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LA Times Questions LAPD over Burning House
LA Times via Breitbart ^ | 17 Feb 2013 | William Bigelow

Posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:28 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron

The Los Angeles Times, ever eager to implicate the LAPD in anything it can get its hands on, is now questioning whether the use of a strong tear gas that can cause a fire was the right tactic for the LAPD when they cornered alleged murderer and cop-killer Christian Dorner.

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Never mind that night was about to fall and Dorner, hiding in a cabin near Big Bear Lake, had not given any evidence that he would surrender, even after numerous loudspeaker calls for him to give up. Never mind that there was a possibility that the former LAPD cop might have night goggles, and could have murdered more police officers if he escaped. Never mind that he was still in the cabin despite previous tear gas attempts to drive him out. Never mind that a demolition vehicle tore down most of the walls, thus leaving the interior exposed. Never mind that Dorner was still firing at officers, as one officer said, “Any time they moved, this guy was shooting.”

Some new info....

Loud speaker warnings, night vision goggles??

Just minutes after the more powerful tear gas was used, the cabin was on fire.

For a few particular FReepers out there, NO, I DO NOT SUPPORT DORNER OR HIS ACTIONS!

I do question the precedent of police burning houses to get their suspects though when it is obvious it was their intent to kill all along.

1 posted on 02/17/2013 7:14:36 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron
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To: Las Vegas Ron

oh sure NOW they question authority


2 posted on 02/17/2013 7:18:15 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I can hear the environmental freaks now..how dare the LAPD use tear gas, can you imagine the carbon emissions that lets off..then Darryl Hannah will come on TV demanding that instead of tear gas, they use canisters filled with pixie sticks


3 posted on 02/17/2013 7:19:37 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I heard a spokeswoman for the San Bernadino Sheriff's Dept. say on TV that they call that type of tear gas "burners" because they know it is flammable. FWIW.

I'm pretty sure the FBI knows it too.

4 posted on 02/17/2013 7:20:34 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
All I have to say is, that's one heck of a fireproof mushroom in that photo.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 7:21:09 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I thought the LAPD wasn’t at the cabin? /s


6 posted on 02/17/2013 7:21:57 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
I thought the LAPD wasn’t at the cabin? /s

I've been wondering and have been meaning to ask, how can LAPD be in San bernandino's jurisdiction?

I'm not suggesting anything but LA vs Big Bear is at least 3 hours away.

Is that common practice, do you know?

7 posted on 02/17/2013 7:27:40 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’m sure there’s some kind of formal process for it.


8 posted on 02/17/2013 7:30:30 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Never mind that Dorner was still firing at officers, as one officer said, “Any time they moved, this guy was shooting.

How can a man trapped inside a cabin with presumably 1,000 rifles trained upon him even poke his head in a window without getting it blown off?

We're to believe he could pop up, set sights and fire without being shot?

9 posted on 02/17/2013 7:33:53 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I know what ya’ mean, Ron. You don’t have to agree with the perp....but it’s the principle of how Fedzilla (or local law enforcement) is handling situation and setting a precedent.


10 posted on 02/17/2013 7:35:08 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“What difference does it make...?!?!!”

“JUST WHAT DO YOU THINK IS BEING COVERED UP HERE...?!”

“You guys are running out of things to ask...!”

(see how easy that is?)


11 posted on 02/17/2013 7:36:08 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Las Vegas Ron
San Bernardino is a different county generally to the East of LA. Some MSM stories said LAPD had members present but SB cops were doing the stuff.

These people are all technically speaking CA government employees so WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE. Dorner is dead as a door nail, and THAT'S A GOOD THING.

12 posted on 02/17/2013 7:37:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Is that common practice, do you know?

I'm sure someone will follow up with the specifics, but CA LEOs are sworn at the State level. There is a lot of inter-agency this and that. I know officers from other cities transit through my town to the county court house and they will make traffic stops outside their own city.

13 posted on 02/17/2013 7:38:40 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: driftdiver
I’m sure there’s some kind of formal process for it.

