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Ten Neo-Confederate Myths
March 9, 2013 | vanity

Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK

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To: Teacher317
No one, including the author from what I can tell, is asserting that the Union "do nothing to stop independence" after the illegal secession. It was Lincoln's hope that cooler heads would prevail and the errant states return to the fold.

The fire-eaters however had only war on their minds.

Why wouldn't the Union defend those forts, etc? After all they were the property of the federal US government.

41 posted on 03/10/2013 9:10:46 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Teacher317

Because The U.S. did not recognize the independence of S. Carolina and thus had no obligation to just leave federal forts. Yeah, some group met in Charleston and just said “see ya”, but that is not “independence” no more than what happened in Philadelphia in 1776.

The feds did not stop these people from declaring whatever they wanted. But it didn’t mean they had to play along.


42 posted on 03/10/2013 9:10:55 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: BroJoeK

Hugo Chavez was a great humanitarian and saviour of the Venezuelan people. He died leaving a country that was greatly equalized with opportunity for all.

IF you want to know the truth about something—NEVER ask a twit professor of scatology masquerading as history. The people who actually were there, their families, the stakeholders.

Let’s take the logical conclusions from these “results”, and fast forward into the 1900’s and to today. You have buttinsky Progressive BS from the get go. And obamaumao is Abe Lincoln. Got news— he suuuure is. Statists of the World, Unite.


43 posted on 03/10/2013 9:12:42 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: BroJoeK

I generally agree with the thrust and tone of this post, but as far as pillaging goes, even Lee’s worst critics admit his army never caused any unnecessary harm or damage and never took more than they could use. They were driven by necessity, not wantonness. Sherman intended to inflict harm and damage to bring the Confederacy to its knees. The Confederate armies avoided contact with the Union forces as much as possible after Gettysburg, they were trying to wear down resolve in the North. Sherman and Grant’s strategy was to force the Confederate armies to confront them or face ruin. In the end they got both.


44 posted on 03/10/2013 9:16:40 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Dysart

The Threadnaught has cleared the harbor. Full steam ahead.


45 posted on 03/10/2013 9:19:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: WXRGina

Racism has always been practiced more intensely in liberal states. Maintaining rigid welfare ghettos, restricting economic opportunity to minorities, and installing race baiting politicians are common practices in liberal northern states.


46 posted on 03/10/2013 9:21:38 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thank You! The Eyes of Texas. “The gallant Hood of Texas played Hell in Tennessee”


47 posted on 03/10/2013 9:26:17 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: rockrr
No one, including the author from what I can tell, is asserting that the Union "do nothing to stop independence"

Do you not read? I copied the quote from the article above. I'll post it again, just to help you out...

In fact, neither out-going President Buchanan nor incoming President Lincoln did anything to stop secessionists from declaring independence and forming a new Confederacy

Look up above. It's Reason #5 up there, and incorporated into 2 other Reasons.

48 posted on 03/10/2013 9:27:30 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

‘Minority’ professional athletes have frequently named Boston, ground zero for the liberalism bomb destroying America, as the most racist city they visit.


49 posted on 03/10/2013 9:28:07 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: stainlessbanner
stainlessbanner: "Yankee defenders here used to be so much smarter.
I’ve tangled with the best ones and this post is amateur."

That's odd, I was just going to say the same about our Pro-Confederate posters these days... ;-)

50 posted on 03/10/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Racism has always been practiced more intensely in liberal states. Maintaining rigid welfare ghettos, restricting economic opportunity to minorities, and installing race baiting politicians are common practices in liberal northern states.

Sooooo, ironic, isn't it?

51 posted on 03/10/2013 9:31:58 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Teacher317

Of course I read - but do you think? Would you feeeeeeeeeeel better if Lincoln had immediately set out to crush the treasonous rebellion instead of first attempting peaceful solutions?


52 posted on 03/10/2013 9:33:33 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: WXRGina; Louis Foxwell

I know - right? Like all those Jim Crow laws that the north passed...oh wait.


53 posted on 03/10/2013 9:35:32 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
I know - right? Like all those Jim Crow laws that the north passed...oh wait.

Again, we are talking about today. Today. Not decades ago, when racist Democrats passed such laws that are now history. History.

54 posted on 03/10/2013 9:37:47 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

State rights like Jim Crow?

We have Federal rights, not state rights. A state cannot ban guns for instance.


55 posted on 03/10/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: WXRGina

Jim Crow can come back if we allow states to take away rights guaranteed by the Constitution.


56 posted on 03/10/2013 9:40:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: BroJoeK

Even if all of this is true — and for the most part, it’s just revisionist bunk — the next Civil War WILL be about states’ rights. And if it’s about slavery, it will be about American citizens refusing to become slaves.


57 posted on 03/10/2013 9:40:20 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Vaquero

Many Americans simply would not exist if the country had not suffered the tragic irreplaceable genetic losses between 1861-1865. Over 600,00 killed outright and probably an equal number so damaged as never to procreate again. Many of the lineal descendants of the original Americans were obliterated. The country was forced to open the immigration gates to Eastern and Southern Europeans to restock and provide the manpower necessary for the industrial revolution. The irony is that today, in the Northeastern states the descendants of those immigrants clearly outnumber and dominate the descendants of those who served in the Civil War and had those passionate arguments. Sic transit omnia.


58 posted on 03/10/2013 9:40:55 AM PDT by allendale
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To: CatherineofAragon
You have to wonder why Yankees hold the South in such comtempt, yet continue to flood down here like locusts

I've often wonder about that! They come here because they like it better, the people are so nice... then, the first thing they do is they try to tell us how we should do things, how they did it up North. Don't they realize they are trying to turn the South into exactly the same quagmire they are escaping?

59 posted on 03/10/2013 9:43:09 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: ConradofMontferrat
ConradoMontferrat: "In this “list”, I don’t see where the UNFAIR TARIFFS or the opening of the flood gates to immigrants in the 1830’s were mentioned."

In item #1 above, I posted a link to the "Declarations of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify Secession from the Federal Union".

If you will read those, or even do a quick word search, you'll find that neither tariffs nor immigration are even mentioned, much less treated as major items of complaint.

ConradoMontrerrat: "Northern industries found out that immigrants were cheaper than slaves, so they opened up the flood gates and let bunches in."

In fact, seeds for the death of slavery first began when poorer northern & western voters realized that slaves could be trained to do their work and take away their jobs -- jobs which, then as now, were the highest paying in the world.
This is why by 1860, they insisted there must be no further expansion of slavery into states or territories which didn't want it.

60 posted on 03/10/2013 9:43:40 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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