Senators near a deal on background checks for most private gun sales

Washington Compost ^ | February 23, 2013 | Ed O'Keefe

[ConservativeInPA]

A bipartisan group of senators is on the verge of a deal that would expand background checks to all private firearms sales with limited exemptions, but significant disagreements remain on the issue of keeping records of private gun sales, according to aides familiar with the talks.

[ConservativeInPA]

Republican traitors, Coburn and Kirk, are teaming up with Schumer and Manchin. Juan McCain, Jeff Flake and Susan Collins will endorse.

When will these F'ing idiots realize that criminals do not partake in background checks.

[driftdiver]

Keeping records? Sounds like registration.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Why is anyone in our government worried about this?

Our government is going bankrupt.

Stop wasting your time on making government more invasive.

/rant

[eartick]

They will never understand and I will never comply

[Truth29]

Looks like the GOPe fears an armed populace just like the Democrats, the rest of the left and the Marxists running the show.

[umgud]

We have this in CA plus handgun & assault weapon registration. Next January, long guns will have to be regestered. You just can’t have UBC’s without some recordkeeping, which will lead to registration.

Some day in the future we will see confiscation (CA already had this happen on a limited basis).

[Trod Upon]

Repubs who vote for this atrocity have to go, even if it means the seat goes Democrat.

[Paladin2]

Good luck with recording generational transfers.

[theBuckwheat]

Bob Owens blog:

BarackObama.com wants your gun violence stories. I told them about Buchenwald and the desires of the Weather Underground

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/barackobama-com-wants-your-gun-violence-stories-i-told-them-about-buchenwald-and-the-desires-of-the-weather-underground/comment-page-1/#comment-58352

And theOne really wants your stories on “gun violence” (minimum of 20 words):

http://www.barackobama.com/stories/share-your-story

I was thinking of telling the gun violence suffered by the poor people of the Branch Davidians, but I am open to other suggestions.

[Iron Munro]

Another RINO sellout.

RINOs don’t have a problem with big government.

They just resent not being in charge.
They know that democrats are getting the lion’s share of the loot.

[RC one]

I agree. What’s the point of voting for Republicans that side with democrats anyways. I’m suddenly not caring about the top marginal tax rate so much.

[Revolutionary]

Idiots! Their concept of universal background checks will spike home invasions to steal weapons.
But they don’t care. They can shut down sales by having the computer send back a denial to all inquiries. Then what happens? Remember is is a right, not a need!

[Eska]

I thought I heard Coburn say any date base would kill the bill. From what I took of it be the same as current 4473 check, but maybe he's a lyin. An expanded data base be the start of registration/confiscation; time for the Tar & Feathers.

I know that here in Alaska, if Begich votes for anything on the order of new gun control, he's history in 2014 and he knows it. His letter said no new gun control for him. just concentrate on the mentally ill getting guns.

[Flintlock]

RINOs out.
Nothing for any of them.
EVER.

[SpaceBar]

So after weeks of dining in DC’s most sumptuous establishments, the suits have decided on what’s good for the little people.

[ptsal]

A$$hole senators... What else covers the topic?

[apoliticalone]

It should be obvious that the NYC and SF elites such as Feinstein and Bloomberg with their millions and billions in wealth and private security want the average Americans disarmed, before they come for your pensions and property via eminent domain.

They want you Mr Average, to become the victim first if their reckless policies and the dollar fails, while they are very well protected and defended with your police and taxes.

[ArrogantBustard]

Resolution of whether to keep records of private sales is key to earning the support of one of the Republicans involved in the talks, Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, who has a solid A-rating from the influential National Rifle Association and could provide political cover for lawmakers of both parties who are wary of supporting the plan.

I'm sick of NRA giving these slugs cover by endorsing them.

[JRandomFreeper]

Will it make it through the house?

/johnny

[SIDENET]

Our rat bastard GOP losers selling us out yet AGAIN.

[VR-21]

"They will never understand and I will never comply."

I'm with you. It's none of their frigging business, andthey can all high dive to hell. I put more value on my liberty and privacy than I have respect, or even loyalty to my present squalid, corrupt, self-serving, rapacious, vulgar government. I'm developing an intense, visceral hatred for those bastards. I've lived my entire life obeying the law, and I've never robbed, raped or harmed a living soul, yet I'm feeling more and more like an outlaw in this land where I was born. I'm feeling more and more like the people Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn described as "rabbits," waiting for the NKVD "blue-caps" to come in the night. I don't want to live with a leftist "boot on my neck."

