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Why used cars are scarce - and expensive
American Thinker ^ | 02/22/2013 | David Paulin

Posted on 02/22/2013 8:04:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Yes, Obama's Cash for Clunkers program is definitely one reason used cars are in increasingly scarce supply-- and much pricier than they used to be. But another reason relates to something liberals despise: "trickle down" economics or, in respect to the increasing scarcity of used cars, the fact that low-income used car buyers do better when wealthier Americans (those who can afford new cars) do better.

The reason used cars have gotten increasingly scarce and expensive is the subject of a Wall Street Journal article, "Amid New Car Boom, Used Cars Are Gold." Its observations are illuminating:

The shortage of used cars stems from the deep plunge in new-car sales between 2008 and 2010, and the virtual disappearance of new-car leases during the financial crisis. As a result, three-year-old cars are now hard to find and even older models are holding their value. Another factor is a change by the three Detroit U.S. auto makers. To keep factories humming, they once leased tens of thousands of new cars to rental car fleets and then moved them onto dealer lots as used models after a few months.

There are fewer of those vehicles because manufacturers cut excess production capacity in recent years. Cash-for-clunkers rebates also took many older vehicles off the road.

The scarcity has pushed up used car prices, often to the point that consumers who finance a purchase with subsidized interest rates can get brand new vehicles for about the same as a monthly payment required for a late-model used car.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cashforclunkers; dsj; usedcars

1 posted on 02/22/2013 8:04:53 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not so quick to blame Obama for this. I remember when I bought my 2006 Scion xB. I was going to get a used one, but they were almost as expensive as new. I considered new to be the better deal.


2 posted on 02/22/2013 8:16:14 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
I considered new to be the better deal

Almost Ditto. In my case, buying new *was* a better deal (by about a grand).

Didn't make any sense to me, either. But, I didn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

3 posted on 02/22/2013 8:23:11 AM PST by wbill
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To: cuban leaf

I blame his ilk. Over regulation of autos causes the new price to rise causing residential prices up. His cash for clunkers, however, removed a lot of the low end vehicles.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 8:35:17 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SeekAndFind
Junk yards were a main source of parts in depression and WW-II days, and gold, silver and scrap metal are great investment areas today.

Hold on tight, folks; a crash is coming.

5 posted on 02/22/2013 8:38:27 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: SeekAndFind

Come to Oregon. Portland and Springfield are endless used car lot strips. Thousands of good used cars, pretty cheap too.


6 posted on 02/22/2013 8:46:22 AM PST by enraged
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I’ve heard that once an air bag deploys, the cost of replacement is prohibitive. That can easily “total” a car that has very little damage.


7 posted on 02/22/2013 8:50:33 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Get a black market airbag then sell the car to some poor person who has no reason to live.


8 posted on 02/22/2013 8:53:38 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SeekAndFind

My son-in-law is a used car salesman. Cash for clunkers nearly wiped out the industry.........


9 posted on 02/22/2013 8:54:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cash for clunkers didn’t help.

I don’t know why the GOP hasn’t used cash for clunkers more as a campaign point.


10 posted on 02/22/2013 8:54:44 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: wbill

We are in the market for a new (to us) car. I haven’t bought a car since the last century (1998), so I had some sticker shock at the Ford dealership. Then, I went home and looked on KBB (Kelly Blue Book) and found that there are new cars that are much cheaper, if you are willing to try a Kia or Hyundai.

Not sure what we will do. Our buying power is less than what it was in 1998, yet our needs are similar.


11 posted on 02/22/2013 8:57:37 AM PST by married21
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I bought a “totalled” 2006 silverado for a song. It had been rebuilt to the point that it looked and felt new. assume it has no airbags. Not a problem for me. It’s every bit as safe as the 1963 rambler classic I used to drive.

And besides, I’m not really into accident survival. I’m into accident avoidance.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 8:57:50 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I see a lot of used cars for sale in people’s yards.

WHY? Because the dealers offer little or nothing for them and want to sell them for a premium.

Also automobiles are so expensive these days people are driving their cars until there is nothing left of them.
My old 95 Silverado has over 200,000 miles on it and when I went to look at new trucks I could not believe my eyes at the sticker price. For $35,000 dollars I can buy a lot of repairs, and my truck still gets as good gas mileage as a new one.

A friend bought a new Ford 250 with a diesel $56,000.
Try to find a truck with rubber floor mats and roll up windows these days.Todays truck is more like a luxury car than something to work out of.


