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Feds buying enough bullets for '24-year war'
WorldNetDaily ^ | Feb 18, 2013 | Drew Zahn

Posted on 02/18/2013 3:10:44 AM PST by wesagain

"Radio host warns: DHS preparing for prolonged riots in U.S."

Federal, non-military agencies, noted radio host Mark Levin last week, have purchased enough ammunition recently to not only shoot every American five times, but also engage in a prolonged, domestic war.

The numbers are based on recent reports that put the total federal ammunition buy in the last 10 months at approaching two billion rounds.

“To provide some perspective,” Levin noted, “experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million rounds per month. At that rate, the [Department of Homeland Security] is armed now for a 24-year Iraq war. A 24-year Iraq war!”

What do federal agencies need with all that ammunition?

The government’s only official explanation for the massive ammo buy is that law enforcement agents in the respective agencies need the bullets for “mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions.”

The staggering number and lack of details in the official explanation, however, has led to rampant speculation, including concerns the DHS is arming itself to fight off insurrection among Americans.

“I’m going to tell you what I think is going on,” Levin offered. “I don’t think domestic insurrection. Law enforcement and national security agencies, they play out multiple scenarios. … I’ll tell you what I think they’re simulating: the collapse of our financial system, the collapse of our society and the potential for widespread violence, looting, killing in the streets, because that’s what happens when an economy collapses.

“I suspect that just in case our fiscal situation, our monetary situation, collapses, and following it the civil society collapses, that is the rule of law, they want to be prepared,” Levin said. “I know why the government’s arming up: It’s not because there’s going to be an insurrection; it’s........

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 02/18/2013 3:10:50 AM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain

Wrong conspiracy theory. They’re buying up vast quantities of ammo to drive up prices and ultimately drying up the market for it, in line with Obama’s “we can’t wait”/”We’ll take administrative action” strategy against the 2nd Amendment. They figured out that they can’t ban or confiscate guns directly, but that they can get at the ammo.


2 posted on 02/18/2013 3:14:25 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: holdonnow

PING!


3 posted on 02/18/2013 3:15:24 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

BINGO.

You said it better than I was gonna do.


4 posted on 02/18/2013 3:16:32 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: wesagain
Is Obama trying to provoke a Civil War so he can play the part of Lincoln?
He has already made that comparison and recently.

5 posted on 02/18/2013 3:20:16 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: wesagain

...probably will sit in a govt storage warehouse - some of it will get pilfered by workers - and ultimately when (and if) there’s a change in the political environment - will sell the bulk ammo to the public for ridiculous low prices...


6 posted on 02/18/2013 3:20:53 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: wesagain

A government by the people and for the people does not exist. It has been hyjacked


7 posted on 02/18/2013 3:21:53 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Lexington and Concord Americans experience thier first gun grab attempt)
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To: Timber Rattler

It would have been a good trick, had they not overstepped their plan in the wake of Newtown by hysterically calling for everything but full confiscation of all guns.

Instead of a progressive sopping up of the ammo market, they succeeded in alarming gun owners everywhere and new gun owners into buying up anything and everything ‘bullet’.

Now, the government is competing for production, and the rock bottom prices they thought they were getting from these bulk purchases won’t be rock-bottom any more. Manufacturers have already figured their wares will bring a higher price from civilians. I’ll be more than one ammo manufacturer is looking for an excuse to just cancel the orders and put that stuff on the open market. It will sell for more than what this governmnet will pay for it.


8 posted on 02/18/2013 3:22:03 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Timber Rattler

I don’t buy it. The shortage creates more demand. The higher prices creates greater supply. 0bama doesn’t understand the free market so that may be his goal but it won’t work.


9 posted on 02/18/2013 3:25:53 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: wesagain
How many FEDERAL AGENTS do we arm anyway???
10 posted on 02/18/2013 3:29:08 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: wesagain

The Loyalist militia will require guns and ammo. They haven’t been stocking up like the rest of us.


11 posted on 02/18/2013 3:34:54 AM PST by steveyp
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To: wesagain

sounds like a reversal. will their be a ‘confederate’ John Brown at Harpers Ferry?


12 posted on 02/18/2013 3:43:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: wesagain

I’d love to see a chart of the history of Federal government purchases of ammunition, broken out into military and non-military.

And by the way, where in the Constitution is the federal government given authority to establish national police forces?


13 posted on 02/18/2013 3:46:02 AM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: wesagain

Someone is putting out information to scare the public into buying weapons and ammunition. Those selling those items are going to be so wealthy, they can take their money and move elsewhere when the mess being created here blows up. Sheer genius.


14 posted on 02/18/2013 4:31:33 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: motor_racer

To: wesagain
...probably will sit in a govt storage warehouse - some of it will get pilfered by workers - and ultimately when (and if) there’s a change in the political environment - will sell the bulk ammo to the public for ridiculous low prices...

I hope you’re correct as I have a need for some extra .40 cal ammo. Can’t wait for the sell-off.


