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FBI 'secretly spying' on Google users, company reveals
FoxNews.com ^ | March 6, 2013 | FoxNews.com

Posted on 03/09/2013 3:38:57 AM PST by Timber Rattler

The FBI used National Security Letters -- a form of surveillance that privacy watchdogs call “frightening and invasive” -- to surreptitiously seek information on Google users, the web giant has just revealed.

Google’s disclosure is “an unprecedented win for transparency,” privacy experts said Wednesday. But it’s just one small step forward.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: fbi; google; spy
Remember that Patriot Act thingy that Boehner and McCarthy twisted House Republican arms to renew?
1 posted on 03/09/2013 3:38:57 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I bet all kinds of monitoring is going on through the Internet about its users that doesn’t require one iota of evidence for probable cause or a warrant to be issued to spy on them. I know it is for marketing but I’m pretty sure for other reasons as well.


2 posted on 03/09/2013 3:44:28 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Timber Rattler
What "secretly"?

There has been great expenditure of time and our money to sniff our nether regions by the government, and they have stated that intent.

I assume they are going to read, or at least can read whatever communications I have via any electronic device.

When a government claims dominion over your diet, your toilet, and the light bulbs in your house, any invasiveness which does not require them to be doctors is open, and they want the doctors to do the rest.

All that kept the Nazis and the Soviets form keeping such records and snooping at that level was the absence of the automated systems (computers) to carry out the task. We are far beyond their levels of snooping in most of the country.

3 posted on 03/09/2013 3:55:07 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Timber Rattler

Wave to the suit behind the screen - yoohoo, how ya doin’ today, dude!


4 posted on 03/09/2013 3:55:24 AM PST by bgill
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To: Timber Rattler

5 posted on 03/09/2013 4:21:46 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: jsanders2001

“I know it is for marketing but I’m pretty sure for other reasons as well.”

I was researching a novel “Havelock’s Corpse” which is on Kindle. I typed into Google “Micro Nuke” and “Backpack Nuke.” The results raised the hair on the back of my neck. The wording on every page was carefully constructed; it seemed to be trying to find out if I was trying to build one. Notably absent was any information on the Russian backpack nukes Russian General Lebed said he had built for the KGB. I have no doubt that flags were raised. What I knew before the search, and is not available, were mechanisms to use subcritical amounts of nuclear material to achieve high energy reactions. I skipped over the how-to in the novel as the character didn’t have a need to know.

Nothing ever came of the search. I probably didn’t meet any data mining profiles as I had several Top Secret clearances in my career with extended background checks. But if somebody typed in that search and kept it up and then searched for users of fissionable isotopes, I’ll bet that researcher would go to the top of the list.

I view this two ways. As an American citizen who does not want radioactive fallout raining down on me, I’m okay with it. But as a guy who wants his ammunition purchases private, I’m not so happy.


6 posted on 03/09/2013 4:25:04 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Timber Rattler

Hopefully this is no surprise to anyone.


7 posted on 03/09/2013 4:35:54 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Gen.Blather

Roger your last!, I am one of many who has lost any trust or faith in my own government.


8 posted on 03/09/2013 4:39:16 AM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Timber Rattler
I think almost everyone has expected that their Internet use has been tracked to some degree for a long time. Wasn't there something about watching for web searches for words like "militia"? I'm sure many on the right are on government list. The TEA party movement is considered extremist by our tyrannical government. It's considered extremist only because we are a large powerful movement that opposes the same tyrants slandering us. It's a large loosely based movement made up of Conservatives and Libertarians who disagree with each other on many issues, but share a basic belief in our Constitution, and that's a belief the leftist tyrants fear.

I will continue to support The Oath Keepers, and the Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officer Association while working at the local level of government to do whatever I can. I feel this is an important part of preparing for whatever we face in the near future. It's encouraging to see how these types of mainstream patriot groups have been growing. I have no doubt whatsoever that these groups are watched by our government, but there isn't just a public face reflective of their membership, but also those like-minded patriots familiar with these movements, but intentionally not linked to them for obvious reasons. Both the public and private face of these movements are vital for success. Everyone can help save this nation, and no one should ever downplay the influence they have.

Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officer Association - http://cspoa.org/

Oath Keepers to Place Billboard Outside Ft. Leavenworth to Protest Small Wars Journal Article Demonizing Tea Party as Future “Enemy” of U.S. Military. - http://oathkeepers.org/oath/billboard/

9 posted on 03/09/2013 4:45:28 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (WWW.OATHKEEPERS.ORG - WWW.CSPOA.ORG)
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To: Timber Rattler; All
Start Page- The Worlds Most Private Search Engine
10 posted on 03/09/2013 5:14:42 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Not very secret is it?

You have to assume that they can find out anything they want anytime they want. What brand toothpaste do I use?


11 posted on 03/09/2013 5:20:17 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Timber Rattler

12 posted on 03/09/2013 5:21:21 AM PST by Hilda
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To: JoeProBono

Google’s “I’m Feeling Luck” button takes on a whole new meaning when Big Brother is watching.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 5:57:48 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s clearly evident most people have a herd mentality, going where ever they are corralled. Those that escape are rounded up and branded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqggW08BWO0

There is more truth than satire in this video.


15 posted on 03/09/2013 6:21:37 AM PST by Musketeer
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16 posted on 03/09/2013 6:42:12 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America’s Most Powerful Corporation-Expanded Edition
http://www.amazon.com/IBM-Holocaust-Strategic-Alliance-Corporation-Expanded/dp/0914153277


17 posted on 03/09/2013 6:43:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Jed Eckert

I looked at the Startpage site, but it indicates that it is associated with Google, also. We’re you indicating that Startpage was better to use than Google?


18 posted on 03/09/2013 7:06:05 AM PST by MNGal
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To: Timber Rattler

Hasn’t really been a secret in a long time.


19 posted on 03/09/2013 7:10:32 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: MNGal

Yes. Startpage is like a search proxie. It searches google for you so your ip and other personal information isn’t collected by google. Instead all google will see is startpage searching for stuff, not you. So you get the full power of a google search without the privacy problems.


20 posted on 03/09/2013 7:11:48 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Take the Bing vs. Google challenge. I bet you will like Bing as well or better than Google.

21 posted on 03/09/2013 7:33:25 AM PST by Scutter
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To: Timber Rattler

I guarantee you guys that the fed monster actively scrapes FR to keep close tabs on us, the ungovernable. In light of that, let me just say that I think that people who work for the government spying on good God fearing citizens are the lowest scum of the pond. Say hi to Beelzy when you meet him.


22 posted on 03/09/2013 7:35:27 AM PST by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: Scutter
I bet you will like Bing as well or better than Google.

I made Bing my default search engine a long time ago, based upon information I gathered from knowledgeable Freepers. In my view, it's every bit as good as Google.

23 posted on 03/09/2013 7:40:29 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JoeProBono

LOL!


24 posted on 03/09/2013 7:47:39 AM PST by Borax Queen
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To: MNGal
I looked at the Startpage site, but it indicates that it is associated with Google, also. We’re you indicating that Startpage was better to use than Google?

They are not affliated with Google. My understanding of it is that Startpage uses the Google search engine through a separate server (not tied in to google) then forwards the search results to you. Your IP information and other identifiers are not recorded by Startpage and Google only has the anonymous search info from Startpage. Hope that makes sense. More info on the Startpage home page links.

25 posted on 03/09/2013 8:10:14 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Smokin' Joe
All that kept the Nazis and the Soviets form keeping such records and snooping at that level was the absence of the automated systems...

You're right on this one...

26 posted on 03/09/2013 8:39:32 AM PST by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: Timber Rattler

Didn’t some Google execs participate in the Egyptian revolution?

Considering Barry’s love for Islam this doesn’t surprise me that they were chosen as ‘comrades’...


27 posted on 03/09/2013 9:05:54 AM PST by Wanderer99
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To: Timber Rattler
Gov + Ogle = Google

Wouldn't surprise me if both Google creators were working under contract with the U.S. Government from day one.

