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Ten Neo-Confederate Myths
March 9, 2013 | vanity

Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK

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This list is gleaned from many Civil War related threads. It's in no particular sequence. Tried hard to keep answers short, so sources, links and quotes are available as needed...
1 posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK
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2 posted on 03/10/2013 8:26:34 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: BroJoeK

You’re a brave man. The replies should be interesting. I’ve always thought the Secession declarations were pretty damning.


3 posted on 03/10/2013 8:26:55 AM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: BroJoeK

4 posted on 03/10/2013 8:30:45 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: BroJoeK
I am not interested in re-fighting the first American Civil War.
I am not interested in discussing the slavery of black Americans.

I will say this: States Rights are an important concept. Somewhere along the line, the federal government decided that it was everybody's boss, and that is a shame.

5 posted on 03/10/2013 8:32:21 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: BroJoeK

+1


6 posted on 03/10/2013 8:33:09 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: BroJoeK

I can’t see that this is the entire story. It doesn’t fit with all the things that were going on at the time and this is a bad rap on the South.


7 posted on 03/10/2013 8:33:35 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: BroJoeK

lol Did you get up this morning, and just feel like starting a fight?

This thread is gonna be a good one! lol


8 posted on 03/10/2013 8:37:55 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: BroJoeK

Whatever the reasons, there is no doubt that the formation of the Confederacy was once the greatest domestic threat to the well being of the United States. Today the greatest threat is the Democratic Party.


9 posted on 03/10/2013 8:41:28 AM PDT by allendale
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To: BroJoeK

Talk about being PC, the South wouldn’t allow the presence of abolitionist literature, c.f. the trial of Reuben Crandall, M.D. in the District of Columbia.


10 posted on 03/10/2013 8:43:44 AM PDT by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: MestaMachine
It doesn’t fit with all the things that were going on at the time...

How so?

11 posted on 03/10/2013 8:44:33 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: BroJoeK
Thoughts of the time.


12 posted on 03/10/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: BroJoeK
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13 posted on 03/10/2013 8:46:28 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: BroJoeK

we will try to get it right this time....

....actually I look toward the Declaration of Independence(no, you are right, it is not a current legal document) to determine the best way to protect the most important aspects of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.

no statement on secession is necessary in the constitution, if you have reached the point to reissue the Declaration of Independence.

MOLON LABE!!


14 posted on 03/10/2013 8:46:44 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: BroJoeK

Someone please show me the official documents or discussions concerning doing away with slavery that caused the south to succeed. The south did not just leave the union because of slavery.


15 posted on 03/10/2013 8:46:46 AM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: MestaMachine
... and this is a bad rap on the South.

While we're used to getting a "bad rap" in the South, it really is quite old and tiresome.

You wouldn't know it by the "ignorant southerner" stereotypes hurled at us, but slavery was abolished close to 150 years ago, and--news flash to the slavery-obsessed!!--black people are actually free in the South, and they're treated quite well here.

16 posted on 03/10/2013 8:46:49 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina

More divide and conquer. People need to learn history. Seriously.


17 posted on 03/10/2013 8:49:05 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: allendale
Whatever the reasons, there is no doubt that the formation of the Confederacy was once the greatest domestic threat to the well being of the United States. Today the greatest threat is the Democratic Party.

I like it...

18 posted on 03/10/2013 8:49:46 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Dysart

LOL! Perfect first reply.


19 posted on 03/10/2013 8:51:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MestaMachine

Yep, and yep!


20 posted on 03/10/2013 8:52:04 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Dysart

Oh goodie... we haven’t had a good ole’ North vs South fight.. uh, discussion for a while now. Making a fresh pot of coffee!


21 posted on 03/10/2013 8:53:01 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think the bigger hit came in the progressive era of the 1910’s when senator selection was modified (yes by amendment but it lessened state power) and the tax amendment which reached into the states to the individual as well (I think prior the feds had to rely on the states largesse more). The final straw came with the interstate commerce case in the 1930s when the supremes overstepped in order to placate FDR.


22 posted on 03/10/2013 8:53:02 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: BroJoeK

Pennsylvania?

OK

It is silly to refight a bloody war when we are facing the biggest threat to the survival of the nation. Obozo and his band of Marxists are that threat.

