To: mlizzy

Regular orange juice I thought was actually beneficial in preventing kidney stones, maybe it is only the ascorbic acid in tablet form or in high doses that presents problems for some folks ??


13 posted on 02/17/2013 3:28:39 AM PST by erlayman
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To: neverdem

A few comments on Vit C intake: 99% of C is manufactured in China. I would eat nothing made in China. 2. Vit C is metabolized to oxalate which in combination with calcium forms calcium oxalate crystals, the basis of some forms of stones in humans. 3. Vit C is an antioxidant, having other health benefits. 4. Taking massive doses probably leads to an increase in stone incidence in susceptible people. 4. Massive doses of C are simply excreted in the urine, most unmetabolized. 5. Vit C’s effect on fighting the common cold is highly controversial and is probably of negligible benefit. 6. Vit C will prevent scurvy based on both experimental proof and 100% response rate in human clinical trials. In summary, pertaining to this study, Vit C most likely does lead to an increase incidence of kidney stones in susceptible populations of people.


14 posted on 02/17/2013 3:37:52 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: BullDog108

Linus died of cancer.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 3:39:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: mlizzy

Vit C kidney stone connection has been around for a few decades.


16 posted on 02/17/2013 3:40:36 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem
I take a half teaspons of baking soda to relieve heartburn, works great and is much cheaper than antacids.

With that being said, I've read that baking soda will also help prevent and disolve existing kidney stones........

17 posted on 02/17/2013 3:40:56 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Give this man the cigar.


18 posted on 02/17/2013 3:41:35 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot; Secret Agent Man; Hot Tabasco
I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to get kidney stones for DECADES.

I will name them and raise them and homeschool and everything.

19 posted on 02/17/2013 3:43:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: erlayman

Good comment. If you are male, I would suggest you avoid the iron supplement.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 3:44:37 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem

The CDC reported recently that laboratory mice cause cancer.


21 posted on 02/17/2013 3:48:23 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: neverdem

Did they control for other factors? I know people who take vitamin C but it constitutes their only efforts at healthy eating.


22 posted on 02/17/2013 3:57:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cynwoody
3g daily for 36+ years...so far, so good...


23 posted on 02/17/2013 4:08:20 AM PST by pookie18 (21 months until the midterm elections...)
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To: cynwoody

I agree. 1,000-mg is quite alot.


24 posted on 02/17/2013 5:05:59 AM PST by tsowellfan (cafenetamerica.com)
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To: neverdem

Strange.... My physcian told me to take 3 Vit. C tablets a day to avoid UTI’s.


25 posted on 02/17/2013 5:11:43 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: neverdem

Strange.... My physcian told me to take 3 Vit. C tablets a day to avoid UTI’s.


26 posted on 02/17/2013 5:19:00 AM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: mlizzy
I dealt with heartburn for about fifteen years, eating lots of tums, and finally switching to baking soda because it was a lot cheaper. Then one day, I discovered the excruciating experience of having a gall bladder attack. The doctor urged that I have it removed. I told him "no thanks". Since then I have cut fat out of my diet. And now I have no more heartburn.

Bottom line, it was my gall bladder which was the underlying cause of my heartburn and not the acid level in my stomach.

27 posted on 02/17/2013 5:19:56 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: DeaconRed

I am not going to die because I hate carrots and don’t eat them.


28 posted on 02/17/2013 5:21:46 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: pookie18

Watchout for that dangerous Vitamin C! Have radiation therapy, followed by 15 different medications to alleviate the side effects. Then when you develop anxiety and depression from all the toxins that don’t cure anything, we have some lhabit forming narcotics to alleviate those systems. If by chance you do survive, don’t eat vegetables that counteract the blood thinners. If by any chance your not left bes ridden, it would be unwise to go far because your swollen feet will be in extreme pain and/or the diuretics will keep you in the bathroom every 5 min. (Exactly what happened to my father and a cancer scare)


29 posted on 02/17/2013 5:24:51 AM PST by mgist
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To: neverdem

I read that the body cant use more than 250mg VitC at one time.

Therefore, I take a 1000 tab and break in thirds - to take thruout the day.


30 posted on 02/17/2013 5:30:48 AM PST by PraiseTheLord (economic civil war ?)
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To: cynwoody

Yepper - their argument is like the already debunked bits about salt being a purveyor of high blood pressure and egss killing folks with cholesterol. They do a study or two that leaves out the vast majority of people and make assumptions that include same vast majority.


31 posted on 02/17/2013 5:34:06 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: cynwoody

kidney stones are from magnesium deficiency; calcium can’t dissolve if you don’t get enough mag so it crystalizes.


32 posted on 02/17/2013 5:36:26 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: neverdem
I used to take One-a-day vitamins every day. Got horrible Kidney stones. Still don't know the source of the stone, but this kind of makes sense. I'm not sure if the human body really needs supplements if you've never been sick from a lack of vitamins.

By the way, Kidney stones are nothing to joke about. I had to have surgery to remove mine, which resulted in a second surgery to undo the damage from the first surgery. I had several follow up trips to the emergency room to be cathetered for the internal rip in my penis and then self cathetered myself for a year following surgery to prevent scar tissue from blocking my penis shut. Total nightmare scenario.

33 posted on 02/17/2013 5:43:10 AM PST by Lowcountry (RIP: Peterdanbrokaw)
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To: cynwoody
Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.

