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Lewis Diuguid: To reduce gun ownership, tax weapons like property (Barf alert)
Kansascity.com ^ | Jan 30, 2013 | Lewis W. Diuguid

Posted on 02/18/2013 6:40:21 AM PST by KeyLargo

Americans will never surrender their lust for guns.

Written by Lewis W. Diuguid

For a lot of people, one is never enough and bigger is always better. That includes magazines that hold more rounds. The .22-caliber, bolt-action rifle that I learned to shoot at age 11 as a Boy Scout is insufficient.

The revolvers my grandfather carried every day to his job as a railroad brakeman and that my dad inherited are so 19th century. Today’s firearms have to give law-abiding gun owners a bigger advantage over “bad guys.”

That lust for guns is why President Obama will find it tough getting Congress to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, expand background checks and implement tougher gun-trafficking laws.

Liberal gun laws enable gun owners to be licensed to carry the weapons concealed, and some cities let people openly carry firearms.

The U.S. ranks No. 1 globally in private gun ownership, with 270 million guns in civilian hands, or 88.8 firearms per 100 people. U.S. law enforcement officers only have 897,400 firearms; the military, 3.1 million.

Americans are as addicted to guns as smokers are to cigarettes; as adults are to beer, wine and hard liquor; as gamblers are to slots, lottery tickets and the roll of the dice; and as most of us are to our cars, boats, campers and trailers.

That unwavering attachment to guns should make every gun and bullet subject to federal, state, county and municipal taxes in addition to sales taxes. Think of the bonanza governments could reap.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; congress; democrats; guncontrol; mediabias; obama; scotus; secondamendment; statesrights; taxes; teaparty; tyranny
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And liberals will never surrender their assault on our Second Amendment Right.

The gun grabbers has figured out that the way to limit firearms use is to greatly increase costs to gun owners through high taxing and new fees at all levels of government against firearm manufactures, ammunition manufactures, dealers, related suppliers and firearm owners.

1 posted on 02/18/2013 6:40:27 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Guns? What guns?


2 posted on 02/18/2013 6:42:11 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: KeyLargo

I’m not going to pay you or anyone like you a f***ing penny, Lewis.

Owning a gun is my God given right, and it doesn’t have one thing to do with you.


3 posted on 02/18/2013 6:45:10 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: KeyLargo

"During the Obama presidential campaign he drew national attention for a column saying anyone who said Obama was a socialist was a racist. His "socialist is racist code language for black" comments were blasted by Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators as an example of some journalists who were making everything racial during the campaign."

4 posted on 02/18/2013 6:46:22 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Hey, according to John Roberts this is perfectly legitimate.


5 posted on 02/18/2013 6:48:49 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: KeyLargo

I suggest we tax journalists.


6 posted on 02/18/2013 6:48:49 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: KeyLargo

Been tried before. Unconstitutional..........


7 posted on 02/18/2013 6:49:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: KeyLargo

Does he also support a poll tax on voting?


8 posted on 02/18/2013 6:51:55 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: KeyLargo

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/shocking-obama-justice-dept-memo-assault-weapons-ban-wont-work-without-confiscation-and-gun-registration-video/

One way or another, they are trying get our guns. It is a matter of how.


9 posted on 02/18/2013 6:51:57 AM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter)
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To: KeyLargo

My dream is to see ALL Property Taxes eliminated. Maybe this idea will facilitate my dream to come true?


10 posted on 02/18/2013 6:53:03 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: NittanyLion

Public Finance

Gun Taxes and State Revenues

A handful of states and localities are considering gun and ammunition taxes. Is there any state and local revenue in this approach?

BY: Penelope Lemov | February 14, 2013

Penelope Lemov is a GOVERNING correspondent. She was GOVERNING’s health columnist and was senior editor for several award-winning features.

Bullet Tax Proposals Reemerge in Gun Control Debate

Last October, Cook County, Ill., Board President Toni Preckwinkle asked the county council to tax ammunition — a nickel a bullet. The idea wasn’t exactly laughed out of legislative corridors — it was projected to raise $400,000 a year after all — but Preckwinkle ultimately withdrew her bullet tax. She also pushed for a $25-per-gun tax on firearms sales. In February, that tax became law, with projections that it would raise $600,000 this year alone.