28 posted on 03/09/2013 11:54:40 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: I want the USA back

Crest!


29 posted on 03/09/2013 11:55:51 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: Timber Rattler

FreeRepublic.com uses Google Analytics.

You might want to read up on what are Google Analytics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics

You may want to start using Mozilla Firefox with plug-in NoScript, which combination can BLOCK Google Analytics, though it will take some practice on your part, to acquaint yourself how to use NoScript well.


30 posted on 03/09/2013 12:03:25 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You know, IBM sold the Nazis a system in which to keep the trains to the concentration camps running efficiently. There was a book about it written in the 80’s and IBM admitted to it happening.


31 posted on 03/09/2013 1:03:44 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: Jed Eckert

Thanks very much for the tip.


32 posted on 03/09/2013 1:09:51 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: SunkenCiv
What a compelling coincidence. I hadn't seen your comment about IBM and the Nazis you posted to Smokin' Joe, only after I posted something similar.

Great minds think alike!

Thanks, Sunkenciv

33 posted on 03/09/2013 1:14:18 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: Timber Rattler

Hey Joe Friday!

Read my tag line!


34 posted on 03/09/2013 1:18:40 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Is there any reason to think that Microsoft is any different?

The sad reality is that “progressives” control essentially all the major internet activity.


35 posted on 03/09/2013 1:23:53 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: lbryce

;’) Must have had that same set of punches on our cards.


36 posted on 03/09/2013 1:24:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: First_Salute

Just FYI, Ghostery works and is much easier to use.


37 posted on 03/09/2013 1:48:11 PM PST by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Windflier
I made Bing my default search engine a long time ago, based upon information I gathered from knowledgeable Freepers. In my view, it's every bit as good as Google.
Awesome. I like it too ;)
38 posted on 03/09/2013 4:48:15 PM PST by Scutter
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To: Scutter

I love Startpage. No garbage and proxy serching if you want it. https://www.startpage.com/eng/

FReeper recommended.


39 posted on 03/09/2013 4:54:18 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Silver Sabre
Hopefully this is no surprise to anyone.

No, I am well aware google collects 'my' information for the government overlords and do my best to thwart the effort.

40 posted on 03/09/2013 5:56:32 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Chickensoup

With Startpage you still have a Google search, which can be biased in the direction Google wants.

Instead use ixquick. https://ixquick.com/ It is the world’s most private search engine.

It works great. I have been using it for a decade now and would never trust Google to give me unbiased results.

Privacy is not enough. You also want results that are not twisted to support any particular entity.


41 posted on 03/09/2013 7:05:22 PM PST by helpfulresearcher (Socialism is just like any other form of corruption, except that it is perpetrated by a mob.)
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To: helpfulresearcher

Don’t forget duckduckgo! It’s another “no tracking” alternative to Google.


42 posted on 03/09/2013 7:59:39 PM PST by Cato in PA (Land of the free and the home of the brave? Wrong on both counts.)
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To: Gen.Blather

The key question here is are the “search criteria” justified for legitimate national security purposes (and also well defined), and are those who get this information responsible and smart enough to properly evaluate it (and properly safeguard it from abuse).

As one who worked on an Organized Crime Task Force data project, and a terrorism prosecution, I have seen great FBI (and other govt security agencies) surveillance work - right on target for the case objectives. That was then, this is now.

I wouldn’t trust Att. Gen. Eric Holder to read my junk mail, nor most of his high level asskissing flunkies. What I’m worried about is whether FBI director Mueller has the balls to “say no” to Holder when he wants to go on his political witchhunts against conservatives.

I do not have much faith that this will happen. It is not the FBI that I knew and worked with in the past, and that included several Assistant Directors who I briefed or had as friends.

The biggest problem is what does the FBI have on Obama’s friends who are communists and/or supporters of foreign dictators, and whether this information is kept or has been destroyed.

Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) tried to destroy House Internal Security Committee files back in the 70’s, and Ted Kennedy tried it in the Senate for SISS files. Don’t think that the Left and now Jihadist sympathizers in Congress don’t want to destroy internal security information. They do, and they will try.