13 posted on 02/22/2013 8:58:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: married21

I do a 122 mile round trip commute every day. We also drive from our home in central Kentucky to Chicago to visit grandkids. I’m seriously thinking about a Kia Rio.

Either that or a Miata. ;-)


14 posted on 02/22/2013 8:59:40 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How many people can pay $40-50K for a full size pickup truck now on a 5 year note or if you somehow get a 7 year note, by the time you pay it off, you need another new truck!

I just bought a used Toyota Corolla with 90K miles for 6K and a 2002 Ford Ranger in mint condition with color matching cab with only 90K on it for $8.5K. So I got two used cars with low taxes that should last 300K miles each for basically $14K and some change.


15 posted on 02/22/2013 9:02:24 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: lacrew
I don’t know why the GOP hasn’t used cash for clunkers more as a campaign point.

Because they're just as guilty.

16 posted on 02/22/2013 9:02:27 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Venturer

I am SHOCKED at the price of new trucks. I would not touch one with a ten foot pole.

BTW, regarding used cars: A friend of mine was in the car business for decades mostly selling pricey european cars. Toward the end he worked at a BMW dealership in the Seattle area. He said it got so bad that when a salesman sold a new BMW they made something like $200. But if they sold a used car the salesman could make thousands.

What that told me is that dealerships really overprice used cars.


17 posted on 02/22/2013 9:07:02 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: married21

I hear you, we bought our last new car in 03’ Maxima for $22k and now the same car is selling for $34k, so we waited and watched finally found a great deal on a Dodge Charger R/T w/ only 9100 miles on it, clean vehicle fully loaded for $22k, I can’t bring myself to spend more than this on any car. Cargurus is a great way to shop vehicles.


18 posted on 02/22/2013 9:07:25 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Hammerhead
I have a Toyota Corolla which I bought new which now has 213K on the odometer. I was figuring on maybe keeping it until 250K but maybe I should shoot for 300K. Every time I take it in for any work they pester me about trading it in for a new Toyota.

I still remember how Jesse Jackson shook Toyota down for billions after their ad showing someone with a gold-plated tooth (which JJ called racist). I don't want to buy a new Toyota if some of the money is going to go to Jesse Jackson.

19 posted on 02/22/2013 9:14:24 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: wbill
Went car shopping last summer. I tend to keep cars a long, long time and maintain them well, so I must buy quality to begin with. Through years of experience, I've found that doing so keeps me on the road for a LOT less than buying junk and trading it in frequently. Yeah, it hurts up front but it beats the hell out of death by 1000 paper cuts.

Last car I bought was in 2004, a 7 year old Honda with 75K on the odometer, roughly $5,000. It served us well, had roughly 201K on the odometer, but had enough little things going wrong that I thought it wise to move up before interest rates shot up.

So I figured with inflation, the same type of thing might be $7 or $8K in 2012. Try $12K, if you could find it. The closest thing to it I could actually find was a four year old Scion xD, 45K on the odometer, $14.5K price tag. Yeah, they would arrange financing, but for something like 3% to 4% higher than I could get on a new 2013 Honda Fit for $2,500 more.

The monthly payment would have been pretty much identical with the higher interest rate. And $2500 more for four more years and 45K more miles in warranty didn't seem like a bad deal at all.

And the 1997 Honda with 210K on the odometer? I listed it at roughly double what the dealer offered as trade in, had 27 calls on it and sold it within 36 hours of the Craigslist listing. The buyer had cash for the asking price, another prospect waiting behind him and a third on the way. He didn't even try to price dicker. Smart man.

20 posted on 02/22/2013 9:22:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I own a 57 Bel Air and a 67 Camaro. Gas is expensive, but repairs are cheap and I can do them myself.

Example, my mother just spent $1500 for timing belt, battery, alternator.
I would have been out $75 for the alternator and $115 for battery, and I never blow a timing chain on a small block chevy.

$1310 difference pays for a lot of gas, and some new roller rockers. Vrooooom.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 9:51:46 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: cuban leaf
What that told me is that dealerships really overprice used cars.

A factory dealership makes their money on: 1) Selling used cars. 2) Billing the manufacturer for warranty repairs. 3) Absolutely raping the few who bring their out of warranty cars to the dealer for repairs. Very little money is made by the dealer selling new cars and most of that is dealer incentives. New cars just put customers on the road for the dealer to reap warranty repairs on.