Yeah, for an incident like this you're probably right.

17 posted on 02/17/2013 7:39:09 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Yikes! New iPad. Gotta watch that post button. Sorry!


18 posted on 02/17/2013 7:39:55 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

This guy’s worshipers will find a message in it, no doubt.


19 posted on 02/17/2013 7:40:20 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: gaijin

The police should answer the questions until the people run out of questions.

(see how easy that is?)


20 posted on 02/17/2013 7:41:02 PM PST by DManA
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To: muawiyah

Yes its a good thing he was stopped, darn good thing.

Not so sure the tactics and handling were a good thing though.


21 posted on 02/17/2013 7:41:29 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Did the El Lay Times have any questions re Benghazi?


22 posted on 02/17/2013 7:42:19 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: DManA

Oh cmon, public agencies shouldn’t held to public scrutiny, thats insane.


23 posted on 02/17/2013 7:43:07 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: muawiyah
"Dorner is dead as a door nail..."

That's just what THEY want you to think.

Actually, he was just seen working at a car wash in Michigan.

24 posted on 02/17/2013 7:43:34 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
I'm sure someone will follow up with the specifics, but CA LEOs are sworn at the State level. There is a lot of inter-agency this and that. I know officers from other cities transit through my town to the county court house and they will make traffic stops outside their own city.

Wow, I didn't know that I am born and bred in So. Cal.

My Dad told me stories of how when he was a kid they used to mess with the cops (just kids stuff) and would cross the line into Burbank.

The cops couldn't cross the line, wonder when it all changed?

25 posted on 02/17/2013 7:46:25 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: DManA
The police should answer the questions until the people run out of questions

Nah, I agree with you completely. In fact I was mad, and making a (very) veiled reference to Bengazi, and the way the authorities treat ANY questions about there as being weird.

Sorry --it was just weighing heavily on my mind at that point, and I blurted that out, totally out of context.

26 posted on 02/17/2013 7:48:45 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Vince Ferrer

On second look, it isn’t a mushroom. Originally it looked like a large oyster mushroom, but not I see is is a statue of a small child angel type thing.


27 posted on 02/17/2013 7:52:23 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: driftdiver

notice how easy it is to recycle the stock phrases used by leftwingtard female celebrities ~ but I wonder if there’s a celebrity behind ‘crispy critter’ ~ which seems so terribly appropriate.


28 posted on 02/17/2013 7:54:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

I believe you are correct. Having listened to the scanner feed for the best part of the four days my recollection was the DFW and SBSD were on the scene with SBSD having the lead. At one point LAPD had 20 officers at the airport who were told to stand by and that SBSD had enough manpower on the scene. I never heard the LAPD officers called in.


29 posted on 02/17/2013 7:56:33 PM PST by amom
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To: Las Vegas Ron
The question I am asking and they should be asking is the cost in manhours and dollars to find this one somewhat trained psyco.

We know there are collateral losses that will have to be paid for.

Seems like one man with a little training, some weapons, and an attitude costs a whole lot to resolve. And it doesn't get resolved quickly.

That's the take-away from the hot wash, anyway.

/johnny

30 posted on 02/17/2013 7:57:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I often am a critic of the cops and they didn’t do very well on this one either such as shooting at innocent people who didn’t remotely fit the description

However once it was known he had killed several people and made no claim to have done anything else, He was bought and paid for. Unless he came out with his hands in the air they had every right and duty to kill him while he was still trying to kill more.


31 posted on 02/17/2013 7:57:44 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Wow, I didn't know that I am born and bred in So. Cal.

Should read: Wow, I didn't know that, and I am born and bred in So. Cal.

32 posted on 02/17/2013 7:57:58 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: gaijin

Ah, now I see it.

Be well.


33 posted on 02/17/2013 8:08:37 PM PST by DManA
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To: Vince Ferrer

Not to worry, that angel looks like a fungi...


