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Beretta’s future in Maryland tied to state’s gun-control debate (may leave the People's Republic)
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Posted on 02/24/2013 2:05:59 PM PST by Perdogg

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1 posted on 02/24/2013 2:06:04 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

Come to Texas!!


2 posted on 02/24/2013 2:08:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Better yet, to Virginia


3 posted on 02/24/2013 2:10:22 PM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator)
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To: Perdogg

One word. Texas


4 posted on 02/24/2013 2:10:54 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Perdogg

How about Indiana.


5 posted on 02/24/2013 2:14:47 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Perdogg

If I was Beretta, I’d relocate to Virginia as close to the Maryland border as possible.


6 posted on 02/24/2013 2:15:07 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Perdogg
What about Fred, his pet Cuckatoo?
7 posted on 02/24/2013 2:16:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Perdogg

Segregation is coming.


8 posted on 02/24/2013 2:17:34 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Rappini
How about Indiana.

+1 Centrally located, low cost of living, and gun friendly.

9 posted on 02/24/2013 2:18:11 PM PST by KirbDog
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To: Shadow44

1-800-929-2901

I would call and voice my support, but what do I say?

I’m unemployed, I would consider buying a berreta if you leave MD??? Yeah right.


10 posted on 02/24/2013 2:18:55 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Zombies Eat Brains. Half of FL is safe.)
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To: KirbDog
How about Indiana.

+1 Centrally located, low cost of living, and gun friendly.

And within an easy smuggling distance to Chicago.

11 posted on 02/24/2013 2:21:48 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Perdogg

Liberalism triumphs over economics and jobs every time. I live in Tallahassee. Elbit, a defense company, occupied a large building in USF/FAMU industrial park near the national magnet lab. At an open meeting of the university’s governing board, one of the people on the committee said, “We don’t want some horrible defense company in our academic park. Let’s offer them the pre-bubble collapse price for their building and be done with them.” Elbit had about 350 employees and roughly $80 million per year in contracts. Their footprint on the local tax picture and job scene was noticeable. Elbit had other plants in the US only partially utilized. They grabbed the money and left smoking skid marks. That building is still empty nearly 3 years later. It annoys me as a taxpayer that university’s board spent our tax dollars for such a cavalier, liberalism like protesting the defense business. (Incidentally, Elbit hired engineers from both university programs and provided summer internships that paid extremely well.

None of the lower level employees, many of whom came off welfare, were offered a move package. Only the poorer members of society were hurt by this bizarre, elitist move.


12 posted on 02/24/2013 2:23:11 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Perdogg

They should negotiate with NM...
The state is desperate for any factory production company. They could probably get huge tax breaks, free rent etc.

And such a deal could help reverse the ugly direction that our legislature has taken the last few weeks, vis a vis anti-gun bills.


13 posted on 02/24/2013 2:25:22 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Gen.Blather
"The Francis Bitter Magnet Laboratory, formerly a national laboratory, in Cambridge is named in his honor."

Who knew that the National Magnet Lab moved?

14 posted on 02/24/2013 2:30:09 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: LegendHasIt

Isn’t NM, like CO, lost?


15 posted on 02/24/2013 2:31:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Gen.Blather

“It annoys me as a taxpayer that university’s board spent our tax dollars for such a cavalier, liberalism like protesting the defense business.”

Libtards have no problem spending other people’s money for something the can “feel” good about. Never mind that it is totally illogical and causes more harm than good.


16 posted on 02/24/2013 2:35:37 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Perdogg

Come to Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca Arizona or Phoenix Arizona.


17 posted on 02/24/2013 2:37:17 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Perdogg

Let me get this straight: Gov. O’Malley says these guns are evil and should be stopped...but he is perfectly fine with profiting from them?

That’s what this statement sounds like:

“We think getting assault weapons off the streets and keeping this company can both be accomplished,” said Raquel Guillory, O’Malley’s spokeswoman.

BTW, I just fired my relatively new 92fs again yesterday. Not for hunting, not for self defense...just because I like to, and its my right (so far).


18 posted on 02/24/2013 2:39:39 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: LegendHasIt
They should negotiate with NM...
The state is desperate for any factory production company. They could probably get huge tax breaks, free rent etc.