22 posted on 02/22/2013 10:08:04 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: cuban leaf

I own a 2011 KIA Serento. I love it. I have been looking at a Rio for my daughter in college. A women that works with my wife just got hit by to picks for snowy roads in her Rio. It is getting fixed and the all around bags kept her safe.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 10:12:20 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Venturer

I had several trucks over the years. My first truck was a 1987 2 wheel Toyota with a 4 speed. I bought it for $5000 with 20,000 miles. I also had a ‘94 Nissan Truck extended cab when my ‘87 got wrecked and then traded it in ‘99 when my son was born. Wish I kept the truck since I got rid of it with 70,000 miles and was still in perfect shape. I did a Carfax on it and it got totaled like a year after. I have a 1991 Toyota 4x4 and plan on keeping it until it has to be hauled to the junk yard. It already has 209,500 miles on it. I have been looking for different truck, like a ‘97 model or older with a V-6 and manual transmission and as soon as the trucks go on the market, they are literally sold !

Too bad today, I cannot even buy a new simple pickup truck like what Toyota and Nissan made up into the early 2000’s.

> Try to find a truck with rubber floor mats and roll up windows these days.Todays truck is more like a luxury car than something to work out of.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 10:22:54 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: cuban leaf

Just don’t replace the air bag.


25 posted on 02/22/2013 10:24:15 AM PST by cyclotic (In a society of wolves, you do not fight back by creating more sheep-Dan Bongino)
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To: SeekAndFind

You can do all right buying a car directly from the rental companies like Hertz


26 posted on 02/22/2013 10:43:12 AM PST by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Here in central Maine we still have junk yards and ‘pick-a-part’ yards. You can go in and remove the part you need from a clunker.

Our newest vehicle is an’89 F150. 60,000 original miles
(came from a family member who put 20K on it in 20 years and always garaged it)

We have a ‘94 Ranger XL 175,000 miles

And our lovable ‘85 Toyota PU with 375,000 miles.


27 posted on 02/22/2013 11:14:45 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: SeekAndFind

Many of the reasons cars are so expensive are because of federal mandates to car manufacturers.

Since some states are now considering laws that guns and ammunition manufactured and used exclusively in their state cannot be regulated by the feds, a good question is whether the same idea could be applied to cars?

That is, if there was a state law that as long as cars were made according to state rules, they were legal except on federal highways, what kind of vehicles would you get?

Most states would likely require safety glass and seat belts, but not a whole bunch of other expensive gear, such as airbags, black boxes, and depending on the vehicle, not even a catalytic converter. They would most likely get much better mileage, and ironically, be much safer than by federal standards.


28 posted on 02/22/2013 11:17:49 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: cuban leaf

“What that told me is that dealerships really overprice used cars.”

Prices paid are set by a willing buyer, and a willing seller. Real estate, stocks, used cars.


29 posted on 02/22/2013 11:42:06 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: cuban leaf

Same with my Nissan frontier. New was the only way to go. Used small trucks almost sell for the same as new. There just aren’t any.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 11:55:00 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: dfwgator; lacrew
 
I don’t know why the GOP hasn’t used cash for clunkers more as a campaign point.

Because they're just as guilty.

Exactly. You wanna know who benefitted the most from Cash for Clunkers? Middle to upper class folks. People who had that third car in the driveway that their kid was driving. People who could actually afford to buy a new car.

The poor people with a 10 year old clunker? They could not afford a new car even with the $4500 rebate. And now that good dependable clunkers are even harder to find, they are more expensive, which further harms the poor.

Oh Well.

31 posted on 02/22/2013 1:38:05 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean like My Great Aunt’s purchased new in 1940, her 1940 Buick, then it going to my Dad, and then going to my Son. It is fully restored from the ground up.


32 posted on 02/22/2013 3:13:06 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Need pictures!


33 posted on 02/22/2013 3:17:03 PM PST by Clay Moore ("In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Oh that would be great.
There’s already 70 types of gasoline required by the EPA and we see the problems that causes.

Wouldn’t it be fun for the mfgrs to design and homologate 50 different version of cars for each state?


34 posted on 02/22/2013 3:23:13 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a friend who is a mechanic. He told me some time back that auto manufacturers, in the past, had to provide parts for 10 years after a car was manufactured. But now, that time period has been shaved down.

Our used vehicles are all 2006 and older, so this concerns me. I prefer to keep a vehicle until we run the wheels off it.


35 posted on 02/22/2013 3:54:08 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: cuban leaf
My uncle had this old Rambler parked in a barn for years and sold it off years ago.
http://www.zazzle.com/havent_rambled_in_a_long_time_post_cards-239272142740123037

36 posted on 02/23/2013 5:08:06 AM PST by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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