By passing the gun tax, Cook County, the third most populous county in the country (which also includes much of Chicago), became the first large U.S. jurisdiction to approve such a measure, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Preckwinkle’s motivation for both the gun and the ammunition taxes was to provide more money to help the county address the costly fallout from such crime. It costs the county’s health system $52,000 per patient to care for victims of gun violence — and last year there were 670 victims needing county care.

In that sense, Preckwinkle is linking a gun or ammunition tax to excise taxes, which usually redress specific societal costs associated with the product being assessed. In the eyes of three Harvard University professors, such a form of taxation has a long — and successful — public health history. “We tax items with negative externalities,” says Dr. David Hemenway, professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health. Hemenway, along with two Harvard physicians, recently authored a paper in the Journal of American Medical Association called “Curbing Gun Violence: Lessons From Public Health Successes.”

http://www.governing.com/columns/public-finance/col-guns-money-states-localities-taxes.html


11 posted on 02/18/2013 6:53:30 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

What is it about the press that draws the bottom of the IQ barrel?

I can see why they like to hang around politicians - like draws like.

In any case, shove it up your smelly Obama, Lewis D. We’re awaiting any action from you trolls...and you will most certainly see a reaction.


12 posted on 02/18/2013 6:53:45 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: KeyLargo
"That lust for guns"

The only lust is for confiscation.

13 posted on 02/18/2013 6:54:30 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: KeyLargo

By his own reasoning it sounds to me like he wants people to lose their rights to property as well.


14 posted on 02/18/2013 6:55:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Paladin2

And confiscation is only a means to the real end of total control over the people.


15 posted on 02/18/2013 6:56:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: KeyLargo

To tax to is to control. What part of shall not infringe do you not understand?


16 posted on 02/18/2013 6:58:01 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: KeyLargo

This brings to mind a very common idea that governments on all levels use...

It is called a “sin tax.” Cigarettes, alcohol etc.

It is a bad thing...so a tax is used to ‘punish’ the user, purchaser, owner...

So the author of this aritcle wants to tax..sin tax...your God given Right to defend yourself or overthrow tyranny.


17 posted on 02/18/2013 6:58:16 AM PST by EBH ( The 2nd Amendment exists for times like this.)
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To: KeyLargo

the stamp tax reborn.

This is one tax that is about amending the constitution by making individual rights prohibitivly expensive.

Poll tax or no vote?
Free speech tax or no comentary?
Subpoena tax to no right to search and seizure protection?

This proposal is pure evil.


18 posted on 02/18/2013 6:58:35 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KeyLargo

19 posted on 02/18/2013 6:59:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: KeyLargo

In the first place, by what right does government tax property?


20 posted on 02/18/2013 7:01:15 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: KeyLargo
Good morning.

If the shtf, journalists should be high up on the target list.

5.56mm

21 posted on 02/18/2013 7:03:43 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: KeyLargo
Americans will never surrender their lust for guns.

Oh, please.

the number of people who have a "lust for guns" is probably comparable to the number of people who have a "lust" for stamp-collecting, or scrapbooking or some other hobby.

Most of us have a lust for freedom, though.

22 posted on 02/18/2013 7:06:03 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: driftdiver
I suggest we tax journalists.

Good idea!

Do you know where I can find any?

23 posted on 02/18/2013 7:07:29 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: 1010RD

according to this moron, if taxing guns will lower gun ownership, doesn’t taxing prosperity lower prosperity?


24 posted on 02/18/2013 7:07:59 AM PST by stickywillie (say all the bad stuff you want about phedophiles, but they slow down in school zones.)
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To: KeyLargo

Whoever said “the power to tax is the power to destroy”
was certainly on the money.


25 posted on 02/18/2013 7:08:45 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: KeyLargo

One look at him and you can just see what a damned socialist he is.

26 posted on 02/18/2013 7:08:57 AM PST by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: luv2ndamend

the media puts up the straw man of car regulation, drivers licenses, pilot license etc.

The second amendment is a fundamental INDIVIDUAL RIGHT, whereas a driver’s license (as judges are so fond of saying) is a priviledge not a right.

these politicians really do believe they are not bound by the rule of law. They are the law until a judge says otherwise and even then the politicans believe they can “tweak” the bad law with magic words to achieve the same result.