Indeed! But it's even better -- the state's Constitution (a) preempts any law "abridging the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense", (b)prohibits a county or municipality from regulating "in any way" even a single incident of the right to keep and bear arms [with case-law extending to sales there's a good chance it would be the same w/ manufacture], and (c) has GREAT FOOD.

And such a deal could help reverse the ugly direction that our legislature has taken the last few weeks, vis a vis anti-gun bills.

Gr, I've posted on the NM forum how that is likely treason and should be cause for arresting the legislature (well those members).

19 posted on 02/24/2013 2:40:14 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Paladin2

Who knew the national magnetic lab moved?

http://www.magnet.fsu.edu/

The national high magnetic lab. Maybe we have two of them? This one is in Tallahassee on Paul Dirac Drive. It’s near to USF’s Engineering building.


20 posted on 02/24/2013 2:41:10 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
It’s near to USF’s Engineering building.

You get your letters mixed up, USF is in Tampa, FSU is the one in Tallahassee.

21 posted on 02/24/2013 2:42:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Gen.Blather
"Liberalism triumphs over economics and jobs every time. ",

While I sympathize with what happened to your community, I would hardly call this a "liberal win".

The devastation liberalism caused in Tallahassee left many victims in its wake, but capitalism moved on to survive elsewhere - and will continue doing so as long as people spread the truth of stories like this and fight for what is right.

22 posted on 02/24/2013 2:45:55 PM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Paladin2
Isn’t NM, like CO, lost?

Not necessarily.

This should be grounds to prosecute the legislature, on multiple levels. You see the State Constitution comes into play.

ART II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.

Let me reiterate the key portion here: NO LAW SHALL ABRIDGE THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZEN TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS FOR SECURITY AND DEFENSE. Such a ban does indeed bar the right to keep and bear arms, but let us look further into the Constitution.

Art XVIII, Section 1. [Composition, name and commander in chief of militia.]
The militia of this state shall consist of all able- bodied male citizens between the ages of eighteen and forty-five, except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or of this state. The organized militia shall be called the “national guard of New Mexico,” of which the governor shall be the commander in chief.

Art XVIII, Sec. 2. [Organization, discipline and equipment of militia.]
The legislature shall provide for the organization, discipline and equipment of the militia, which shall conform as nearly as practicable to the organization, discipline and equipment of the regular army of the United States, and shall provide for the maintenance thereof.

So the militia in Sec 2, which *isn’t* restricted to the organized militia, by law is supposed to be equipped as the US Army is. — That necessarily includes the “assault rifles” which are in question here. Also note that ALL able-bodied male between 18 and 45 is, by default, a part of the militia. — This is part of the constitution, which cannot be altered by normal legislative act.

— BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE!! —

Art II, Sec. 16. [Treason.]
Treason against the state shall consist only in levying war against it, adhering to its enemies, or giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

Let us assume that disarming the militia is indeed providing aid and comfort to enemies of New Mexico, which as we just saw is the case and make such an overt act. Then the signatures of the act are, themselves, witness against those passing it. Some will say that the legislature is immune from arrest, shall we see?

Art IV, Sec. 13. [Privileges and immunities.]
Members of the legislature shall, in all cases except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the sessions of their re- spective houses, and on going to and return- ing from the same. And they shall not be questioned in any other place for any speech or debate or for any vote cast in either house.

Oh, well there it is, they are NOT exempt of arrests for treason.


23 posted on 02/24/2013 2:48:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Perdogg
“We think getting assault weapons off the streets and keeping this company can both be accomplished,” said Raquel Guillory, O’Malley’s spokeswoman.

Wanting one's cake and eating it, too.

I love seeing these gunmakers making the politicians squirm.

24 posted on 02/24/2013 2:51:47 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people.)
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To: Paladin2

Not quite, but close. The northern half is leftist, the southern half is pretty darn conservative. Without Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos, it would be a solid ‘Red’ State.

We have a halfway decent Governor, and some good State Legislators from that southern half.

If we had some big private sector employers, I think the state would shift back to the conservative one it was in my youth, but the Federal and State governments are the largest employers, so way too many people vote for their own short term benefit.


25 posted on 02/24/2013 2:54:22 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Perdogg

Too bad I can’t hype my state in an effort to get the gun makers to come here. I’d be laughed off F.R.


