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Pop Vitamin C Tablets, Get a Kidney Stone
Real Clear Science ^ | February 8, 2013 | Alex B. Berezow

Posted on 02/16/2013 11:50:50 PM PST by neverdem

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To: cynwoody

Nothing but your standard medical bullshit.
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3gm. in A.M. and 3 more grams in the P.M. When ill or under attack I’ll up it to bowel tolerance....depending on the degree of sickness that can be as much as 4X the daily. The sicker you are the more you need/tolerate.....read some about this recently but cannot source it at the moment. Likewise NO kidney problems.


51 posted on 02/17/2013 12:41:19 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Half black,-,half white.........A SKUNK?........................ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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To: cynwoody

Thank you! Vitamin C is the best vitamin supplement and the one with the least, if none, adverse reactions. Just the usual misinformation to try to curb vitamin use to keep you sick and on meds. The misinformants have realized the goyam are waking up to the benefits of this super nutrient.
I prefer the 1,000 mg powder stuff with zinc myself. High C!


52 posted on 02/17/2013 12:52:47 PM PST by hope_dies_last
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To: Secret Agent Man

... or an overactive parathyroid gland.


53 posted on 02/17/2013 1:33:34 PM PST by tarawa
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To: Neoliberalnot
Go ahead and eat your bologna and then try finding a randomized-controlled clinical trial that finds a significant effect of dietary "antioxidants".

Here is a recent one that found none: http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f10.

When searching the lay press for antioxidants you will be flooded with unfounded claims from the nutraceutical industry.

There are now several large controlled studies where none of the nutraceuticals were found to have a discernable affect. The FDA is now reviewing claims for dietary antioxidants and I would guess that within 2 years those claims will need clinical data to support those. You can believe what you want but those of use who favor actual data have a different perspective.

54 posted on 02/17/2013 2:18:09 PM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I take a half teaspons of baking soda to relieve heartburn

Make sure you closely monitor blood pressure if doing that more than once a week or so.

I've tried it; baking soda relieved the heartburn for only 45 seconds or so -- back to the PPI.

Have had a calcium oxalate kidney stone (don't wish one on my worst enemy), but to the best of my knowledge wasn't taking any significant supplemental C.

I just hope that higher dose (1000-2000 IU) D3 doesn't turn up some bad long-term effects.

55 posted on 02/17/2013 2:33:46 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: steve86
Make sure you closely monitor blood pressure if doing that more than once a week or so.

Does daily consumption of even a half teaspoon of baking soda elevate Blood pressure? I've always had normal levels......

56 posted on 02/17/2013 3:07:57 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: corkoman

Here is one from pub med. I don’t read the lay press. Been a biological scientist for a few decades. Antioxidant and co-antioxidant activity of vitamin C. The effect of vitamin C, either alone or in the presence of vitamin E or a water-soluble vitamin E analogue, upon the peroxidation of aqueous multilamellar phospholipid liposomes.
Doba T, Burton GW, Ingold KU.
Abstract
Thermally labile azo-initiators, dissolved in either the aqueous or lipid phase, have been used to generate peroxyl radicals at a known, steady rate in an aqueous dispersion of dilinoleoylphosphatidylcholine multilamellar liposomes at 37 degrees C in order to study the antioxidant behaviour of ascorbate itself and ascorbate in combination with either alpha-tocopherol or a water-soluble alpha-tocopherol analogue (TROLOX(-]. It is found that ascorbate is an effective inhibitor of peroxidations initiated in the aqueous phase, with each ascorbate terminating 0.6 radical chains (i.e., n = 0.6), but it is a very poor inhibitor of peroxidations initiated in the lipid phase. Peroxidations initiated in the lipid-phase in the presence of either alpha-tocopherol or TROLOX(-) indicate that ascorbate is an excellent synergist with both phenolic antioxidants (n = 0.4). In peroxidations initiated in the aqueous phase ascorbate acts as a co-antioxidant with TROLOX(-) (n = 0.7), but the interpretation of the approximately additive effect obtained in the presence of alpha-tocopherol is complicated by the fact that under the experimental conditions employed alpha-tocopherol alone does not give a distinct, measurable inhibition period. The latter problem is shown to be due to a non-uniform distribution of the water-soluble initiator within the liposome. Other examples of the complicating effects of non-uniform distributions of reactants in kinetic studies of the autoxidation of organic substrates dispersed in water are described.
PMID: 4005285 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


57 posted on 02/17/2013 4:47:39 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: cynwoody

I concur, this is BS. Complete, total, smoking BS.


58 posted on 02/17/2013 5:12:56 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: Neoliberalnot

Try again - but this time stick to the issue - show us any controlled clinical study demonstrating a significant effect from any of the antioxidants.


59 posted on 02/18/2013 6:38:18 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: corkoman
Go to pubmed and look for yourself. I am not here to do your literature search for you. I do understand chemical reactions and living systems mechanisms. Ascorbate usually acts as an antioxidant when doses are reasonable. It typically reacts with potent reactive oxygen species, such as the hydroxyl radical formed from hydrogen peroxide. Such radicals are damaging to animals and plants at the molecular level due to their possible interaction with nucleic acids, proteins, and lipids. Sometimes these radicals initiate chain reactions. Ascorbate can terminate these chain radical reactions by electron transfer. Ascorbic acid is special because it can transfer a single electron, owing to the stability of its own radical ion called "semidehydroascorbate", dehydroascorbate. The net reaction is: RO • + C6H7O6- → ROH + C6H6O6• - On the other hand, excessive or toxic doses of Vit C can actually initiate free radical formation and damage. The mega dose proponents don't want to hear this, but every substance is toxic and just a matter of dose.
60 posted on 02/18/2013 7:14:08 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Go to pubmed and look for yourself. I am not here to do your literature search for you

You can do better than that - don't give up! You sound like a bright person.

I gave you a reference to a recent clinical study that showed no affect of antioxidants. You assert that antioxidants are effective. Well OK but as you have noticed, here at FR when you make an assertion you might be asked to provide some backup - like right now. Either admit that you just BELEIVE that antioxidants work or admit that there is no basis in fact for this claim.

It's called rationale thought and is what separates us from magical thinking.

61 posted on 02/18/2013 8:06:11 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: DeaconRed

This just in:
EVERYBODY YES EVERYBODY who eats carrots will DIE.

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Correct, Deacon, Everybody who eats will die.


62 posted on 02/21/2013 7:41:37 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: cynwoody

I met someone yesterday who told me that he has a chronic kidney stone problem. His body produces more ________, (can’t remember the name, I think it was somehing like oxycrystals) than the normal person.


63 posted on 02/23/2013 5:09:41 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: mgist

Do you have to get those from a doctor?


64 posted on 02/23/2013 9:03:36 PM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: diamond6

Usually, but few traditional doctors treat with vitamins. So it has to be a homeopathic doctor, a friend in the pharmacy, or an overseas pharmacy.


65 posted on 02/24/2013 3:37:23 AM PST by mgist
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