The question is whether Mueller can fight them off, esp. if Holder and company demand that they do so.

The same applies to military intell gathered in Iraq and Afghanistan. There has been at least one coverup of CBW materials captured in Iraq during the war because I know who found them and approximately where. Saddam was prepared for chemical warfare against American troops. Fortunately this never happened.

Intelligence is a very misunderstood field of warfare and counterwarfare/counter-subversion, etc. If done properly, it can make all the difference in the world as to whether you win or lose. Mishandled or bungled and you get 9/11 (FBI mid-level administrations fucked that one up good).

In the wrong political hands (anyone in the Obama administation), and it could have disasterous consequences against patriotic Americans.

That is what has to be guarded against. Rand Paul is looking better to me every minute that goes by. John McCain and Goober don’t. That, in itself, is an American tragedy.

The Obama regime is the “American tragedy” of all times.


43 posted on 03/09/2013 10:20:55 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Chickensoup

Startpage is just a thin wrapper over Google. I’m not contributing anything to Google.


44 posted on 03/10/2013 12:07:52 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: lbryce; Smokin' Joe; SunkenCiv
You know, IBM sold the Nazis a system in which to keep the trains to the concentration camps running efficiently. There was a book about it written in the 80’s and IBM admitted to it happening.

While your statement may be literally true, I believe it is highly misleading. The formalization of "the final solution" took place on 20 January 1942 at the Wannsee Conference, a month and a half after the United States entry into the war. While many Jews had been executed before that date, there was no systematic effort to eradicate the Jewish people until after that conference, and thus no need for train schedules to ship Jews to extermination camps which did not exist prior to that point in time.

I don't believe that IBM sold or would have been permitted to sell anything to Nazi Germany after they had declared war on the US.

It is certainly possible that IBM may have sold Germany such a system before we were at war with them, but that is far different from what you intimated with your comment.

45 posted on 03/10/2013 8:38:44 PM PDT by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: rmh47

IBM sold the system to Germany before the war, and it greatly facilitated the Holocaust because it made the big roundups a lot simpler. The prewar Jewish population in Germany was a fraction that of Poland’s, and the occupation of Poland was a necessity from the standpoint of carrying out the mass murders. Himmler said, “Polish Jewry is the genetic powerhouse of European Jewry.”


46 posted on 03/11/2013 4:23:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Nazi government used punch cards from IBM Hollerith machines that were supplied by IBM's German subsidiary. Here is the statement from IBM, which puts the matter is a somewhat different perspective, at least for me:

“It has been known for decades that the Nazis used Hollerith equipment and that IBM's German subsidiary during the 1930s — Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag) — supplied Hollerith equipment. As with hundreds of foreign-owned companies that did business in Germany at that time, Dehomag came under the control of Nazi authorities prior to and during World War II. It is also widely known that Thomas J. Watson, Sr., received and subsequently repudiated and returned a medal presented to him by the German government for his role in global economic relations.”

47 posted on 03/11/2013 8:57:18 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: helpfulresearcher

With Startpage you still have a Google search, which can be biased in the direction Google wants.

Instead use ixquick. https://ixquick.com/ It is the world’s most private search engine.

It works great. I have been using it for a decade now and would never trust Google to give me unbiased results.

Privacy is not enough. You also want results that are not twisted to support any particular entity.
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Both use Google. Look at both sites and I think you will find that Startpage is the proxy site. I may be wrong.


48 posted on 03/12/2013 5:17:29 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: helpfulresearcher
"With Startpage you still have a Google search, which can be biased in the direction Google wants. Instead use ixquick. https://ixquick.com/ It is the world’s most private search engine."

Interesting from Ixquick page:

"Ixquick was developed and launched in 1998 by David Bodnick in New York. In the year 2000, it was acquired by Surfboard Holding B.V, a privately held Dutch corporation whose only activities are operating Ixquick and Startpage."

49 posted on 03/12/2013 4:30:11 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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