26 posted on 02/24/2013 2:59:31 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks Shark... Yeah, I read the thing in the NM forum. I know you are correct legally... I hope that it works out that way in the real world.

So far it is touch and go here with our Mayor and Police Chief in that respect..
They like to make decrees, then when they lose in court, just ignore the court orders.


27 posted on 02/24/2013 3:00:19 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: bicyclerepair

http://joeforamerica.com/2013/02/shotgun-joe-inspires-a-great-idea-free-ar-15/
Get a free AR-15


28 posted on 02/24/2013 3:06:05 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: Perdogg

I remember when Beretta first got the military contract. They had to make a certain number in the U.S.

I think they already had a small factory in Maryland but never could understand why. I guess they wanted to be close to D.C.


29 posted on 02/24/2013 3:08:25 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: Perdogg
After reading some of the comments at the article link, I'd say Baretta is long overdue in moving out of that state. Regardless of whether the law passes or not. What a bunch of deranged liberal pantywaists.
30 posted on 02/24/2013 3:12:30 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: LegendHasIt; Paladin2
Not quite, but close. The northern half is leftist, the southern half is pretty darn conservative. Without Albuquerque, Santa Fe and Taos, it would be a solid ‘Red’ State.

Considering that, it's kinda a shame that the Congress forced us to retract some "anti-populist" provisions in the original draft-form of the State constitution, from Wikipedia:

As originally drafted and sent to the United States Congress, the New Mexico Constitution contained a number of limitations on the process for making amendments. These included
  1. a requirement of a two-thirds vote of the legislature in order to propose amendments,
  2. that in addition to a bare majority, all amendments must be ratified by at least 40% of those voting in the election, with a 40%+ vote in at least half of the counties, and
  3. a limitation on the total number of amendments that could be submitted to the people per election.
Congress was not sympathetic to these anti-populist provisions, and as a prerequisite to admission as a state required that the people ratify an amendment that would provide for a simple majority vote in the legislature, for ratification by simple majority vote of the people, and do away with the limitation on the total number of amendments.

On the other hand, that itself wouldn't make a difference when whole governments [municipal/county/state] ignore the Constitution; but that is going to be inherent in any Constitutional system.

We have a halfway decent Governor, and some good State Legislators from that southern half.

Very much agreed; though I was very very disappointed with my State Representative over her utter hand-wave dismissal of my inquiry into the legitimacy of NMSA 30-7-2.4 [prohibiting firearms on campus].

If we had some big private sector employers, I think the state would shift back to the conservative one it was in my youth, but the Federal and State governments are the largest employers, so way too many people vote for their own short term benefit.

Heck, the state re-elected Gary Johnson who was a pretty solid conservative (and Republican) while the State was going solidly Democrat -- so given it's status as a "purpleish state" it's already begun to swing that way.

31 posted on 02/24/2013 3:20:49 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Perdogg

West Virginia would appreciate the employment; I have friends on the Mineral County WV Development Authority who will be looking into this.


32 posted on 02/24/2013 3:29:09 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Perdogg

West Virginia would appreciate the employment; I have friends on the Mineral County WV Development Authority who will be looking into this.


33 posted on 02/24/2013 3:29:37 PM PST by mathurine
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To: Gen.Blather

I looked it up. The Bitter Magnet Lab (at MIT in Cambridge) used to be the National Magnet Lab (when I worked there in the 70’s). Now it’s not. I’ll have to see what happened. (Could be Tricky Dick’s Fault)


34 posted on 02/24/2013 3:31:47 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Perdogg

I’m not big on arrogant Yankee (or Border) states. However, there is something good about Mass.,Conn., Maryland and the like having a firearms industry: while it is there, they like the jobs and taxes.

Once the industry is removed to Texas or Mississippi, the Yankee politicos have absolutely NO vested interest in protecting firearm owners or the industry.

And we know the only interest those politicians have IS there own vested interest! The Constitution is not of the least bit of interest to them.

Oldplayer


35 posted on 02/24/2013 3:34:35 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: Perdogg

Come to Mississippi...we love guns more than Democrats love dead babies.