[Georgia Girl 2]

Good luck getting that pig to fly through the House.

[Ouderkirk]

I simply won’t comply....period.

There are plenty of folks who will not comply as well.

[SIDENET]

Will it make it through the house?

I'm thinking that it has been watered down precisely for that reason.

Some arm twisting, POTUS phone calls to "moderate" republicans, bribes, extortion, etc, and it will probably breeze right through.

Then they can publicly congratulate themselves for passing "reasonable" measures, blah, blah, blah...

[gleeaikin]

interesting links, thanks.

[Sooth2222]

"“These negotiations are challenging, as you’d expect on an issue as complicated as guns,” the chief negotiator, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), said in a statement Saturday. “But all of the senators involved are approaching this in good faith. We are all serious about wanting to get something done, and we are going to keep trying.”"

With the exception of Chuck-E-Cheese Schumer's statement, and Coburn's “I don’t negotiate through the press”, attributable quotes seem to be few and far between. Also, "while a Flake spokeswoman said Saturday that he is still reviewing the proposal" doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Meanwhile, over on the House side, "Goodlatte added that any discussion of new gun laws should come only if the Obama administration steps up enforcement of current laws" doesn't sound like they're quite "near a deal", either. Wishful inside-the-beltway thinking by the WaPo?

[TigersEye]

Good luck enforcing it. Every gun I sell will magically be sold before the date the law goes into effect and the same with any guns I buy privately.

[FlingWingFlyer]

The time is coming when Americans are going to have to stand up and remind these two bit public servants that this is OUR country and the Bill or Rights belong to us. These low lifes cannot take away our freedoms.

[gleeaikin]

In all the states we definitely need to push for restoring Eminent Domain to its original purpose of allowing hospitals, libraries and schools. I understand the property in that town in Conn. that sparked the Supreme Court case has still not been developed, but the homeowners were forced out of their property. A number of businesses in DC were EDed and the site sat empty for years. Finally it looks like a Walmart will go into that space. Once of six Walmarts planned for a city of 630,000. Overkill??

[TigersEye]

Submit stories of successful self-defense with legally owned firearms. Take them from the news or just make them up. Fill up their inbox with them.

[Repeal The 17th]

If I were to:
give/sell/swap...
a rifle/handgun...
to my brother/son/nephew/brother-in law/father-in law/
or a feller who seemed like a nice guy that I met while out hunting...

Then who, besides me and them, would ever know about it?
And how would they know about it?

(Yea, I have done all of those things in the past
and I will continue to do so in the future.)

[theBuckwheat]

FREEP this poll!

[theBuckwheat]

FREEP this poll:

And theOne really wants your stories on “gun violence” (minimum of 20 words):

http://www.barackobama.com/stories/share-your-story

[bushbuddy]

So my Senator, Mark Kirk, is in on this. Unbelievable! But then, I knew he was a RINO when I voted for him instead of Alex Giannolous(sp?). And to think he was in the Naval Reserve and he does this crap.

On March 4th, I am attending the Lincoln Day dinner here outside of Chicago. The keynote speaker is Rand Paul with Kirk also speaking. Talk about two ends of the spectrum. This may turn out to be a very interesting night.

[3Fingas]

So how would have enhanced background checks and mandatory background checks on private sales prevented the Colorado or Sandy Hook shootings? All weapons used were obtained after background checks. Oh, wait....this has nothing to do with those gun crimes, but it is a part of the left-wings’s long-time, scarcely concealed agenda — to create a national database of gun owners so that trouble makers can be dealt with at their leisure.

I hope that the proposed laws in Texas prevent any further erosion of gun rights.

[TigersEye]

That would be a good place to use this temporary e-mail unless you want to be on 0bama's e-mail list.

[steve86]

or a feller who seemed like a nice guy that I met while out hunting...

Just make sure the guy isn't an FBI sting...

[driftdiver]

Perhaps we can tell them the story of how Democrats used gun control laws to keep blacks in the South from protecting themselves when the KKK came by for a hangin.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Universal background checks followed by universal registration followed by confiscation.

[tumblindice]

http://chronicle.com/blogs/brainstorm/tag/broken-window-hypothesis
The `broken window’ theory in practice. People will ignore it and respect for the rule of law generally will be further eroded, like our immigration laws and economic common sense in recent years.
Way to go critters. Another `F’ grade for Congress.