Agree. C is one nutrient you will die without and a nutrient the human body can't produce, unlike animals. Taking C causes kidney stones is bunk, but it will put lead in your pencil!

C actually improves kidney and other organ functions, including skin and the ability for your body to repair itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nds_7_fl614

34 posted on 02/17/2013 5:51:27 AM PST by Errant
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To: mlizzy

Tums, and all antacids, block your absorption of magnesium. Kidney stones are a sign of mag deficiency.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 5:59:30 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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To: All
Some of the best info on vitamin C ever, about 15 mins into this Trunews broadcast on June 5, 2012 (Guest: Dr. Andrew Saul):

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/m3u/6_05_12_tuesday_trunews2.m3u

36 posted on 02/17/2013 6:12:41 AM PST by Errant
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To: Lowcountry
I used to take One-a-day vitamins every day. Got horrible Kidney stones. Still don't know the source of the stone, but this kind of makes sense. I'm not sure if the human body really needs supplements if you've never been sick from a lack of vitamins.

Another kidney stone veteran here.

First at age 20, presumed excess calcium because I was drinking alot of milk in college.

Second set, age 54. Presumed cause was vitamin pills or the binders of them. Also could have been protein related during the Adkins diet craze. Fortunately they did not cause blockage and had descended.

Third set age 59. I almost requested an emergency landing on a DEN-JFK flight. Almost certain the cause was from excess tea drinking as that was the only change in diet. Lithotripsy turned these to sand at the Denver kidney stone center and they passed freely.

37 posted on 02/17/2013 6:14:36 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: Neoliberalnot
Linus died of cancer.

After living for 93 years.

38 posted on 02/17/2013 6:15:50 AM PST by Will88
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To: Neoliberalnot
3. Vit C is an antioxidant, having other health benefits.

Data supporting the claim that "anti-oxidants" have health benefits is very weak. Data is now emerging that suggests that oxygen and oxygen radicals have health benefits and depleting oxygen radicals is not good.

I give it 3 years for the FDA to nuke all those "anti-oxidant" health claims.

39 posted on 02/17/2013 6:26:42 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: neverdem
..calcium oxalate is the composition of about 80% of stones--had several bad attacks a few years ago
40 posted on 02/17/2013 6:39:25 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: neverdem

You are more likely to get a kidney stone from taking calcium without at least half the portion of magnesium along side it.


41 posted on 02/17/2013 6:49:04 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: cynwoody

Thank you! Vitamin C is the best vitamin supplement and the one with the least, if none, adverse reactions. Just the usual misinformation to try to curb vitamin use to keep you sick and on meds. The misinformants have realized the goyam are waking up to the benefits of this super nutrient.
I prefer the 1,000 mg powder stuff with zinc myself. High C!


42 posted on 02/17/2013 7:03:19 AM PST by hope_dies_last
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To: Will88

My grandfather never took supplements and died at 96 from pneumonia. Genetics?


43 posted on 02/17/2013 7:11:23 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: corkoman

Baloney. Show me the reference. Vit C is used therapeutically to prevent some toxins from doing oxidative damage to RBCs.


44 posted on 02/17/2013 7:13:44 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem

An important note is that those who take Vitamin C have to take a lot, and often, because it is water soluble and is quickly eliminated from the body, too quickly for it to be substantially absorbed at the cellular level except after taking it for a long time. This also creates the additional problem of acid upset, so a buffered version of Vitamin C is sold.

However, the way around this problem completely is to convert your water soluble Vitamin C into fat soluble Vitamin C. It will be absorbed better and stay in your body longer. While you can buy it this way, OTC, it is far more expensive, so it is much better to make your own.

It is called “Liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C”.

Here is a video how to make your own:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU—wadrMY


45 posted on 02/17/2013 7:23:54 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: neverdem

I’ve had an allergic reaction from taking too much Vit. C. Terrible itchy whelps across my entire torso.


46 posted on 02/17/2013 7:57:13 AM PST by WCH
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To: Neoliberalnot
My grandfather never took supplements and died at 96 from pneumonia. Genetics?

Who knows? And what caused Linus Pauling's prostate cancer in his 90s?

No one has all the answers concerning what is beneficial or detrimental in the areas of health and nutrition. It will be many more decades before such questions are answered.

And anyone claiming to have definitive answers about much of anything should be viewed with great skepticism. Studies such as this prove nothing. The occurences of kidney stones are very small both among the groups using or not using vitamin C. And there are many other dietary factors that could have affected the outcome.

People just have to use their own judgment and instinct because these debates have many more decades to run.

47 posted on 02/17/2013 8:09:04 AM PST by Will88
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Because of a cancer scare I take injectable vitamin c. Up to1cc daily. Not sure what it’s doing, but my skin looks great when take it. Absolutely no side effects.


48 posted on 02/17/2013 8:40:08 AM PST by mgist
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To: cynwoody

“Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.”

I hate to tell you but at Thanksgiving I contracted that nasty little upper respiratory virus thats going around. I was taking mega doses of vitamin C everyday for about 5 weeks and voila’ got kidney stones. I immediately stopped taking the C and started taking magnesium everyday until I finally got rid of them. If you take a magnesium pill everyday supposedly you will not get the kidney stones. I have started the Vitamin C again and so far so good.


49 posted on 02/17/2013 8:50:16 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DeaconRed

I know that.


50 posted on 02/17/2013 8:51:30 AM PST by shineon
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