15 posted on 02/18/2013 4:33:59 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Timber Rattler

Like solving obesity by buying up the potato chip supply. Dumb theory.


16 posted on 02/18/2013 4:37:25 AM PST by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Probably both.


17 posted on 02/18/2013 4:45:23 AM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: wesagain

Our tax dollars at work. Shameful.


18 posted on 02/18/2013 5:08:29 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: FatherofFive
No, remember back in 2005 and 2006 when the military was buying up as many rounds on the civilian market as it could because of the chaos in Iraq. Ammo prices (temporarily) increased, and there were empty shelves at Walmart for the traditionally military calibers. Even Cheaper than Dirt and Cabelas had shortages because the ammo was going straight from the factories to Uncle Sam. I have no doubt that the would-be gun grabbers at the time were paying close attention and are now applying lessons learned.

Pass The Ammunition: Army Taking Action on Small-Cal Shortages

Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan Hit Home With Ammunition Shortage for Police Departments

19 posted on 02/18/2013 5:19:41 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: FatherofFive
The higher prices creates greater supply.

There aren't that many ammunition factories left though. That's why there was a bottleneck in production in 2005-2007 when the military ran short and started buying every bullet it could contract for.

20 posted on 02/18/2013 5:23:30 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: BCW

I pedict a break-in will occur at some point


21 posted on 02/18/2013 5:26:28 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: BCW

I pedict a break-in will occur at some point


22 posted on 02/18/2013 5:26:48 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: wesagain
It can't be for “mandatory training”, because those agencies don't have that many armed staff.

The Federal buys are making it difficult for State and local law enforcement to acquire ammo.

Since the general public is 3rd in line, this has a long term effect of drying up supply.

They are unaware of the number of folks who've planned ahead.

I'm also not worried about the Fed's training a bunch of desk jockeys, to act as some brown shirt squad.

23 posted on 02/18/2013 5:40:22 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: FatherofFive
I don’t buy it. The shortage creates more demand. The higher prices creates greater supply. 0bama doesn’t understand the free market so that may be his goal but it won’t work.

You are correct. The shortage of ammo is NOT due to a lack of production or government demand. The supply side of the equation is plusher than it has ever been. Bottom line, retailers are continuing to sell volumes of ammo greater than ever before.

There is a shortage due to civilian demand, which has skyrocketed and is not abaiting. Gunstores have sold boxes of ammo that have been setting on the shelves for years, at the same time that they are selling new ammo by the pallet.

It is no different than what you see at grocery stores before a big storm hits.

The American people have taken a good look at the forecast and firmly believe that a major storm is on its way. They are simply preparing. This is in fact a very positive sign. No tyrant likes to see their enemy stockpiling millions of bunkers.

24 posted on 02/18/2013 5:40:51 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: wesagain

I haven’t clicked your link yet but I will hazard a short answer to the question: TOO DAMN MANY!!!


25 posted on 02/18/2013 5:51:59 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: wesagain
Can someone tell me the “shelf life” of a case of ammo?
26 posted on 02/18/2013 5:52:14 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: wesagain

“Feds buying enough bullets for ‘24-year war’”

Americans have enough bullets to drill every DHS employee 476,000 times.


27 posted on 02/18/2013 5:52:29 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: FatherofFive

You are right, but try and tell that to people that have convinced themselves otherwise.

The limited number of calibers of ammo they are buying and the very specific specs for the ammo wouldn’t create a shortage in anything but that specific ammo in the specific caliber from that specific company that mfg. the specific ammo.

If this is to be delivered over a 5 year period, while still troubling because of the ammo specs, it’s just a drop in the bucket compared to the overall amount of ammo produced.

The shortage in all types of ammo is because the American people that never felt a “want” to own a gun before now feel a “need” to own a gun and are buying and they need ammo to go with it.

People that were smart enough to already own a gun are buying ammo in every caliber.

The American people aren’t idiots, they sense something is seriously wrong and it is getting worse and it is getting worse by design.


28 posted on 02/18/2013 6:02:49 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Mister Da
About a hundred years or so, give or take, assuming proper storage in a dry, cool place.

At least that's what I've heard.

29 posted on 02/18/2013 6:04:52 AM PST by OKSooner ("Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!!")
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To: wesagain

30 posted on 02/18/2013 6:08:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mister Da

Depending on what you have and how you store it. I still shoot ammo made in the 1930’s.


31 posted on 02/18/2013 6:12:27 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Mister Da
Look for this on the case:

Expires: "Don't worry about it"

32 posted on 02/18/2013 6:14:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Timber Rattler
Wrong conspiracy theory. They’re buying up vast quantities of ammo to drive up prices and ultimately drying up the market for it, in line with Obama’s “we can’t wait”/”We’ll take administrative action” strategy against the 2nd Amendment. They figured out that they can’t ban or confiscate guns directly, but that they can get at the ammo.