34 posted on 02/17/2013 8:09:44 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The taxpayers saved millions in trial and incarceration by Dorner being terminated right where he was discovered. Let us not forget he was a cruel cowardly mass murderer. Given this, I could care less if he was burned out or shot to death or committed suicide. He wanted to DIE HARD and he got it.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 8:10:37 PM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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A question one might ask is why the print media published the manifesto...leaving out not just names but also complete paragraphs. Why then say they were only removing names to protect those people? Had I not stumbled across a comment with a link to the complete manifesto I might never have known what I was given by the media was only a portion.


36 posted on 02/17/2013 8:21:48 PM PST by amom
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Link to the complete manifesto.

http://youviewed.com/2013/02/08/the-complete-christopher-dornan-manifesto/


37 posted on 02/17/2013 8:26:57 PM PST by amom
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Remember, they had the FAA close off the whole area before anything happened - no news crews choppers were allowed anywhere near it, supposedly to “protect” them. I thought that suspicious. I knew then that Dorner wasn’t coming out alive, no matter what (not that I cared, either).


38 posted on 02/17/2013 8:39:42 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: dennisw

*shrug* We could balance the budget if the police used this method on every suspect.

Bullets are cheap, and the government has purchased billions of hollow points...


39 posted on 02/17/2013 8:44:26 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Were the LAPD/SBPD to say “h3ll, yea! (and point out that the BATFE/FBI honed the tactic at Waco,) I’d have a lot more respect for them.


40 posted on 02/17/2013 8:48:01 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Me too. I wouldn’t like it, but I would respect the honesty, something near extinct at any level of government, or in society as a whole for that matter.


41 posted on 02/17/2013 8:51:57 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Paladin2

“Oderint dum metuant”


42 posted on 02/17/2013 8:54:10 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Paladin2

My takeaway from this is that I need to get an AR10 .308 with great optics and practice, practice, practice.


43 posted on 02/17/2013 9:26:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Las Vegas Ron

LAPD was not involved, the SBSD was the lead agency and it was their officer that DumbA** shot and killed SBSD used two types of teargas DUMBA** shot hinself as the fire started, anyone who believes the LA Times.. well just saying


44 posted on 02/17/2013 10:00:19 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Why is the party of abortion, death panels and drone strikes so worried?

Dorner will be voting for decades to come.


45 posted on 02/17/2013 10:44:23 PM PST by NoLibZone (We have the nation we deserve. I predict Freepers will hate GOP Candidates for 2016,2020,2024,2028,)
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To: dennisw

Between the claims that all the people shot up by LAPD, and the claims of the people who owned the property that the SBCSD burned to the ground, and the investigation into what Dorner was talking about in his manifesto, the taxpayers aren’t saving one thin dime.

The police agencies in California have now shown themselves to be utterly incompetent - from their recruiting policies to their execution of manhunts, they’re worse than mere anarchy.


46 posted on 02/18/2013 12:27:23 AM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

untrue....trial and incarceration would have cost the taxpayers millions more on top of what you mentioned plus we will send you out to LA to recruit and train their PD


47 posted on 02/18/2013 3:33:36 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: null and void
*shrug* We could balance the budget if the police used this method on every suspect.

Heck we could close down all the jails and courts too. Think of the money we could save.

48 posted on 02/18/2013 4:05:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: null and void

You might have noticed that this psycho-killer was well out of the parameters of your unusual murderer. LAPD complaned about bleeding millions dollars each day while in pursuit of him. Taxpayers getting reamed of course to pay for all this overtime etc.

Police taking extraordinary measures to termainate an extraordinary killer who no doubt was and is inspiring copy cats.... The way he was killed (burned out) will serve as a warning to potential imitators


49 posted on 02/18/2013 5:58:38 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: dennisw

“Police taking extraordinary measures to termainate an extraordinary killer who no doubt was and is inspiring copy cats.... The way he was killed (burned out) will serve as a warning to potential imitators”

I’m sure the national news, 2000 cops, and going out in a blaze of ‘glory’ will prevent other whackos from repeating. Or not.


50 posted on 02/18/2013 9:04:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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