One of my ancestors was born in TX during the Republic. Others came to Texas because they were burned out of AL during Reconstruction for resisting abuse of Federal occupation. They voted with their feet and went GTT (Gone to Texas).

Sam Houston refused to take Texas out of the Union during the Civil War and was reidiculed for doing so.

But if you think that blink obediance to the current Rogue Federal Government is the solution, YOU ARE WRONG.

Do you own guns? We do. And they have a purpose higher than for hunting.


23 posted on 03/10/2013 8:53:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: WXRGina

Instead of being obsessed with their past, those of African roots should be pouring their time and money into spreading the Gospel in Africa.


24 posted on 03/10/2013 8:54:19 AM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: WXRGina

That is the ironic truth. Many African-Americans are shunning Northern urban areas and there has been a well documented “reverse migration” return to the South. Also wasn’t too long ago that Northern blacks referred to the South as “back home.” Politically correct tales serve agendas, but rarely correlate with reality.


25 posted on 03/10/2013 8:55:00 AM PDT by allendale
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To: Ecliptic

Yes, that would be excellent.


26 posted on 03/10/2013 8:55:38 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Ditto

Placement and cost of the national capitol. The national debt and its ‘fair share’. Among other things. Politics didn’t just start today.


27 posted on 03/10/2013 8:55:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: BroJoeK

Yankee defenders here used to be so much smarter. I’ve tangled with the best ones and this post is amateur.


28 posted on 03/10/2013 8:56:10 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: allendale

I’ve long heard from people who have lived around the U.S. that blacks are treated much better in the South than in the North and other “non-South” states. Hmmmmm...


29 posted on 03/10/2013 8:57:23 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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In this “list”, I don’t see where the UNFAIR TARIFFS or the opening of the flood gates to immigrants in the 1830’s were mentioned.

Oh, they were DISCONNECTED from the issue, right?

I think not. Northern industries found out that immigrants were cheaper than slaves, so they opened up the flood gates and let bunches in. You could pay them pennies a day and let THEM feed themselves, cloth themselves, house themselves, etc.etc.

But only after they loaded your “16 Tons.”


30 posted on 03/10/2013 9:01:11 AM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslymz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: BroJoeK
In fact, neither out-going President Buchanan nor incoming President Lincoln did anything to stop secessionists from declaring independence and forming a new Confederacy. And Buchanan did nothing to stop secessionists from unlawfully seizing Federal properties or threatening and shooting at Federal officials. Nor did Lincoln, until after the Confederacy started war at Fort Sumter (April 12, 1861) and then formally declared war on the United States, May 6, 1861.

Moronic on its face. How does the Union "do nothing to stop independence" and yet still lay claim to military forts in South Carolina, and defend them with soldiers, months after South Carolina declared independence? This alone shows the list to be farcical at best.

31 posted on 03/10/2013 9:02:13 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Dysart

That is funny as hell. Well Played!


32 posted on 03/10/2013 9:02:42 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: stainlessbanner

I guess for the sake of discussion, maybe it would be better to point out precisely where the OP is wrong. What did he say that is a blatant falsehood?


33 posted on 03/10/2013 9:02:49 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: BroJoeK

We are all slaves of the federal apparatus now
Honest Apes legacy is all around us
Cant wait to see it come crashing down
The 2nd American Republic will not allow universal suffrage and exclude territories occupied by marxists and large cities comprised of parasites


34 posted on 03/10/2013 9:04:11 AM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: BroJoeK

Well, let’s not get wrapped up in a blanket of Yankee self-righteousness. We should remember that slavery existed in the North as well as in the South, and that there was still a small number of slaves in New Jersey as late as 1860.

You have to wonder why Yankees hold the South in such comtempt, yet continue to flood down here like locusts, bringing their destructive liberal ways with them and stripping the stores and delis of pastrami.

Oh, well. Southerners will do what we always do when confronted with Yankees who think they know it all. We’ll laugh at you and make fun of you behind your backs.


35 posted on 03/10/2013 9:05:12 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Texas Fossil

I agree

when the civil war(war between the states, war of northern aggression,etc) was going on, my forebears were either bending spaghetti or boiling potatoes...so I had no horse in that race.

suffice it to say(very simply) ....Slavery Bad....States Rights Good.