If public service is a priviledge not a right, then politicans should be required to pass basic law competency tests before they can take their seats EVERY TIME they are elected for ANY office.


27 posted on 02/18/2013 7:09:38 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: KeyLargo
Americans are as addicted to guns as smokers are to cigarettes; as adults are to beer, wine and hard liquor; as gamblers are to slots, lottery tickets and the roll of the dice; and as most of us are to our cars, boats, campers and trailers.

What a hateful think to say. Apparently, because I'm an adult, I'm addicted to beer, wine, AND hard liquor.

Go peddle your hate somewhere else, Lewis.

28 posted on 02/18/2013 7:11:09 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: KeyLargo

Taxing guns is an infringment! It is an INFRINGMENT!!! It is Leftist Terrorism against the Constitution. Call these attacks on the Constitution what they are...Treason. TREASON!!!


29 posted on 02/18/2013 7:11:59 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: KeyLargo

Where did they find that idiot?


30 posted on 02/18/2013 7:12:00 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Liberals lust for gay sex.
31 posted on 02/18/2013 7:15:53 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Neither property nor guns should be taxed. Why should you pay taxes on something just because you own it? Even when you pay off your mortgage you still have to pay rent to the state in the form of property taxes.


32 posted on 02/18/2013 7:19:13 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: longtermmemmory

That is the truth. The issue we have is with low info voters, I say by design. I don’t think these little tyrants would of got away with what is happening now 30 years ago. A lot of people are only worried about the government hand out or who is coming out with a new phone, etc.
I think that this is all by design. It is just a matter of time as to when us frogs in the pot of slowly boiling water get out or cook.


33 posted on 02/18/2013 7:19:24 AM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter)
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To: longtermmemmory

That is the truth. The issue we have is with low info voters, I say by design. I don’t think these little tyrants would of got away with what is happening now 30 years ago. A lot of people are only worried about the government hand out or who is coming out with a new phone, etc.
I think that this is all by design. It is just a matter of time as to when us frogs in the pot of slowly boiling water get out or cook.


34 posted on 02/18/2013 7:19:25 AM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter)
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To: demshateGod

Ingeed taxes on pets are next then they will tax the amount air you breath.


35 posted on 02/18/2013 7:22:33 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: KeyLargo
At least he admits that the purpose of property taxes is to eliminate private property.
36 posted on 02/18/2013 7:32:09 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: driftdiver

“I suggest we tax journalists.”

Add this Urinal-ist to the list to be taxed.

This mope says that all “Habitual gun users” should be taxed.

An Ammunition Tax Wouldn’t Stop Mass Murders but Could Save Many Lives

By Matthew Yglesias

Posted Monday, Dec. 17, 2012, at 9:50 AM

“Here’s an idea: Why don’t we levy a healthy excise tax on bullets?

Maybe it wouldn’t work. But given that we are going to have to raise some taxes of some sort and this would raise revenue, it seems worth a try. As an added bonus, a higher price of ammunition shouldn’t be a serious obstacle to anyone hoping to use a firearm for home defense. The costs would be borne by habitual gun users rather than people trying to prepare for rare contingencies.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/17/ammunition_tax_taxing_bullets_could_reduce_violene.html


37 posted on 02/18/2013 7:36:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: chris37

The limits on imports, red tape, and garbage dealers have to mess with means you are already paying the government for guns and ammo. The governments manipulation of gun prices is already going on, and is a perfect definition of infringement.


38 posted on 02/18/2013 7:38:28 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Vaduz

“Indeed taxes on pets are next then they will tax the amount air you breath.”

Obamacare May Hike Your Pet’s Health Care Bills

Lachlan Markay

December 7, 2012 at 1:15 pm
“According to a rule published Friday by the Internal Revenue Service, some medical devices used in veterinary practices will be hit by Obamacare’s 2.3 percent device tax. Many of their manufacturers are expected to hike prices, meaning higher veterinary costs for the nation’s pet owners.”

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/07/obamacare-may-hike-your-pets-health-care-bills/


39 posted on 02/18/2013 7:40:51 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Paladin2

That “lust for gun” phrase, right in the first sentence, rankled me also as wrong-headed right of the bat, and an indication of the total wrong-headedness to follow.You are right, the only “lust” is on their side and it’s a lust to confiscate guns. Decades ago, Sigmund Freud analyzed this
mental limitation , and called it “projection”. If there is anything you can count on from the Left, it’s the constant
projection where we get blamed for precisely what THEY are guilty of.