It'd be interesting to know which companies were the winning bidders for each of these contracts. There are only so many manufacturers and each can only set up to make a limited range of calibers on each production line. This theory may have been more successful than anyone is guessing - or it may have huge holes in it.

Sometimes FedBizOps lists "interested vendors"; don't know if it follows through with the winning company's name.

33 posted on 02/18/2013 6:16:06 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: wesagain

It’s part of year 3 of the first 5-year plan, when the gov’t will harvest the rats, crows, and squirrels we will need for food.


34 posted on 02/18/2013 6:24:06 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Wrong conspiracy theory. They’re buying up vast quantities of ammo to drive up prices and ultimately drying up the market for it, in line with Obama’s “we can’t wait”/”We’ll take administrative action” strategy against the 2nd Amendment. They figured out that they can’t ban or confiscate guns directly, but that they can get at the ammo.”

BINGO!

The gun grabbers has figured out that the way to limit firearms use is to greatly increase costs to gun owners through high taxing and new fees at all levels of government against firearm manufactures, ammunition manufactures, dealers, related suppliers and firearm owners.

Read the following article if you dare and have a barf bucket near by. But this is what is being planned for us by Fed, state and local governments.

Lewis Diuguid: To reduce gun ownership, just tax the weapons
Jan 30, 2013 |

“Americans will never surrender their lust for guns. That unwavering attachment to guns should make every gun and bullet subject to federal, state, county and municipal taxes in addition to sales taxes. Think of the bonanza governments could reap.”.....

http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20130131/OPINION05/301310021/Lewis-Diuguid-reduce-gun-ownership-just-tax-weapons


35 posted on 02/18/2013 6:28:12 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Timber Rattler

Concur


36 posted on 02/18/2013 6:28:45 AM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: G Larry
I'm also not worried about the Fed's training a bunch of desk jockeys, to act as some brown shirt squad.

Training is definitely a component, though. That DHS contract for 7000 "Personal Defense Weapons" has a training clause in the statement of work, even including several "cutaway" examples of the firearms to be used by instructors.

I believe the military uses similar things during basic training.

37 posted on 02/18/2013 6:30:24 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: MrB; IMR 4350; OKSooner
Thanks folks! Ya’’ll are faster than the Internet!

I guess those expiration dates don't tell us anything about when they intend to use this ammo.

Could it be that DHS knew Obama’s gun control policies would drive up the cost of ammo?

Which Obama supporters profited from such a big sale?

I tend to agree with Levin. Insurrection is less likely BEFORE financial collapse & societal chaos, but very possible after such a collapse. Not a national insurrection, but a regional & local one, where communities band together to end the chaos, while ignoring the Feds. Secession could be a possibility.

The problems of the Feds will be much more than local insurrections, financial collapse, & chaos. As the world monetary system is based on the Dollar, world financial collapse is inevitable. Many nations holding US debt & Dollars will be outraged. Retaliation is possible, as is World War.

38 posted on 02/18/2013 6:46:49 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Timber Rattler

That theory only holds true if they were the significant purchasers of the ammo. The fact is, We the People are stocking up at an even greater rate. People are not stocking up some kind of personal collection, they are preparing for war. My estimate is that we are buying ammo at a 100:1 ratio over the feds. I know guys that have purchased over 1,000 cases and have built arms rooms into their new homes. Many people across the country have at least 10 cases, and I can’t tell you how many people I personally know that have at least 30-50 cases worth. We the People dwarf the feds in ammo stocks.


39 posted on 02/18/2013 6:53:20 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: wesagain

obama thinks he can break the will of the American people by an arms race.


40 posted on 02/18/2013 7:32:57 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Mister Da
It's not to drive up prices or cause a shortage see my comment #28.

I believe you are right about the fraud. Dems never do anything without fraud being built right in.

I also agree this ammo is intended for the expected need for use, not as practice ammo.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm starting to get this funny feeling on the back of my neck I've been here before when I was a kid during the Cuban missile crisis.

During the Cuban missile crisis plan were being made to evacuate every city within reach of the missiles.

They were expecting mass panic and the military started shipping surplus guns and ammo to the small towns outside the major cities. IIRC, were I live outside Houston it was stored in the basement of the courthouse.

Castro is the one that wanted to fire the damn things, the Russians knew the mass panic alone would destroy the country and they wouldn't have to fire them and face a response from the US and other countries.

Several years ago there was talk of what was called America Hiroshima, multiple dirty bombs in different cities.

Thanks to the Zippo adm. the terrorist now have their hands on the bio./nuclear material to make the weapons and carry it out.

41 posted on 02/18/2013 7:43:05 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Timber Rattler

IMO, the causation is both due to a projected personnel ramp up in FLEA agencies, especially with IRS/DHS/FEMA; and tamping down availability of ammo to the general public to consolidate power to those agencies in the name of “public safety”. Both reasons complement each other in the big ammo buy.


42 posted on 02/18/2013 8:03:29 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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