[Trod Upon]

Universal background checks followed by universal registration followed by an attempt at confiscation followed by open warfare.

[TigersEye]

The basic idea is that an environment in which minor crimes are ignored or tolerated is liable to become one in which more substantial criminality also thrives, ...

Today we face the opposite and IMO the consequences will be even worse. We have major laws and the Constitution itself being ignored and violated by the highest offices in the land. You say my gun has an illegal cosmetic feature? I say "I'm not shipping crates of guns to ultra-violent drug cartels in Mexico."

[Venturer]

A Bi-Partisan group of traitors disobeying their oath to support the Constitution.

[Venturer]

You trust the House?

I don’t.

I doin’t trust any one of those on Capitol hill.

[theBuckwheat]

Followed by open warfare?

Are we close to holding a Constitutional Convention yet, or are people still worried that a Convention will take away their RKBA? For my part, we still have at least on peaceful option left and we are obligated to discuss it. And know that the more serious the discussion about a Convention becomes and the more people join in, the more frantic it will make the left. And keep in mind that whatever a Convention passes must also be ratified by a super-majority of the surviving states.

A convention could also address the other defects and weaknesses in the Constitution that allow an EPA that has run amok, has allowed the seizure of private property for the benefit of corporate interests (like the Kelo decision), has lead to regulatory tyranny like the raid on Gibson Guitars over the wood it imports, and the conviction of a sea food importer for the horrible crime of shipping lobsters in a styrofoam container rather than a cardboard one. More important, we could stop the federal government from placing us all in debt-serfdom through infinite money printing and perpetual debt. And last but not least is the outrage of ObamaCare. It is time to redefine the federal government. The only issue is if this will be a peaceaful or a bloody process.

see also:

State resistance to rogue post-constitutional federal government: the last best hope
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=47194

A Bill Of Federalism
Randy E. Barnett, 05.20.09, 4:11 PM ET

http://www.forbes.com/2009/05/20/bill-of-federalism-constitution-states-supreme-court-opinions-contributors-randy-barnett_print.html

[Texas Fossil]

I suggest that the Stupid A-Holes in DC simply make a trip to the nearest store in their home district that sells ammo. Look at the bare shelves, then ask the question, how do my constitutents feel about gun control.

Be forewarned, this is not a local issue. Nation wide the same thing has happened. It will not go away.

The MSM can forget this crap.....

POLs are all warned, we are watching and do not like what we see.

[i_robot73]

Boy, that will make my next biz venture quite lucrative....Teaching fellow Citizens how to mil their own gun parts, buy the rest and assemble them into whatever caliber they wish.

I will actively purchase a nice CNC mill, CAD the blueprints and pump out everything legally possible from blocks of nice, cheap aluminum. Hell, maybe even a 3D printer will work. ~$3k outlay for the CNC, I bet I could make my $ back in no time flat.

Come to Jax, FL and I will teach you how to use household tools to facilitate the assembly of any weapon you wish, no federal registration required.

[Texas Fossil]

“That Which Is Seen, and That Which Is Not Seen.”

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15962/15962-h/15962-h.htm

Search for: “The Broken Window”

Bastiat clearly understood before 1874 the consequences of socialism and part of that was the “Broken Window” concept.

[BerserkPatriot]

Not so fast – looks like the CommiePost has been doing a wee bit too much wishcasting:

Coburn: Senators still not close to deal on background checks http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284557-coburn-senators-still-not-close-to-deal-on-background-checks#comment-811167327 Coburn warned that any talk of registering gun owners would doom the effort. “There absolutely will not be record-keeping on legitimate, law-abiding gun-owners in this country,” he said. “And if they want to eliminate the benefits of actually trying to prevent the sales to people who are mentally ill and to criminals, all they have to do is create a record-keeping. And that will kill this bill. So if you really want to improve it, you have to eliminate the record-keeping.”

Of course, this doesn’t mean that we’re out of the woods, we all still need to keep up the pressure on those traitorous jackals…. Oh, did I say traitorous jackals?… I really meant that they are back stabbing traitorous jackals… yeah, that’s it.

[IncPen]

On March 4th, I am attending the Lincoln Day dinner here outside of Chicago. The keynote speaker is Rand Paul with Kirk also speaking. Talk about two ends of the spectrum. This may turn out to be a very interesting night

Shout Kirk down.