40 posted on 02/18/2013 7:42:31 AM PST by supremedoctrine ("What thou lovest well , remains. The rest is dross"---Ezra pound)
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To: SVTCobra03

Let’s Tax Guns

Make it more expensive to build an arsenal.

By Asha Rangappa|Posted Friday, Dec. 21, 2012, at 1:41 PM

“A federal excise tax on guns could change the social landscape. It would work like this: Everyone who can pass a background check to own a firearm would be entitled to purchase one weapon, tax-free. This would leave our right to own a weapon for self-defense unencumbered and would therefore be constitutional under the Second Amendment. After that, the government would levy an excise tax on each additional weapon owned. The amount of the tax would increase as the number of weapons owned increased.

Of course, some people may try to avoid taxes by buying guns on the black market. But they’d risk the IRS coming after them for tax evasion, which is relatively easy to prove (Al Capone, anyone?) and carries civil and criminal penalties. Tax evasion has been law enforcement’s tool for combating organized crime and the drug trade. Extending its reach to unregulated guns could prove very effective: After all, you can’t hide your weapons in a Swiss bank account.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/12/taxing_guns_make_it_more_expensive_to_build_an_arsenal.html


41 posted on 02/18/2013 7:47:57 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

And words of wisdom from the Chicago Police Superintendent yesterday:

Appearing on a Chicago Sunday morning talk show, superintendent Garry McCarthy expressed his conviction that firearm owners who lobby their elected representatives or who donate money to political campaigns are engaged in corruption that endangers public safety. McCarthy went on to express his belief that judges and legislators should rely on public opinion polls when interpreting our Constitution.

After dismissing the citizen’s right to redress grievances, McCarthy focused on the 2nd Amendment. Despite recent court decisions to the contrary, McCarthy opined that the 2nd Amendment limits citizens to owning smooth-bore muskets. McCarthy went on to say that he believes the 2nd Amendment supports mandatory liability insurance for firearm owners and the mandatory application of GPS tracking devices to civilian owned firearms.

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/


42 posted on 02/18/2013 7:56:30 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
Americans will never surrender their lust for guns

How cute! Putting a negative Christian concept in the article.

Does the author actually believe such a negative connotation on the issue is going to sway people?
Does he believe that people aren't smart enough to see through what he's trying to do? /rhetorical questions

Here's your clue, Lewis. Desire isn't quite the same thing as lust.

Do you desire people to read, and believe, your claptrap or do you lust for them to do so?

43 posted on 02/18/2013 8:00:33 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: KeyLargo

lets see how this theory works with other rights...

to reduce free speech... just tax it like property!

hm...

just don’t see this happening.


44 posted on 02/18/2013 8:09:28 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“just don’t see this happening.”

I hope that you are correct, but also many conservatives did not believe that Obama would have a second term in the White House or that GOP would lose more seats in Congress.


45 posted on 02/18/2013 8:16:44 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I will admit, I didn’t see Obamacare being upheld by the USSC either.


46 posted on 02/18/2013 8:19:46 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: philman_36

Seeing this rhetoric more and more in the comment sections.

Obama Central has put out the talking point that gun owners are addicts and mentally ill simply because they own guns.

Alinsky still on.the job


47 posted on 02/18/2013 8:21:05 AM PST by digger48
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To: philman_36

Seeing this rhetoric more and more in the comment sections.

Obama Central has put out the talking point that gun owners are addicts and mentally ill simply because they own guns.

Alinsky still on.the job


48 posted on 02/18/2013 8:21:11 AM PST by digger48
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To: KeyLargo
The U.S. ranks No. 1 globally in private gun ownership, with 270 million guns in civilian hands, or 88.8 firearms per 100 people. U.S. law enforcement officers only have 897,400 firearms; the military, 3.1 million.

I guess he doesn't see the issue here....

49 posted on 02/18/2013 8:29:52 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: philman_36

It’s not even “desire”.

It’s “recognition of the necessity of”.


50 posted on 02/18/2013 8:32:40 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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