I vacillate between whether or not the 1861-1865 debacle was necessary or not. But I know one thing. the current regime is a threat to the Constitution and America.... and it most be blocked or stopped or overcome in whatever way necessary. those who can not see that at this time are either blind, stupid, or brainwashed.

hopefully we can do this by blocking the POS in the whitehouse at every turn, and not resort to a less peaceful method.


36 posted on 03/10/2013 9:05:16 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: momtothree

Indeed. A good CW debate is a delightful way to start any lazy Sunday.


37 posted on 03/10/2013 9:05:19 AM PDT by Dysart
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To: humblegunner

Yours is the simplest and best reply of all.

Deo Vindice!


38 posted on 03/10/2013 9:07:55 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: BroJoeK

I don’t agree with the conclusions of the author in 5,6 or 7. I believe the others are correct for the most part.


39 posted on 03/10/2013 9:08:35 AM PDT by dinoparty
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Written by a yankee liberal. Full of more poop than a christmas goose.

Since yankee liberals HATE the South so much, then why not just go ahead a not oppose secession?


40 posted on 03/10/2013 9:09:48 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Teacher317
No one, including the author from what I can tell, is asserting that the Union "do nothing to stop independence" after the illegal secession. It was Lincoln's hope that cooler heads would prevail and the errant states return to the fold.

The fire-eaters however had only war on their minds.

Why wouldn't the Union defend those forts, etc? After all they were the property of the federal US government.

41 posted on 03/10/2013 9:10:46 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Because The U.S. did not recognize the independence of S. Carolina and thus had no obligation to just leave federal forts. Yeah, some group met in Charleston and just said “see ya”, but that is not “independence” no more than what happened in Philadelphia in 1776.

The feds did not stop these people from declaring whatever they wanted. But it didn’t mean they had to play along.


42 posted on 03/10/2013 9:10:55 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: BroJoeK

Hugo Chavez was a great humanitarian and saviour of the Venezuelan people. He died leaving a country that was greatly equalized with opportunity for all.

IF you want to know the truth about something—NEVER ask a twit professor of scatology masquerading as history. The people who actually were there, their families, the stakeholders.

Let’s take the logical conclusions from these “results”, and fast forward into the 1900’s and to today. You have buttinsky Progressive BS from the get go. And obamaumao is Abe Lincoln. Got news— he suuuure is. Statists of the World, Unite.


43 posted on 03/10/2013 9:12:42 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: BroJoeK

I generally agree with the thrust and tone of this post, but as far as pillaging goes, even Lee’s worst critics admit his army never caused any unnecessary harm or damage and never took more than they could use. They were driven by necessity, not wantonness. Sherman intended to inflict harm and damage to bring the Confederacy to its knees. The Confederate armies avoided contact with the Union forces as much as possible after Gettysburg, they were trying to wear down resolve in the North. Sherman and Grant’s strategy was to force the Confederate armies to confront them or face ruin. In the end they got both.


44 posted on 03/10/2013 9:16:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Dysart

The Threadnaught has cleared the harbor. Full steam ahead.


45 posted on 03/10/2013 9:19:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: WXRGina

Racism has always been practiced more intensely in liberal states. Maintaining rigid welfare ghettos, restricting economic opportunity to minorities, and installing race baiting politicians are common practices in liberal northern states.


46 posted on 03/10/2013 9:21:38 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thank You! The Eyes of Texas. “The gallant Hood of Texas played Hell in Tennessee”


47 posted on 03/10/2013 9:26:17 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: rockrr
No one, including the author from what I can tell, is asserting that the Union "do nothing to stop independence"

Do you not read? I copied the quote from the article above. I'll post it again, just to help you out...

In fact, neither out-going President Buchanan nor incoming President Lincoln did anything to stop secessionists from declaring independence and forming a new Confederacy

Look up above. It's Reason #5 up there, and incorporated into 2 other Reasons.

48 posted on 03/10/2013 9:27:30 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

‘Minority’ professional athletes have frequently named Boston, ground zero for the liberalism bomb destroying America, as the most racist city they visit.


49 posted on 03/10/2013 9:28:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: stainlessbanner
stainlessbanner: "Yankee defenders here used to be so much smarter.
I’ve tangled with the best ones and this post is amateur."

That's odd, I was just going to say the same about our Pro-Confederate posters these days... ;-)

50 posted on 03/10/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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