36 posted on 02/24/2013 3:36:42 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper
Come to Texas, big...  photo x-futurama-16-L-175.gif and bring Lil & Beretta with ya!

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37 posted on 02/24/2013 3:41:44 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Perdogg
DON'T come to Colorado. We are becoming @zzholes with our Dem Legislature and Governor
38 posted on 02/24/2013 3:42:11 PM PST by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: lacrew

I’m preparing to fire my 92FS for the first time this coming weekend. Looking forward to it! It has a nice feel to it.


39 posted on 02/24/2013 3:43:43 PM PST by liege
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To: KirbDog; Rappini

and it has a racist name that celebrates the genocide of valiant native americans. Just getting ahead of the PC folks and their spewing of hatred. Indiana is my home state and the Tippecanoe Battleground is a short drive away from where I was born.

And there are some empty factories in the Elkhart area that bh0 visited and promised they would be fully producing electric cars in a couple of years. They went bust before he was re-elected.


40 posted on 02/24/2013 3:45:41 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Perdogg

I know a lot of ‘Famiglias Italianas’ at my son’s school whose husbands work at Beretta in Accokeek. The mothers can’t speak that much English, and I’ve helped them ‘maneuver’ the system for years. None of them are pleased with the State and their stand on gun-control...


41 posted on 02/24/2013 3:47:36 PM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: Gen.Blather
"They secured the backing of key Florida officials and submitted their proposal to the National Science Foundation in 1989. In so doing, the team challenged the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, home to the Francis Bitter National Magnet Laboratory, founded a quarter of a century earlier.

Their bold plan articulated a novel vision for a magnet laboratory that would:

Feature a model federal-state partnership Serve magnet-related research in nearly all areas of science Promote interdisciplinary research Support science and technology education Work in partnership with industry to enhance the competitive position of the United States in magnet-related research and development

The proposal proved persuasive. Following a stringent peer-review competition, the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory was awarded to FSU in August 1990. With its first major hurdle cleared, the team moved quickly to the next: turning their promises into bricks, mortar and magnets."

There you go.

42 posted on 02/24/2013 3:54:06 PM PST by Paladin2
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43 posted on 02/24/2013 4:05:37 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: liege

I think you’ll enjoy your Beretta.

There is nothing very practical about it...too big to carry concealed easily, too small to put down a drug crazed grizzly bear, etc...but I just plain like it. I especially like the ‘feel’.

I had used this pistol in the Army and liked it; but, I was somewhat ignorant of the Beretta company. Literature in the box stated the company was 500 years old! With a ‘Beretta’ still at the helm. Truly amazing.


44 posted on 02/24/2013 4:08:52 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Paladin2

Hello Rick Perry!

Before you try to lure Californians to Texas, look and see what they did to Colorado.

Yall can move to a free state, just leave your attitude and opinions where you came from.


45 posted on 02/24/2013 4:18:02 PM PST by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: liege

I just purchased a 92FS two weeks ago, I love it! It is the only modern pistol I have found that fits my meat hooks properly. I was also lucky enough to find about a dozen mil-surp 15 rounders and a couple of Mec-Gar 18 rounders at an obscure gun shop.


46 posted on 02/24/2013 4:34:20 PM PST by mulnir
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To: Perdogg

Beretta should pull out of Maryland and create some unemployment in the state where residents hate them so unfairly. They should stop all the free training and repairs they give the state. The governor of Maryland will stomp all over Beretta in his attempt to be president of the US. If progressives in Maryland continue to have their way, one or two more American industries like Beretta will “go foreign” where they are welcome to add to the local economy overseas.


47 posted on 02/24/2013 4:36:51 PM PST by Rapscallion (The people sense what Obama has in store for America.)
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To: RedMDer

F’n Lawyer Compensation Legislation.


48 posted on 02/24/2013 4:43:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: hadaclueonce

Texas will go purple soon, and blue within ten years.

To many Mexicans. What is worse is that there are a lot of Californians doing what they do best. Destroying where they live.

Start planning your exit strategy.


49 posted on 02/24/2013 4:45:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mulnir
Oh I wish I could get 15 and 18's here on the left coast. But I guess I only need 10 rounds to kill a deer, right?

I did get the Hogue grips instead.

50 posted on 02/24/2013 4:49:59 PM PST by liege
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