Posted on 02/28/2013 5:37:58 PM PST by presidio9
Um, I'm pretty sure Sullivan would be tickled pink to hear somebody say Obama was on his team.
How best to bring down an anti-gay pope? Accuse him of being gay.
Incidently, Palin was raised a Catholic before her family switched to Pentacostal. She is now a member of a non denominational church. Yet somehow, I have never heard her referred to as a "Prominent Catholic" in the clown car media.
SOME "Catholics" were doing this. Some were not. In order to be a member of the Church in good standing, a true Catholic must be attending Mass every week and on Holy Days.
Speaking from experience, I can tell you that most practicing Catholics vote Republican because of the abortion litmus test.
The fact is how Catholics vote, and the Catholic vote is, and always has been, a dependably democrat vote.
We might never see the the Catholic vote support a pro-life candidate ever again, will it be 100%, of course not.
Palin not being a Catholic is the reason for her not being called a Catholic.
Governor Palin is a non-denominational Christian.
The Part 3, Section 1, Chapter 3, Article 3, veres 2041-2043 of The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines the following obligations for all Catholics:
1. Honor Lord on Sundays and Holy Days by Mass & rest from work
2. Confession at least once a year
3. Worthy reception of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season
4. Observe the days of fasting & abstinence
5. Support the Church in her needs
People who refuse to follow these simple guidelines are, of course, free to call themselves "Catholic." Its a free country. But they are, of course not practicing the faith as defined. They may be members of some other religion (which the Catholic Church, self-identified as "The one true Church"), would then term "protestant," but they are not "Catholic." No one is a Catholic unless they are attending Mass every week. I can believe everything the Church teaches. I still cease to be in communion with the Catholic Church as soon as I skip Mass next Sunday.
I'm assuming this is news to you, which is why you misunderstood my point about Sarah Palin. Like Sullivan, Palin was raised a Catholic, but stopped going to Mass. The difference between the two is that Palin found another faith that appears to have served her better. Sullivan did not, but he continues to present himself as "Catholic" for economic reasons. In fact, they are equally Catholic, which is to say "not at all."
Obama is arguably a Bisexual. I don’t see Andrew Sullivan writing any articles heralding that revelation. I wonder why that is?
Care to comment on that, Mr. Sullivan?
I thought not.
Cheers!
I’m not confused at all, those are members of the Catholic denomination, they are Catholics, you can’t count up the Catholic vote without counting the members of the Catholic church.
Sarah Palin was not raised Catholic, her mother was searching for another denomination when Palin was about 4 or 5.
“I was baptized Catholic as a newborn and then my family started going to non-denominational churches throughout our life,” she told Time magazine Aug. 14, eight days before McCain announced his choice of running mate.
You say you are not confused, but you are not making any sense. The Catholic Church says that you are not a Catholic if you don't attend Mass. If you are in the business of "counting Catholics" it stands to reason that you should only be counting actual Catholics.
Sullivan also describes himself as a conservative, yet he has supported John Kerry and Barak Obama in the last three presidential elections. Is he a conservative?
If the Catholic church has removed someone from membership, from being Catholic, then they shouldn’t be counted as a member anymore, not in the numbers of members they claim nor by other people, have they done that with Sullivan?
The Catholic Church is not in the business of "removing" members. They leave that up to the individaul by presenting a set of "take it or leave it" rules.
You did not answer my question. Is Sullivan a conservative? Would you value the results of a conservative opinion poll that surveyed people like Sullivan?
You can look up Sullivan on your own if you want to know his politics it isn’t my job.
It is too bad that you disagree with the Catholic church on how many Americans are Catholic, but you can take that up with them, it doesn’t change how Catholics vote in America.
You may also want to start correcting your fellow Catholics here that claim once a Catholic always a Catholic, you can tell them that your standard is that if they don’t go to mass weekly, then they have excommunicated themselves and are off the rolls.
I understand that my question was inconvenient. I'll simplify it for you: Sullivan is, in fact, a liberal columnist who presents himself as a "conservative" for financial benefit. Accept this and answer: Is Sullivan a conservative? Would his opinion opinion have any value as an indication of conservative politics?
BTW, I have no idea who these "fellow Catholics here that claim once a Catholic always a Catholic" are, but they obviously have never heard of the Sacrament of Confirmation (which all practicing Catholics reaffirm at least once a week through the Nicene Creed).
LOL, no, your interest in a fellow Catholic is not inconvenient to me, I just don’t share your interest in his politics, especially not enough to research him for you.
By the way, how many Catholics are there in America?
I'm not asking you to reseach Sullivan. I'm telling you: The man is a liberal who presents himself as a conservative. I'm asking you to answer the question: IS he a conservative. The answer is "no" of course, but I can see why you are having so much trouble answering.
I don’t care about that nonsense and I’m not here to answer silly questions from any one.
It is relevant though to know how many catholics are in America though, how many are there roughly?
That would be relevant if I had made any statement about the number of Catholics in America. As I haven't, the only discussion that I am aware of us having is what makes someone "Catholic." As I already know the answer, I am attempting to educate you. You have presented Mr. Sullivan as a Catholic because he claims to be one. He is not. He also falsely presents himself as a conservative. The two go hand and hand, and it makes him a perfect example for refuting your incorrect statement.
So, again, is Mr. Sullivan a conservative?
Sorry, but your weird meanderings aren’t making any sense.
Sure they are, but I can undstand why this isn't fun for you any more. Feel free to take you ball and go home if the hypocricy of endorsing Sullivan's "Catholicism" at the same time you are rejecting his "conservativism" is suddenly making you uncomfortable.
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